BEYOND BABYLON: EUROPE'S RISE AND FALL

[David Ben-Ariel]

"Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword" (Mat. 10:34). That bold statement of Jesus the Christ knocks down all the traditional images of "God with us."

Jesus declared WAR - not peace - on Earth! Not only had He seen "Satan fall like lightning from the sky" (when the devil was defeated and thrown out of Heaven), but now the preexistent Word had taken on flesh and blood to beat Satan on his own turf - Earth! Christ came to finish what He had started: the destruction of an evil empire (Heb. 2:14).

We’re warned of an end-time configuration of European states that will wreak such havoc - in the name of religion - that unless there’s SUPERNATURAL INTERVENTION, nobody will survive!

For the rest of the story, please see http://www22.brinkster.com/********/intro.htm

[Sandy]

I am aware of these statements and what they have done to our American Churches. I swear Christians can justify any damn thing that they want to do. There is a scripture for them to justify all their sinful actions.

David, I pulled my kids out of Christian school when they began talking abour fire and brimstone and Armageddon. We lived in the Malibu mountains where fire and brimstone arrived in the guise of fire storms every other year. I found it difficult to relate a bible passage to our fire storms.

In every case it was discovered that our fires were man made by stupid idiots not some God in heaven.

My daughter married a Jew and changed her name from Lynn to Ariel! I figured it was from "The Tempest" by Shakespeare. Are you posting from Israel or are you local?

[Sandy]

I just noticed that you are from Toledo. Some day I will learn to read!

[David Ben-Ariel]

Originally posted by Sandy
I just noticed that you are from Toledo. Some day I will learn to read!

Presently I'm from Toledo and hopefully soon I'll be back in action in Jerusalem my beloved!

I don't believe in the traditional fire and brimstone but do believe that WWIII is coming (even the secular recognize that). It is called the GREAT TRIBULATION and "the time of Jacob's Trouble" since it will specifically target the British-Israelites and Jews (www.britam.org). My book Beyond Babylon is written as a witness and a warning, and in the hopes of comforting our soon captive audience that our God will come and save us: that Jesus/Yahshua is both our NATIONAL DELIVERER/KING and our spiritual Saviour/High Priest.

Malibu sounds lovely all except for the fires.... I was blessed to be out North and West for three wonderful weeks this summer. God has given us - the Tribe of Manasseh son of Joseph - a wonderful inheritance! Now if we'll only keep it and not lose it to the fascist EU/UN beasts!

[Sandy]

I'm interested in your position as a father. Do you have children that are taught that the end is nearing? My girls attended Christian school for 6 years each and came home terrified of the devil and the end of the world!

I removed them as quickly as I could. It is one thing to know and understand the various religions that we all have come into contact with and another to scare the hell out of our kids.

I was very fortunate to have met a Rabbi when I was in Hospice training. Being an atheist I wondered how I could be of any help to a terminal person. He spent a lot of time going over his own religion and felt that most people who are terminal are prepared to die. Many wishing it could be immediate.

My best friend lives in New Jersey and we have kept in close contact by email 3 or 4 times a day. He is a religious Jew and also has guided me through my doubts about my qualifications in dealing with my patients.

These two men gave me the courage to continue with the training and searching for my way of helping my patients find themselves. It was the Christians who were horrified that an Atheist would ever be the last person that the dying would have contact with. I was called contaminated and dirty.

David I was a good and successful hospice worker because I spent my days pulling out the best things that happened to my patients. I made them review their lives and would stop and compliment them on something that was very good and we would skip over the other things that were less good. I actually had 2 patients die smiling and laughing at themselves for doubting their lives had no meaning.

I had one old miner who adored animals and was annoyed to be in a Hospice facility where no dogs could visit. I broke the Hospice rule and brought my own dog in the next morning. We parked in the back of the facility and I wheeled my patient out onto the grass and let my dog out. She was a magnificent yellow lab who had been trained to work with children with cancer and was never put off by strange smells or IVs and focused on the faces of the kids. She did the same thing with my patient. She walked up to his wheel chair and laid her head on his lap and he cried like a child.

They stayed like that for over an hour and then I put her back in the car. I helped him back into bed, gave him a quick foot massage, tucked him in with a kiss and he died before I even got home. I know he was delighted with my Kate's affection if not my own.

