Are Jews the chosen people of God ?

[xexon]

I started this in response to something I saw in another thread.

What are your thoughts on Jews as the "chosen" people ?


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[Blueangel]

I don't hold with any form of elitism but I understand the urge for Jews to feel this way.

It's an interesting subject if dealt with from a purely theological perspective and I sincerely hope that this thread progresses in this manner.

As an agnostic, brought up as a Roman Catholic but with Jewish ancestry, I feel the need to understand and respect all the main faiths whilst not subscribing to any.

[xexon]

Elitism is something that belongs to days past. The modern world has no room for it.

Jews, being an ancient race, have alot of history on their side. Its a difficult task to separate one's history from needs of a modern world.

All great civilizations have thought themselves the center of the universe at one time or another.

All were wrong.



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[Captain America]

I thought that the Republican Right-Wing were god's chosen people. They think they are anyways.:angel: :lol:

[Blueangel]

Originally posted by Captain America
I thought that the Republican Right-Wing were god's chosen people. They think they are anyways.:angel: :lol: :rofl:

[up2date]

Originally posted by Captain America
I thought that the Republican Right-Wing were god's chosen people. They think they are anyways.:angel: :lol: You know, I have seen at least a half dozen times on this board someone make the argument that God wanted Bush to win. Hmmm... :lol:

The view of Jews as the Chosen People comes from the Torah, I believe. I have no problems with Jews feeling this way based on their religious beliefs. But when they use this view to justify preferential treatment in the international community or other similar behavior, that's when it becomes a real issue. They have a right to believe this. They don't have a right to force that view onto others who have a different ideology.

[Voice Of Reason]

I think that God loves Jews and Christians equally.........

[DRMIZER]

Originally posted by up2date
You know, I have seen at least a half dozen times on this board someone make the argument that God wanted Bush to win. Hmmm... :lol:

The view of Jews as the Chosen People comes from the Torah, I believe. I have no problems with Jews feeling this way based on their religious beliefs.
"But when they use this view to justify preferential treatment in the international community or other similar behavior, that's when it becomes a real issue. They have a right to believe this. They don't have a right to force that view onto others who have a different ideology."

I believe we have already crossed that line with the mingling of politics and religion. The US has accepted the role of the world's keeper of the Israelis to insure they are never overthrown by any other nation, or wannabe nation. It has to be the Judea-Christian history and our belief in the New Testiment and in particular the book of Revelations. Nothing else makes sense.

We do not support any other people the way we do the Jews. This is just an observation. I'm not saying whether we should or we shouldn't. It's just the way it is.

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Originally posted by DRMIZER
I believe we have already crossed that line with the mingling of politics and religion. The US has accepted the role of the world's keeper of the Israelis to insure they are never overthrown by any other nation, or wannabe nation. It has to be the Judea-Christian history and our belief in the New Testiment and in particular the book of Revelations. Nothing else makes sense.

We do not support any other people the way we do the Jews. This is just an observation. I'm not saying whether we should or we shouldn't. It's just the way it is. Early on I think that was a reason this nation supported Israel along with the strategic reasons. It wasn't that the U.S. saw Jews as the "Chosen People," but they did give Jews preferential treatment over Muslims. As years have gone by, it's become more a matter of strategy. Public opinion has been shifting away from unilateral support of Israel, and now that we have another base in the region I think we will begin to see a real change in policy.

[Simon666]

Well according to those creationists who apparently take the Old Testament to be interpreted literally and true, then they are by consequence. They usually get dodgy about this. If God created Adam to his image and Jews are God's chosen people, we can deduct God looks like a male semite (Palestinians are semites too by the way).

[Blueangel]

Originally posted by Simon666
If God created Adam to his image and Jews are God's chosen people, we can deduct God looks like a male semite (Palestinians are semites too by the way). This is where I start to have a problem.
We all know what prehistoric man looked like.
Or were they just flawed prototypes? :p

[gopman]

You can't deduct that at all. It's not God's physical image, it's the soul/freewill that is in God's image.

[Simon666]

Originally posted by gopman
You can't deduct that at all. It's not God's physical image, it's the soul/freewill that is in God's image.
It is literally there. (http://bibletools.org//index.cfm/fuseaction/Bible.show/sVerseID/26/eVerseID/26/version/kjv/opt/comm/RTD/cgg)

[gopman]

It's figuratively not there. I don't let internet sources interpret my faith for me, I leave that to myself and my main man JP II.

[xexon]

It is also my understanding that when the bible says we are created in God's image, it is refering to the spiritual essence and not the physical resemblance.

The best way to understanding it is to imagine taking a cup of water out of the ocean. God is the ocean

The cup of water is a human soul. It has all the same qualities of the ocean, but it isn't the ocean.

When the soul returns to God, it is the same as pouring the cup back into the ocean. All difference is removed.

The two have become one.


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[Blueangel]

You have a lovely way of thinking Sir.

[Captain America]

All and all we're just another brick in the wall.










How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?:confused:

[gopman]

I've been wondering that myself.