XXXchurch Wants No More XXX

[TomAZ]

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Two young Christian ministers set up the XXXchurch to stop people from watching porn and engaging in self-gratification. Their edgy approach has won a lot of attention, but no love from fellow Christians. By Julia Scheeres.

http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,63502,00.html?tw=wn_story_mailer

Do not touch it except to pee. :devil:

[mataj]

http://www.subgenius.com/bigfist/pics9/MISC-TN/_sister-agony.html

[DeathMonkey]

Another reason I am an Atheist.

[Redheat]

I've never understood the religious rights need to try and surpress something that is so inantely human.

They honestly think God made us sexual beings so we could supress it and have the frustration come out in the form of hate and bitterness? That's God plan?

Who is hurt by self gratification?

[crawfish]

Don't diss the brilliance that inspired THIS image:

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[cpwill]

Redheat; we're not pushing for the repression of anything, we're pushing for the proper application of sexuality.

furthermore, i think what these priests are doing is great.

[Redheat]

Redheat; we're not pushing for the repression of anything, we're pushing for the proper application of sexuality.

furthermore, i think what these priests are doing is great.


Proper application? by whose standards? masturbation is a human act that is part of a beings discovery of their sexuality. Repressing these kinds of feelings only leads to confusion and IMO hampers the desired effect of trying to teach teens to be more responsible about sex.

Sorry but sex doesn't have a set of "proper applications" it's to each his own, and if you don't like what someone else does too damn bad. However don't be making some kid feel bad for expressing a natural act, it f with their heads and serves no real purpose but to make YOU feel better about sex.

This isn't about real concern for peoples morals it's about a bunch of people who can't get over their own issues with sex so they want everyone to be as miserble and uptight as they are. It's purely selfish.

[The Big Bog]

As a deeply religious individual, it sickens me to think that people feel compelled to gratify themselves in such a lowly manner. Personally, I gave up masturbation years ago after I accepted Jesus Christ into my heart, and now I have veritable gobs of time to redirect all that unspent sexual energy toward the dinner table. I now have a new love in my life: food! Lots and lots of it too. God bless America and its abundance of good things to eat.

Masturbation is simply an appalling act and you should think so too because ... it's what I think. I highly suspect my 25-year-old neighbor who lives across the hall in my condo complex masturbates. I watch him through bincolars sometimes from my window. Sometimes he gets out of his car late at night carrying small plain brown paper bags that I highly suspect contain pornographic media rented from the local smut store. And when I put my ear to the door, sometimes I think I can hear the licentious act in progress. Wow, I'm suddenly getting this tremendous craving for some Oreos. Anyone want to join me???

[mataj]

Don't diss the brilliance that inspired THIS image:

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[Craig]

As a deeply religious individual, it sickens me to think that people feel compelled to gratify themselves in such a lowly manner. Personally, I gave up masturbation years ago after I accepted Jesus Christ into my heart, and now I have veritable gobs of time to redirect all that unspent sexual energy toward the dinner table. I now have a new love in my life: food! Lots and lots of it too. God bless America and its abundance of good things to eat.

Mmm... trade one carnal sin for another....

[MikeD4o7]

Every study ever done on the subject has concluded that masturbation is a normal and healthy activity, especially for adolescents. It's another case of religion claiming something to be immoral with no reason or logic... just because the Bible says so. It's the "power of faith" rearing it's ugly head.

[TomAZ]

Big Bog;

Hilarious!!!!

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :clap:

[cpwill]

Sorry but sex doesn't have a set of "proper applications" it's to each his own, and if you don't like what someone else does too damn bad.

glad you feel this way, because i truly feel my proper application is a little on the rough side. i was feeling bad about it earlier, but now i'm sure that the young jogger i kidnapped this morning will feel much better about the whole ordeal once i tell her that if she has a problem with what i'm doing then (as you put it) "too damn bad", because she's not being "tolerant".:rolleyes:[/sarcasm]

This isn't about real concern for peoples morals it's about a bunch of people who can't get over their own issues with sex so they want everyone to be as miserble and uptight as they are. It's purely selfish.

:rolleyes: i'm sorry, but that's completely innacurate; this isn't forced on anyone. guys get into this because THEY want to, because they feel led to do this and because this makes them feel better about themselves.

[crawfish]

Every study ever done on the subject has concluded that masturbation is a normal and healthy activity, especially for adolescents. It's another case of religion claiming something to be immoral with no reason or logic... just because the Bible says so. It's the "power of faith" rearing it's ugly head.
Only, in this case the Bible doesn't "say so"...

Porn can be as addicting and debilitating as drugs or alchohol, but it is only as connected to masturbation as sex is in general. They are two separate subjects.

[Larani]

Let me tell you what the issue is here Money.. Nothing more nothing less. The money spent in those porn shops could be better spent at the local church so that this pastor could build a bigger house and buy his daughter her first car.

As it was in the days of the Pharisees and the Sadducee's these guys are selling forgiveness to sins that are burdens to grievous to be born. For the same reason they did back then economic livelihood, power and prestige.