I lost her to old age the end of August and to me there will never be another dog like Kate. Her patience with sick children was incredible. For 14 years we were best friends and I mourn for her loss to be everyday. I know she is dead and therefore will not feel her loss to me. I only wish I could snap a valve somewhere in my mind and turn off this pain of loneliness. I will have another dog, but not another Kate.

Would you like to meet her?

http://www.rightpov.com/

[Captain America]

Dogs have wonderful healing powers. You can take them to an old folks home and the old people there just light up! You can take them into the schools and this animal brings out the best in children too. Autistic children also delight in dogs. Dogs can smell cancer within a person. What amazing healing powers they have. In fact, a dog can cut his paw, lick it a few times and in no time, it's HEALED! What amazing healing powers! You know, I used to have hemmoroids...but now.... I GOT A DOG!!:rofl:

[Sandy]

Capt. Are you making of me?

[Captain America]

I am laughing with you, not at you. I love dogs you goofball. By the way, I clicked on your site. Kate was a beautiful animal. I am sorry for your loss and I mean that from the bottom of my heart.

Lighten up babe! Laughter is the best medicine.

[Sandy]

Probably next spring I will be moving back to California and will contact my old dog trainer and get another doberman. My Leontyne was named after the famous opera singer Leontyne Price because she could hit high C with ease. She too died at the age of 14 and had a heart attack. No suffering just boom! She was a lovely and beautiful creature and gentle as a lamb. I can't get another lab as my heart died with Kate. Before I had Kate I had a solid black Siamese cat who was the most elegant animal I ever saw. Kate and "China" became inseparable and slept together on my bed. I had other cats but nothing like these two pals ever bonded like this.

When my China died at 18, Kate went into a flat depression. She walked around the house looking everywhere and even my back yard got the once over with Kate's nose. One of my kids came into town for some holiday and drove me to the pound to get another cat for Kate. How ridiculous! Two siamese kittens came in while we were there but no black one. My daughter took them both and we brought them home and gave them to Kate. She was delirious with joy. She washed them and tended to them when they cried and it was just silly.

Now, I came home from the hospital to face 3 cats and no dog. They fight, scrap and have become quite destructive around the house. So I guess I will have to get them another dog. When will this ever end?

[David Ben-Ariel]

Originally posted by Sandy
[B]I'm interested in your position as a father. Do you have children that are taught that the end is nearing? My girls attended Christian school for 6 years each and came home terrified of the devil and the end of the world!

I'm "gay" so it's not likely I will ever have children, unfortunately, but if I did I would teach my children about the REAL WORLD - the good, the bad and the ugly. We can't shelter them from the fact that wars happen and that the Bible shows blessings or consequences for various actions, cause and effect, and that the road the world is on now is headed for disaster. But I wouldn't only tell them the bad news, I would offer them the hope and comfort of the GOOD NEWS that soon God's Kingdom will reign and save us from men and from sin.

I have a booklet called "God and the Gays" at www.********.com
if you're interested in such sensitive matters....

God's creatures and creation can help the healing process, but God is the HEALER over all in His tender mercies. I trust in His tender mercies because I also have AIDS (without symptoms). I am a Christian but I have been quite worldly and know both sides of the fences and fence-straddling as well! I know Father knows best and hope to walk with Him closer, day by day. Whether or not you're an atheist is between you and your Creator, whether you recognize Him now or not. I've also been in about every religion but Yahshua/Jesus speaks with divine authority and I believe and remains convinced He's the Anointed One, the firstborn of many brethren into the God Kingdom-Family of Immortals!

[Sandy]

You sound like a very interesting man indeed. I am very sensitive to the gay life as my two best friends who lived with me for years are celebrating 35 years together. I come from the Hollywood studios where the gays hold a majority of most of the crew, musicians and actors. Never bothered me for a minute.

I am a little stunned at a Jewish Christian. I will have to think about that. Stay with us David, I want to hear more about your life in Jerusalem. I remember the day the UN decided to allow the Jews to have their own country and many of us celebrated that. My grandfather helped many Jews out of Austria before Hitler finally slammed down on so many of them. He found jobs and homes in our community of Santa Monica where they are now on the 4th generation of immigrants who prospered well in our beach town on the Pacific Ocean.

