How many Commandments has GW broken?

[DNCAttackDog]

Opinions?

[DeathMonkey]

All Ten?

Heres an interesting website I found while Googling:

http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_10co.htm

You can also test yourself to see how many of the Ten you have broken here, and be chided by Kirk Cameron. How nice!

www.thewayofthemaster.com

and free stuff!
http://www.christianityfreebies.com/index.cfm?AID=22&new=yes

That said, lets see!

1)Thou shalt have no other Gods - GW obviously worships money first. Sorry, GW!
2)....Lords name in vain - Hell, any time GW says "God told me to" its in vain.
3) Graven Images - Ah, that Ol American Flag. Its true. Also, his Skull and Bones ring.
4) Sabbath - Not really supposed to break on Commandment (thou shalt not kill) on the Sabbath. Ouch! Thats another one broked.
5) Honor the Mother and Father - By attacking Iraq, he tacitly implies that Big Bush didnt do the job right the first time. Naughty boy, GW, thats a sin!
6)Thou shalt not kill - whether as Gov o "Fry em" Texas or Lunatic In Command, Ol GW is a bloodthirsty Sumbyotch.
7) Adultery - We'll, its adultery if he's f%&king the country....
8) Stealing - Allowing others to steal (Halliburton, Enron etc), as well as trying to steal Iraqs oil.
9) False Witness - Yikes! For all you "Bush never technically lied" folk ("I think we need to define what 'is' is...), all ya need is "Rumsfeld is doing a great job, and America owes you a debt of gratitude". All lies.
10) Coveting - Well, Iraq, a place in History, his neighbors pension fund, insurance kickbacks, his neighbors wetlands....

Thats all 10, kids! What a fine Christian our President is! Remeber, repentance is the key to salvation. I'll bet he's opting for the deathbed confession.

[DNCAttackDog]

Excellent post, DM! Very good analysis. :clap: :clap: :clap:

By the way, I checked on Kirk Cameron's site myself (thewayofthemaster.com), and guess what it says about adultery:

If you ever had premarital sex, or even simply "lusted after" someone else, it is "as though you have committed adultery with her." Wow! Sounds like I should be bragging some more... :laughter:

Sounds to me like the deathbed confession is the only option this clown's got left. Repent, George, repent.

[bratt]

1)Thou shalt have no other Gods - GW obviously worships money first. Sorry, GW!
2)....Lords name in vain - Hell, any time GW says "God told me to" its in vain.
3) Graven Images - Ah, that Ol American Flag. Its true. Also, his Skull and Bones ring.
4) Sabbath - Not really supposed to break on Commandment (thou shalt not kill) on the Sabbath. Ouch! Thats another one broked.
5) Honor the Mother and Father - By attacking Iraq, he tacitly implies that Big Bush didnt do the job right the first time. Naughty boy, GW, thats a sin!
6)Thou shalt not kill - whether as Gov o "Fry em" Texas or Lunatic In Command, Ol GW is a bloodthirsty Sumbyotch.
7) Adultery - We'll, its adultery if he's f%&king the country....
8) Stealing - Allowing others to steal (Halliburton, Enron etc), as well as trying to steal Iraqs oil.
9) False Witness - Yikes! For all you "Bush never technically lied" folk ("I think we need to define what 'is' is...), all ya need is "Rumsfeld is doing a great job, and America owes you a debt of gratitude". All lies.
10) Coveting - Well, Iraq, a place in History, his neighbors pension fund, insurance kickbacks, his neighbors wetlands....

Thats all 10, kids! What a fine Christian our President is! Remeber, repentance is the key to salvation. I'll bet he's opting for the deathbed confession.

LOL :lol: :lol: :clap: :D

That was absolutely perfect :devil:

[eugene40]

A very good post DM all very true and even lacking in some,,but you hit the nail on the head,,,, but you lack the vision of the right,,, and I think I got it, and it explains all the reasons for breaking them.... cause ya see when "jesus" made him president he got a pass on all sins,,,, and because "jesus" counsels him constantly,, he is doing god's work and thus free of all sin.

[cpwill]

:rolleyes:

[TheGreyGhost]

0/Zero?