Yes when it comes to sexuality we all need personal control were not Prehistoric men any longer dragging our conquests into the nearest cave by their ponytails, but we also have to recognize that in many ways we still are. Power, Authority, Greed, Gluttony, all still inflict us. Yes we have come along way gone are many of the unequal treatments we have inflicted on our brother and sisters such as slavery, but a long way too we must go. Much still to do. There is a saying pick your battles wisely. Sexuality is a normal part of who we are, but when Power, Authority, Greed, Gluttony become a part of it so too does it get ruined and that is our enemy not some guy or gal whacking off by themselves.

[MikeD4o7]

Only, in this case the Bible doesn't "say so"...

Porn can be as addicting and debilitating as drugs or alchohol, but it is only as connected to masturbation as sex is in general. They are two separate subjects.


Oops, you're right. I thought I had remebered it as being there as one of those sexual sins listed in Leviticus, but masturbation isn't explicitly ever mentioned. I agree about porn being potentially debilitating though, and they are two different subjects. My post was about masturbation specifically, and I was mistaken on my info.

However, it is very easy though to make the argument that masturbation is implied to be a sin, since it would fall under pre-marital sex technically... I think that's what some christians go by.

[MikeD4o7]

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double post.

[cpwill]

Oops, you're right. I thought I had remebered it as being there as one of those sexual sins listed in Leviticus, but masturbation isn't explicitly ever mentioned. I agree about porn being potentially debilitating though, and they are two different subjects. My post was about masturbation specifically, and I was mistaken on my info.

However, it is very easy though to make the argument that masturbation is implied to be a sin, since it would fall under pre-marital sex technically... I think that's what some christians go by.

it's not the masturbation itself that's the problem; it's the lust.

[MikeD4o7]

it's not the masturbation itself that's the problem; it's the lust.


I thought it would be considered the other way around. Afterall, isn't impossible not to lust? I thought it was the acting on it that Christians considered immoral, not the feeling itself.

[The Big Bog]

it's not the masturbation itself that's the problem; it's the lust.
So if I masturbate while balancing my checkbook, that would be OK?

I get so confused on all these moral rules.

[cpwill]

lol, i don't know how you could quite manage it, but okay, have fun with your checkbook all you like.

MikeDo: Jesus said that if you lusted after a woman then you had already committed adultery with her in your heart. however, you are sort of on to something; lust does not mean feeling attracted to someone, or noticing that someone is particularly attractive etc.; lust comes into the picture when you become an active part of the process; when you begin to fantasize about them, etc.

[earth]

""Rick," a 20-year-old Krispy Kreme employee from Washington, says he has a serious problem: He masturbates."

Now I may be the only one here to say this but IMHO I think if you DON'T masturbate you have a serious problem. haHA

[earth]

So if I masturbate while balancing my checkbook, that would be OK?

I get so confused on all these moral rules.

OMG TEH FUNNAY!

[xpanda]

cpwill: rape is not an example of the misapplication of sexuality, it is an example of the application of misogyny. Rape is not sex in and of itself, but, rather, a power ploy where sex is the means, not the ends. Further, fundamental Christian religions promote, not deter, misogyny.

I was raped when I was 16 by a boy I went to school with. Catholic school, indeed.

[cpwill]

rape is a misaplication of sexuality, if a particularly horrible one; don't think that power doesn't tie into sex; else one has a bit of difficulty explaining all the hard core websites and magazines that are sold.

furthermore, the idea that the Christian religion promotes a hatred of women is completely innacurate.

[earth]

furthermore, the idea that the Christian religion promotes a hatred of women is completely innacurate.

I don't think it's just a hatred of women. I think the christian/catholic faith is severely repressed when it comes to sex period.

No religion promotes a hatred but it's pretty obvious that all major religions are built around the ideal that man is superior to women.

[Larani]

I don't think it's just a hatred of women. I think the christian/catholic faith is severely repressed when it comes to sex period.

No religion promotes a hatred but it's pretty obvious that all major religions are built around the ideal that man is superior to women.

Earth I think the problem is that in religions there is a built in system of Pride, Ego and Vanity.. My way is the way etc. This causes a mindset in those that follow it to see fault in their neighbor without seeing fault in themselves. In fact one could say it leads to placing oneself on a pedestal with all others below, but this is not just a religious problem this is a problem of our competitive nature.

Taking from the bible Cain felt he had lost in competition to Abel when it came to God and that was his failing. This flaw in our thinking that causes us to do this is not only rampant but encouraged. We do it with sports teams, with Nationalism hell we do it even with our own kids when we compare them to other peoples kids. Ours are better we say. and as we say so to does this show to all how we think.

So yes Religions have their endorsed weaknesses that actually encourage their members to be full of vanity and Pride, but I think it would be wrong to point out their flaws without targeting the actually root cause which invests all sorts of human groupings.

[Ronnieraygun]

Taking from the bible Cain felt he had lost in competition to Abel when it came to God and that was his failing. This flaw in our thinking that causes us to do this is not only rampant but encouraged. We do it with sports teams, with Nationalism hell we do it even with our own kids when we compare them to other peoples kids. Ours are better we say. and as we say so to does this show to all how we think.