I was in a boarding school with other girls from the Hollywood studios and my classmates (all 21 of us) were a mixture of every possible race and religion found on earth. Hollywood does that with great style.

[Captain America]

Sorry to hear about your bug dude. We are making strides in that field every day. Keep the faith. Perhaps before it becomes too threatening they will have some mojo-juice that will knock it right out. I'm pulling for you bro. Rock on.

Captain America

[David Ben-Ariel]

Thank you Sandy and Captain America for your shared thoughts. Sometimes I really don't know how much to reveal, whether it's about personal sins and weaknesses or my past or my diseased royal blood....'cuz some will use it against you and others will praise God in spite of it and see His glory through it all and wonders in working with all sorts of people. Having lived/served in 8 kibbutzim in Israel, I LOVE all sorts of people and countries and customs and accents and so forth. I am a red-blooded American, but my friends say I'm international. I reckon (there goes my southern drawl when I get in the mood for it or tired, although my mom's from Tennessee originally and my friend's mom who I live with [who died from his drinkin'] is from WV) I'm both a patriotic American and international, like I'm an Ohioan but an American or whatever, right? Just finished watching The Wedding Singer with Adam Sandler and loved it.

Weddings can be bittersweet if you're not married. And to think January's just round the bend and I'll be 44! That's a MIRACLE!

[Sandy]

David. I always feel I'm on middle ground because I never have judged anyone by any sin written in any book. My own code of ethics is very simple. I mean what I say and I will never talk behind anyone's back. I live by Ayn Rand's Objectivism which means that I will never take from anyone that which I have not earned. I hope you have read Rand's books and her international philosophy which is fabulous.

Many Americans have a problem with her style. She would really prefer to have written philosophy books but instead started writing fiction around what she considered ideal men and women.

She had an interesting background. Her family lived in Russia for generations and then it became difficult for Jews to live in peace, she ran away as a very young woman and migrated to America.

Being fascinated with Hollywood movies she wandered into DeMille's studio and became a script writer for his biblical productions. She was a scholar in both testaments and he found her to be invaluable. She clicked immediately with many of the stars and crew and fell in love with a gorgeous cowboy actor. She retired and took up writing where she ended up being in the top of her field.

She cleared the cobwebs out of my mind when I realized I had not married well and trying to live with a religious nut was too difficult for me to understand. After years of battling with my husband and having 3 kids on my hands, I simply left for a freer life. Going back to work saved my sanity and I was lucky to find a couple of unemployed actors who moved into my house after my older girl went off to Berkeley and my son was married and took over the care and feeding of my youngest girl when I was on location or at the studio.

We are all close friends still. They will be moving to a village in the Yucca Valley in California and I intend to join them when I am physically strong enough to make the move. They are so much a part of my family that I need to continue to be a part of theirs.

You tend to frighten me with your doom and gloom about the end of the world and I would love to discuss it with you further.

[Captain America]

David, I uses to live in Holland/Maumee, Ohio. Know where that's at? Ever heard of Marco's Pizza?

[David Ben-Ariel]

Originally posted by Captain America
David, I uses to live in Holland/Maumee, Ohio. Know where that's at? Ever heard of Marco's Pizza?

I grew up on our farm in Risingsun, Ohio until mom and dad divorced and then we moved (at age 11) to Holland, Ohio. I graduated from Springfield High School in 1978.

I've also lived in Maumee with my sister several times after returning from Israel. Valley Stream area.

I had Marco's Garden Pizza last night. Delicious!

You're no longer in Beautiful Ohio?

[Captain America]

I never liked Ohio personally. The people were great but economic times were tough back then especially in that area. I had to work two jobs to get by.

I moved away as soon as I could and have never been back.

[David Ben-Ariel]

Originally posted by Captain America
I never liked Ohio personally. The people were great but economic times were tough back then especially in that area. I had to work two jobs to get by.

I moved away as soon as I could and have never been back.

I've lived off and on in Israel many times, but always came back here because of family and friends. I think it's a beautiful state with lots of trees and woods and farm fields (which you can appreciate if you're out West in the desert), but I have had enough freezing winters! After going West this summer for 3 weeks I was wondering what in the world I was doing back in Ohio!