[DNCAttackDog]

0/Zero?
"For we have all sinned, and come short of the glory of God." (I'll let cpwill or Patriot supply the chapter and verse for that one.)

[cpwill]

Romans; not sure of the chapter, but its' early on, 3-5.

how many of the commandments has bush broken? i don't know and neither do you. probably several, as we all have (as dncattackdog was kind enough to point out), however, the reasons and conditions listed above were rather rediculous, and a to seriously pursue this line of thought signifies that one is not actually interested in theological honesty at all, but rather political attack; which, therefore, invalidates much of its punch.

[DeathMonkey]

To be fair, according to Kirk Cameron, we have all broken all of them as well.

[DNCAttackDog]

...to seriously pursue this line of thought signifies that one is not actually interested in theological honesty at all, but rather political attack; which, therefore, invalidates much of its punch.
"Theological honesty?" Isn't that an oxymoron? :D

[cpwill]

no but you are ever more convincing me that liberal religion is.

[DNCAttackDog]

In all seriousness, though....

Mr. Bush has used his "Christianity" as a significant portion of his political campaign strategy over the years. That being the case, it's perfectly justified to criticize him (politically and otherwise) for failing to practice what he says he believes, isn't it?

[Achilles]

Romans; not sure of the chapter, but its' early on, 3-5.

how many of the commandments has bush broken? i don't know and neither do you. probably several, as we all have (as dncattackdog was kind enough to point out), however, the reasons and conditions listed above were rather rediculous, and a to seriously pursue this line of thought signifies that one is not actually interested in theological honesty at all, but rather political attack; which, therefore, invalidates much of its punch.good points...

[ranger]

In all seriousness, though....

Mr. Bush has used his "Christianity" as a significant portion of his political campaign strategy over the years. That being the case, it's perfectly justified to criticize him (politically and otherwise) for failing to practice what he says he believes, isn't it?
Sure, but you can't make other believers think any less of him for being a sinner. As you pointed out, we are all sinners. We all fail to practice what we believe on a very regular basis. We do keep trying to do better though.

[Patriot]

"For we have all sinned, and come short of the glory of God." (I'll let cpwill or Patriot supply the chapter and verse for that one.)

Romans 3:23.

It's not his sins that is important, it's whether he 1) has faith in Christ and 2) repented of those sins.

[Patriot]

In all seriousness, though....

Mr. Bush has used his "Christianity" as a significant portion of his political campaign strategy over the years. That being the case, it's perfectly justified to criticize him (politically and otherwise) for failing to practice what he says he believes, isn't it?

A valid point. However, it's only your opinion he hasn't practiced what he believes. I believe he has.

Second, using your acid test, Kerry cleary is Catholic in name only.

[eugene40]

Second, using your acid test, Kerry cleary is Catholic in name only.[/QUOTE]

Good,, cause if he was a true catholic i wouldn't vote for him either.

[Kana]

Though Shalt Not Covet Thy Neighbor's Oil!

[cpwill]

:rolleyes: if we're going to war for oil; we would have invaded canada or venezuala, not iraq.

furthermore, if we were going to war for oil, then why the heck are oil prices at 2 bucks a gallon??? where's my cheap oil????:mad:

:lol:, seriously, kana, the war-for-oil thing has been debunked a fair number of times;)

that's why many of the hate-bush crowd these days are starting to go in for the judeo-fundamentalist christian conspiracy theories these days.

[MikeD4o7]

if we're going to war for oil; we would have invaded canada or venezuala, not iraq.

furthermore, if we were going to war for oil, then why the heck are oil prices at 2 bucks a gallon??? where's my cheap oil????

, seriously, kana, the war-for-oil thing has been debunked a fair number of times

that's why many of the hate-bush crowd these days are starting to go in for the judeo-fundamentalist christian conspiracy theories these days.


Is it really that ridiculous to think that US would want to have more control in Iraq's oil production and distribution? It's obviously advantageous for us to have more control of any oil supply in the world.. especially one as significant as Iraq's. Having more control doesn't mean we have to be going over there and taking it out of the wells and sending it over to the US directly. It could be as simple as getting rid of a competitor's supplier... or opening up the oil in Iraq for worldwide sale to lessen the Saudi's stranglehold on the market. Really there are any number of advantages oil-wise to the US concerning getting rid of Saddam... it's not conspiracy theory, it's common sense.

