59% of Democrats oppose gay marriage

[RedWhite&Blue]

Time/CNN poll conducted by Harris Interactive. Nov 18-19, 2003 N=1,507 adults nationwide. MoE +/-2.5%

Question "Do you think marriages between homosexual men or between homosexual women should be recognized as legal by the law or not?"

Yes 32%
No 62%
Not Sure 6%

http://www.pollingreport.com/civil.htm

Hmmm....Looks like this isn't just a right wing Republican thing after all!

[JD3]

Originally posted by RedWhite&Blue
Time/CNN poll conducted by Harris Interactive. Nov 18-19, 2003 N=1,507 adults nationwide. MoE +/-2.5%

Question "Do you think marriages between homosexual men or between homosexual women should be recognized as legal by the law or not?"

Yes 32%
No 62%
Not Sure 6%

http://www.pollingreport.com/civil.htm

Hmmm....Looks like this isn't just a right wing Republican thing after all!

Its good thing the ad populum argument doesn't matter. The majority get it wrong often. I was so glad when I heard the Catolic Church finally admitted that gallieo was right and the earth did revolve around the sun. Popular opinion at the time had it the other way around.

gopman has it right. The equal rights admendment makes this a legal issue and prohibits discrimination based on gender. So, the question is moot and only a matter of time before it is addressed by the courts.;)

[RedWhite&Blue]

Originally posted by JD3
Its good thing the ad populum argument doesn't matter. The majority get it wrong often. I was so glad when I heard the Catolic Church finally admitted that gallieo was right and the earth did revolve around the sun. Popular opinion at the time had it the other way around.

gopman has it right. The equal rights admendment makes this a legal issue and prohibits discrimination based on gender. So, the question is moot and only a matter of time before it is addressed by the courts.;)

The question isn't moot. The number of those being for gay marriage has dropped 8% since a Gallup poll was taken in July of this year. As well, the Constitution of the U.S. has stated that a Constitutional Amendment is the final say so, so if it is ok under our system of gov't to have the courts effectively order gay marriage, then it is ok for an Amendment to the Constitution to ban it.

[JD3]

Two conflicting amendments would strill have trouble, And as Dean points out, we don't have to call it marriage, we simply have to afford equal rights. So some sort of UNION will be law. It is just a matter of time.;)

[RedWhite&Blue]

Originally posted by JD3
Two conflicting amendments would strill have trouble, And as Dean points out, we don't have to call it marriage, we simply have to afford equal rights. So some sort of UNION will be law. It is just a matter of time.;)

The only Amendment that is gaining steam, and which I know of, is the Constitutional Amendment to ban gay and polygamous marriage.The Cons. Amend would be the final rule of the land.

Even with a cons. amend. states would still have the right to implement gay unions, so I say get the Cons. Amend passed, and let each state decide on whether or not to implement the civil union. This is a truly moderate approach to the problem.

[JD3]

And I don't even know if you need an amendment to call it a civil union. I know of little to know opposition to the name. Seems like a lot of money and time spent to provide nothing that isn't already there. JMHO.

[Blueangel]

Originally posted by JD3
So some sort of UNION will be law. It is just a matter of time.;) I don't know if you guys are aware of this but it was the British State Opening of Parliament last wednesday.
The Queen gave a speech to parliament that lays down all the major issues that the government will be debating in the coming term...and gay marriage is one of them.

Surprisingly, the mood of the country is one of acceptance to this move and I'm glad to see it.
The issue that has caused uproar is University top up fees NOT gay marriages.
I'm quite sure that there will be suitable laws in place within 2 years over here so the States will be well behind in the game unless they take these issues on board in the immediate future.

Just be prepared for the gay fraternity to start protesting that Britain has it, so why can't we?

[DRMIZER]

Originally posted by RedWhite&Blue
Time/CNN poll conducted by Harris Interactive. Nov 18-19, 2003 N=1,507 adults nationwide. MoE +/-2.5%

Question "Do you think marriages between homosexual men or between homosexual women should be recognized as legal by the law or not?"