I'm barred from Israel presently but I could still be living somewhere else with more life than Toledo and awesome scenery...but I'm living with my friend's mom (he died from his drinking like my father did and his father did) who is 69 and now has scleroderma (sp?). I would feel like I was forsaking her if I took off now - UNLESS someone else moves in with her. I pray for God's Will to be done, but I'm bored and restless... regardless, we're supposed to grow where we're planted. What's a boy to do?

[Sandy]

I'm having the same problems finding a home where I can settle in permanently. When I lived in the Cambria village it was so expensive liviving there and my old knees were full of arthritis that I headed for the desert. I love the dry heat but the people are not friendly and tend to be weird. People have told me that I would never be accepted because I am from the evil and wicked California. I've moved twice now in Arizona and I tend to believe they aren't kidding. I have a terrible desire to go home to California, sell my home here and live in a trailer just to be back.

I don't need a fancy home anymore and have been looking at a town called "Prioneertown" which was built by Roy Rogers and Gene Autry as a movie set. It's just outside of Palm Springs and just before the start of Joshua Tree Forest. My friends (two men who have been part of my family for 30 years) also want to move into that area. The prices of small homes are quite affordable.

The whole area is gay friendly and where my friends would be treated as equals and that is essential for me. It's a funky area and sort of half mountain half desert. As soon as I'm strong enough to pack up and move, I will take a closer look.

http://www.pioneertown.com/f-index.htm

Look at this crazy place!!! I'll pick up an old nag, find my boots and ride across the street. Yahoo!!!

[David Ben-Ariel]

Pioneertown! Went to the site. Sounds like a fun place to visit. If you ever move there and I head West again perhaps we'll enjoy coffee and conversation there! I love the desert and the mountains. I also love water though. In Israel I prefer the northern part of the country country-wise, green and such, but love Jerusalem for all its religious significance.

We had ponies growing up and several horses. I love to ride as well. I fulfilled dreams by riding in the mountains, across a creek and into a forest path in Colorado and was thrilled to ride, even shortly, on the beach in Israel, near Ceasarea, Kibbutz Sdot Yam.

[Sandy]

David, you will always be welcome to visit me where ever I live. I like the casual atmosphere of the village although I doubt I would actually live there I am certainly going to find a place in the Yucca Valley. I believe the community will grow into a tourist place which will be good and bad. I lived for 20 years just south of the Hearst Castle and the tourists got a bit tiring and we were always happy when they went home.

I ended up working at the castle because of my interest in art and I did get to know Austine Hearst (Mr. Will's wife) and she promoted the castle by having many fancy parties on the hill including promoting her book on "The Horses of San Simeon" I acted as a hostess for her parties as well as booked the string trios to fill a much needed background music.

When both Austine and Will died just a year apart the heart went out of the castle for us and we tended to move on. They were glorious people and seeing them riding their horses on the ranch was a joy. One would never guess they were as wealthy as anyone in California. They had horse poop on their boots just like the rest of us.

I will keep in touch with you when I make the move. I work everyday to get my legs back so they can get me on a horse. I'm old and regaining strength is difficult.

[David Ben-Ariel]

Originally posted by Sandy
[B]David, you will always be welcome to visit me where ever I live. I lived for 20 years just south of the Hearst Castle and the tourists got a bit tiring and we were always happy when they went home. /B]

Thank you kindly Sandy!

I visited the Hearst Castle (San Simeon National Monument) way back in 1978 when I was in California for the first time and 18 years young! I drove from San Diego to north of San Francisco and loved every minute of it. I have wanderlust unimaginable! But, as the saying goes, not every wanderer is lost.

An Israeli author friend, who mentioned my unjust deportation in his book Carpetbaggers and Traitors in the Promised Land, emailed me how to post on one of the Israeli traitors (Geneva/Gehenna Initiative) bulletin boards, so I've been busy doing just that! Warning about the fascist EU/UN intent to occupy Jerusalem and seize the coveted Temple Mount. There will have to be a God-King-Messiah to save us from the hell about to be unleashed! Otherwise, we'll all be history and dust. Thankfully, I believe Heaven will be established on earth after we go through hell and some of us will become God-Beings, a higher civilization and perfect world!