The reasons to invade Iraq instead of Canada or Venezuela are too obvious to even bother typing out.

Also Oil is an inelastic commodity... the price wouldn't necessarily drop because it doesn't have to in order to sell the same amount of oil... That being said, I think you're right that if Bush's plan was to go to Iraq for strategic oil advantages... it definitely hasn't paid off yet, but it might once and if Iraq ever gets stabalized and gets it's oil industry really pumping.

[Patriot]

Though Shalt Not Covet Thy Neighbor's Oil!

Unless it's used to buy off the UN and support terrorism.

[cpwill]

Is it really that ridiculous to think that US would want to have more control in Iraq's oil production and distribution?

:rolleyes: and if we'd just wanted saddam's oil then we would have dropped the sanctions like everyone else wanted us to do and made a butload of money doing it without the cost of a war and a prolounged occupation. the war-for-oil is a pretty theory and seems very handy; but it doesn't hold up under inspection.

[DNCAttackDog]

Okay, getting back on topic, here....

Sure, but you can't make other believers think any less of him for being a sinner. As you pointed out, we are all sinners. We all fail to practice what we believe on a very regular basis. We do keep trying to do better though.
As a believer, don't you consider some sins to be "worse" than others? Particularly if you don't actually repent and try to do better, but simply pay lip service to the trappings of your belief?

[cpwill]

depends, there are differing thoughts on this. some theology's hold that some sins are worse than others, whereas some theology's hold that one sin is as bad as another; all ultimately are separation from God.

however, we are all still sinners and it's not like we can therefore judge each other (as you so badly want to do) on this issue. only God can do that.

[MikeD4o7]

however, we are all still sinners and it's not like we can therefore judge each other (as you so badly want to do) on this issue. only God can do that.


So does that put you in the camp with me that believe that prisons and the criminal justice system should ONLY be used to remove dangers from society, and that the motivation for any sentence should not be based on a punishment factor, but rather on what is necessary to keep society safe from them?

[Kana]

sar·casm ( P ) Pronunciation Key (särkzm)
n.
A cutting, often ironic remark intended to wound.
A form of wit that is marked by the use of sarcastic language and is intended to make its victim the butt of contempt or ridicule.
The use of sarcasm. See Synonyms at wit1.

[DeathMonkey]

sar·casm ( P ) Pronunciation Key (särkzm)
n.
A cutting, often ironic remark intended to wound.
A form of wit that is marked by the use of sarcastic language and is intended to make its victim the butt of contempt or ridicule.
The use of sarcasm. See Synonyms at wit1.

Clumsy high five for that one.

[DNCAttackDog]

however, we are all still sinners and it's not like we can therefore judge each other (as you so badly want to do) on this issue. only God can do that.
Then why confess your sins to anyone? All other people, including priests and their counterparts, are sinners, and therefore - according to you, anyway - have no power to judge you or forgive you. Of course, it's not necessary to confess anything to God, who presumably knows all about it anyway.

Think before you preach. :thinking:

[MikeD4o7]

Then why confess your sins to anyone? All other people, including priests and their counterparts, are sinners, and therefore - according to you, anyway - have no power to judge you or forgive you. Of course, it's not necessary to confess anything to God, who presumably knows all about it anyway.


I don't think that methodists do have a formal form of confession where they confess to a priest or something along those lines... that's mainly just catholocism.

[barciad]

Okay, lets seen then:-
"Thy shall worship one God and only one God." Seeing as Mammon is the Republican party emblem, well that is that one sorted.
Thy shalt not be a pikey [whatever] and teeth other peoples stuff. Enough said really. Well you (and us) have been doing that for the past 500 years, so nothing really changes there.
I don't know the rest of the commandments, but I can be sure killing people willy-nilly was on it somewhere. Apart from that, I'm out.

[barciad]

Got another one. Doesn't "baring false witness" mean lying? Pardon me whilst I drop off my chair in a fit of uncontrolled, potentially fatal, hysterics. I'm just saying nothing on this one, no even "no comment". Just too much I could say, but it is just not even worth it anymore.