Yes 32%
No 62%
Not Sure 6%

http://www.pollingreport.com/civil.htm

Hmmm....Looks like this isn't just a right wing Republican thing after all! They forgot, DON'T CARE! That's my vote!

[RedWhite&Blue]

Originally posted by DRMIZER
They forgot, DON'T CARE! That's my vote!

Well, you are entitled to that vote. Thankfully, enough people do care and are pushing the no vote/opinion higher.

[Dave]

Better yet can we have just one of the members come forward that got to vote on this. I have always wonder where these people are they survey. I have never been asked question one. What about any of you?

Heck, for all I know, they could just be making up numbers. We do know that they didn't poll all Democrats or all Republicans or else we would have voted.

Conclusion: Polls mislead more than they provide insight.

JMHO

[RedWhite&Blue]

Originally posted by Dave
Better yet can we have just one of the members come forward that got to vote on this. I have always wonder where these people are they survey. I have never been asked question one. What about any of you?

Heck, for all I know, they could just be making up numbers. We do know that they didn't poll all Democrats or all Republicans or else we would have voted.

Conclusion: Polls mislead more than they provide insight.

JMHO

I, as well, have never been asked. I have had some relatives that were asked.

Liberal outlets like Time/CNN never make anything up!!!! Remember CNN, the "most trusted name in news"Only Fox News makes stuff up!!! Yeah, right.

Heck, for all we know your conclusion could be misleading more than it is providing insight.

[JD3]

Well, Fox is fair and balanced. :laughter: :laughter: :laughter: :laughter: :laughter:

[Voice Of Reason]

I bet if you polled republicans the percentage would be over 80% against gay marriage..........

[Chiasmus]

A Constitutional Amendment would be the final law? Don't be absurd! Remember Prohibition?

Also, polls are polls. They are often unreflective of general sentiment. Gay Marriage seems to be picking up steam around the world, in Canada and...oh, I think the Netherlands it is legal. I'm sure other countries are soon to follow. But like JD3 rightly said: the ad populem argument doesn't matter. What this battle comes down to is legal right.

No one is fighting for churches to accept gay marriages. No priest has to marry them; we have separation of church and state for that. Thus, it is a legal issue. We're just affording these people the rights of any other citizen. I don't see what's so wrong with that.

[DRMIZER]

Originally posted by Dave
Better yet can we have just one of the members come forward that got to vote on this. I have always wonder where these people are they survey. I have never been asked question one. What about any of you?

Heck, for all I know, they could just be making up numbers. We do know that they didn't poll all Democrats or all Republicans or else we would have voted.

Conclusion: Polls mislead more than they provide insight.

JMHO I'll have you know you are making too much sense here. STOP IT! :D

[Locke]

uh. those 59% oppose because their husbands are abusive.

[Essendon]

The Prime Minister here has already declared that while he's in Government that there will be no marraiges for gay people.

[up2date]

I just found a poll by the Pew Research Center which puts the number of democrats at 39% in favor and 52% against. This poll also shows that among 18-30 year olds, regardless of party affiliation, the numbers are 45% in favor and 46% opposed. Looks like we see where the trend is going.

That said, it's clear we can probably find different polls with different results. But one thing I believe it will be difficult to disprove about the Pew results is the trend of increasing support with younger voters.

[DRMIZER]

Originally posted by up2date
I just found a poll by the Pew Research Center which puts the number of democrats at 39% in favor and 52% against. This poll also shows that among 18-30 year olds, regardless of party affiliation, the numbers are 45% in favor and 46% opposed. Looks like we see where the trend is going.

That said, it's clear we can probably find different polls with different results. But one thing I believe it will be difficult to disprove about the Pew results is the trend of increasing support with younger voters.

Good info. A Jean Pierre (sp) a French Sociologist wrote a book on changes and it's affect on society. The bottom line is, to which I agree, "All change comes through conflict."