[Captain America]

We'll all go to heaven in a little rowboat! Yippee!!:rolleyes:

[Blueangel]

Originally posted by David Ben-Ariel
Thankfully, I believe Heaven will be established on earth after we go through hell and some of us will become God-Beings, a higher civilization and perfect world! That kind of ideology scares me.

[David Ben-Ariel]

Originally posted by Blueangel
That kind of ideology scares me.

What's happening in the world ought to scare us straight! In perspective, check out Beyond Babylon: Europe's Rise and Fall which tells the bad news and offers the hope and comfort of GOOD NEWS!

Herbert W. Armstrong's book Mystery of the Ages is excellent reading as well:

Mystery of the Ages
By Herbert W. Armstrong


Did you ever ask yourself: "Who am I? What am I? Why am I?" You are a mystery. The world about you is a mystery. Now, you can understand! This is the final and most important book Herbert W. Armstrong wrote, and is the culmination of the basic biblical truth he came to understand in his interest-packed life.

Table of Contents
Author's Statement
Preface
Introduction: How the Seven Mysteries Were Revealed
Chapter One: Who and What Is God?
Chapter Two: Mystery of Angels and Evil Spirits
Chapter Three: Thy Mystery of Man
Chapter Four: Mystery of Civilization
Chapter Five: Mystery of Israel
Chapter Six: Mystery of the Church
Chapter Seven: Mystery of the Kingdom of God



http://www.thetrumpet.com/geo/na/docs/Literature.asp?view=Toc&id=6

[Sandy]

I find this a strange way to develop a belief system. I refuse to live my life in fear of a fall of the human race.

I was born, I didn't exist before that, and I will die, and I will no longer exist. It's too time consuming for me to worry about how and when and why I will die. I will die when my body quits. I will be cremated and my ashes spreak under a big old oak tree where my nitrogen will find some use.

[David Ben-Ariel]

Originally posted by Sandy
[B]I find this a strange way to develop a belief system. I refuse to live my life in fear of a fall of the human race.]

I also refuse to live my life paralyzed by the fear of the continued degradation/deterioration of the human race's March of Folly, but I also refuse to be an ostrich with my head in the sands of self-delusion that everything's kosher about me and in the world when it's clearly NOT.

That being said, I think a better word about living is facing reality, accepting the plain truth, being realistic, not overly optimistic or pessimistic: the lovely balance so hard to achieve!

I guess this is where the serenity prayer comes in.... ; > )

[Captain America]

That being said, I think a better word about living is facing reality, accepting the plain truth, being realistic, not overly optimistic or pessimistic:

Hey, that makes real good sense so what's with all the religious stuff?

[Blueangel]

Originally posted by David Ben-Ariel
Did you ever ask yourself: "Who am I? What am I? Why am I?" You are a mystery. The world about you is a mystery. Now, you can understand! This is the final and most important book Herbert W. Armstrong wrote, and is the culmination of the basic biblical truth he came to understand in his interest-packed life. Of course I've asked those questions, but I'd sooner get on with living my life than look to others ideology for the answers.

Your first statement scares my because it seems to peddle an elitist ideology.
As the descendant of a German Jew, I reject any ideology that would deem one man to be better than another. I'm not Jewish myself as the faith is carried down the female line and my male ancestor married out of the faith.
I'm agnostic...I reject all religious doctrine for myself. I fully accept that many people are comforted by their faith and I respect that, I just don't feel comfortable with any organised religion.

My 'religion' is very simple...
Treat others with respect and hope that they respect you too.

[David Ben-Ariel]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Blueangel
[B]Of course I've asked those questions, but I'd sooner get on with living my life than look to others ideology for the answers.

Your first statement scares my because it seems to peddle an elitist ideology.
As the descendant of a German Jew, I reject any ideology that would deem one man to be better than another. QUOTE]

There's a difference between looking to others for what only God can provide, and gleaning from others what God can offer through them.

I don't believe in any elitist ideology, sorry if it cam across that way. My book Beyond Babylon clearly reveals I believe Israel (all twelve tribes, British-Israelites and Jews) has been called and chosen to perform a SERVICE to mankind on God's behalf, to become a LIGHT/example to all nations by following a divine constitution (Torah) with its blessings/benefits. This "mission from God' hasn't been accomplished and our people Israel have been miserable failures in many aspects. There's hope however...we will finish what God has started, with His help and in His good time.