[Simon666]

:rolleyes: and if we'd just wanted saddam's oil then we would have dropped the sanctions like everyone else wanted us to do and made a butload of money doing it without the cost of a war and a prolounged occupation.
Politically not feasible, the US already was buying a lot of Iraq's oil and it didn't give them control nor contracts for US firms such as, say, Halliburton.

[willieboy31]

President Bush broke zero
Clinton broke them all

[DNCAttackDog]

President Bush broke zero
Forgotten Romans 3:23 already? :(

[Ronnieraygun]

"For we have all sinned, and come short of the glory of God." (I'll let cpwill or Patriot supply the chapter and verse for that one.)




John 8;7-11

7But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her." 8Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.
9At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. 10Jesus straightened up and asked her, "Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?"
11"No one, sir," she said.
"Then neither do I condemn you," Jesus declared. "Go now and leave your life of sin."

Often misquoted, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

You seem to be quite selective in regard to quoting scripture. I will be happy to fill in the gaps for you. :)

[DNCAttackDog]

John 8;7-11



Often misquoted, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

You seem to be quite selective in regard to quoting scripture. I will be happy to fill in the gaps for you. :)
I have yet to come across anyone who doesn't quote scripture "selectively" (if they quote it at all). :D

[willieboy31]

I have yet to come across anyone who doesn't quote scripture "selectively" (if they quote it at all).


Is this an admission at last? Have a blessed day, dog.

[Ronnieraygun]

I have yet to come across anyone who doesn't quote scripture "selectively" (if they quote it at all).


Is this an admission at last? Have a blessed day, dog.


My point exactly...

Selective quotes from the scripture can be for constructive purposes. There are many who do this to suit their own needs. The passage I quoted tells of a group of people who sited the word of God to use against Jesus, and Jesus turned it back on them.

[DNCAttackDog]

My point exactly...

Selective quotes from the scripture can be for constructive purposes. There are many who do this to suit their own needs. The passage I quoted tells of a group of people who sited the word of God to use against Jesus, and Jesus turned it back on them.
And who defines what's "constructive?" :thinking:

Personally, I would have loved to play scriptural ping-pong with Jesus: I'll bet we could have gone on for days. :lol:

[cpwill]

unless you've been spending the last 20 years of your life doing nothing from waking to sleeping but studying and debating the scripture, then you wouldn't even be able to match a scribe, and Jesus made scribes look like fools all the time.

[willieboy31]

unless you've been spending the last 20 years of your life doing nothing from waking to sleeping but studying and debating the scripture, then you wouldn't even be able to match a scribe, and Jesus made scribes look like fools all the time.

:clap: :clap: :clap: Hard to argue with that

[some_crazy_red]

It's important to remember that GW really isn't a good example of Christianity-nowhere in any of the Bible or any Christian doctrine is idiocy, stubborness, bigotry, hatred, or brutality condoned. Please, no one judge Christianity by Bush.

[Ronnieraygun]

And who defines what's "constructive?" :thinking:

Personally, I would have loved to play scriptural ping-pong with Jesus: I'll bet we could have gone on for days. :lol:


Do you want a generic answer, or the christian answer. I think you may know the latter.

Constructive quotes from scripture are those that promote the principal of christianity and Gods plan for our lives. When I quoted from John, it was a reminder (not just to you) that before we point the finger at anyone, we have to look at our own lives, and clean up our own houses. We are sinners by design. However, I won't deny that I have my own issues with Bush.

Jesus, probably would have indulged you to a point, DNC. :)

[JustinH]

unless you've been spending the last 20 years of your life doing nothing from waking to sleeping but studying and debating the scripture, then you wouldn't even be able to match a scribe, and Jesus made scribes look like fools all the time.

Really? Mind if I borrow your time machine so I can go back 2000 years to see Jesus make a scribe look like a fool?

[cpwill]

not at all, in fact, you can pick one up yourself at virtually any bookstore:D

[Voice Of Reason]

Opinions?

0, none, Nada, zilch

[DNCAttackDog]

0, none, Nada, zilch
I just have to ask you, VOR. Do you get paid to post here? If so, are you getting paid by the post? (You've got a great scam going if you do....)

[DeathMonkey]

0, none, Nada, zilch
In the Valley of the blind, the one eyed man is King. In the valley of the one eyed man, are a bunch of dead blind people.