Cain was a tiller of the land. He was upset because Abels sacrifice of his first yearling's was better accepted than Cain's sacrifice of crops. This is a story of jealousy, not competition.

Genisis 4:6-

6 Then the LORD said to Cain, "Why are you angry? Why is your face downcast? 7 If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must master it."

This quote is at the heart of this topic. We all have to gain dominance over our desires. Otherwise they will consume us.

[Larani]

Cain was a tiller of the land. He was upset because Abels sacrifice of his first yearling's was better accepted than Cain's sacrifice of crops. This is a story of jealousy, not competition.


In one fashion I agree and yet in another I would disagree. First would be Cain perception that his offering wasn't good enough. Clearly your right the fault lied with Cain and not with God disapproval of Cain offering because God never disapproved of Cain's offering, but was warning him that the problem of his offering was coming from within Cain and his own faulty perception of it..

Where I disagree though and to the point I was making is that Pride, Vanity, Ego all play their part in our need to compete with each other vs cooperate with each other. Clearly Cain saw his brothers offering and his as if their were in direct competition with each other for God Favor and that I contend is our flaw, and the flaw built into most religions on this planet as well as in nationalism etc.

[Ronnieraygun]

Where I disagree though and to the point I was making is that Pride, Vanity, Ego all play their part in our need to compete with each other vs cooperate with each other. Clearly Cain saw his brothers offering and his as if their were in direct competition with each other for God Favor and that I contend is our flaw, and the flaw built into most religions on this planet as well as in nationalism etc.


There is such a thing as healthy and unhealthy competition. I don't believe healthy competition is a bad thing. It teaches us how to handle challenge, how to accept defeat, while appreciating our opponents' resourcefulness, and it can teach us humility.

The last time I checked, Capitalism rewards the competitive, and it's a good thing it does, otherwise many of us wouldn't have jobs. We are all beneficiaries of our competitive nature.

You and I participate in this forum, which is definitely competitive. And again, I will agree with you that there are a few who haven't quite grasped the concept of being able to disagree with someone without launching personal attacks, or otherwise derailing the topic at hand. This is the kind of negative effect of competition I think you're talking about. It's caused by a lack of understanding. We're not at war with one another here. And in the end, no ones opinions are going to change the world. But they may Stir the imagination, provoke thought. :)

The soap box is now yours, sir... :D

[Larani]

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There is such a thing as healthy and unhealthy competition. I don't believe healthy competition is a bad thing. It teaches us how to handle challenge, how to accept defeat, while appreciating our opponents' resourcefulness, and it can teach us humility.

The last time I checked, Capitalism rewards the competitive, and it's a good thing it does, otherwise many of us wouldn't have jobs. We are all beneficiaries of our competitive nature.

While I agree their is such a thing as healthy and unhealthy competition I disagree that our competition with each other is a good thing. I can see us competing with nature, and with the cosmos in general for our survival but it is my belief that our constant competition with each other will most likely actually bring about the seeds to our own destruction. I am not saying this as an absolute for we may evolve before such a catastrophe but given the asymmetrical power of modern day technologies and weapons and given our historical lineage competing with each other I think the evidence weights heavily in the direction I suppose.

[crawfish]

Oops, you're right. I thought I had remebered it as being there as one of those sexual sins listed in Leviticus, but masturbation isn't explicitly ever mentioned. I agree about porn being potentially debilitating though, and they are two different subjects. My post was about masturbation specifically, and I was mistaken on my info.

However, it is very easy though to make the argument that masturbation is implied to be a sin, since it would fall under pre-marital sex technically... I think that's what some christians go by.
So would wet dreams under that definition.

I agree with cwill that it can fall under "lust"...however, I don't think that's necessarily the case. In fact, some selective "healthy release" can deter those feelings somewhat...

[The Big Bog]

So would wet dreams under that definition.

I agree with cwill that it can fall under "lust"...however, I don't think that's necessarily the case. In fact, some selective "healthy release" can deter those feelings somewhat...
Ah, that's Satan doing his business while you're in lala land. Idle mind is the devil's playground. If you were saved and born again, you wouldn't have wet dreams. If that still doesn't work, you need to be exorcised.

[cpwill]

:rolleyes:

[mataj]

Ah, that's Satan doing his business while you're in lala land. Idle mind is the devil's playground. If you were saved and born again, you wouldn't have wet dreams. If that still doesn't work, you need to be exorcised.Nah. Exorcism is too radical. Wet dreams is a sure sign, that you've just pretended to accept Christ, that you weren't sincere enough. All you need to do, is be born again again. And again, if necessary. And again.

[cpwill]

nah, wet dreams just happen to you; they may be indicative that you're mind is spending too much time in the gutter, but that's about it.

[MikeD4o7]

I'm a bit confused... in Christianity, is masturbation considered premarital sex? or just an extension of wanting to have premarital sex?

[cpwill]

you could make a case for either within christian theology.