Where is your Bible (or Torah, or Koran)

[CyNix]

Do you have a Bible (or... Holy Book whatever is may be) cover? I ask because this is a good indicator of how often you use your Bible. (or... your Holy Book, whatever it may be)

[xexon]

I don't need a crutch.

My pilot light is self sustaining. I took my finger off the button, turned the dial, and it stayed lit.


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[CyNix]

I don't need a crutch.

My pilot light is self sustaining. I took my finger off the button, turned the dial, and it stayed lit.

"Crutch"? Are you saying that you need no authority aside from yourself?

[earth]

All my religious books sit on the bookshelf along with all the other fantasy novels.

[xexon]

"Crutch"? Are you saying that you need no authority aside from yourself?

In essence, this is true. Personal responsibility is the beginning of the path.




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[Achilles]

I do not have any holy books in my library. I am mostly interested in biographies, textbooks, reference, and other non-fiction books. ;)

[MikeD4o7]

On my bookshelf.

[cpwill]

daily use.

i find that i am not the wises man to ever exist, nor the one closest to God; and so i see no problem with referencing the Experts.

[mataj]

My holy book is the internet

http://www.cthuugle.com/
http://www.chaosmatrix.org/

http://www.subgenius.com/ "Eternal Salvation or Triple Your Money Back!" Fair enough.

[cpwill]

yeah, but after your dead how do you plan to collect?

[green lantern]

i have a bible on the book shelf.

[The Big Bog]

I have a Bible that was given to my great, great grandmother in 1874 when she was a little girl. It sits on a table in my entry way. No, I don't ever read it but I still think it's special because it's something of a family heirloom.

[mataj]

yeah, but after your dead how do you plan to collect?For that matter- after you are dead, how do you plan to have a good time in heaven?

[GI Joe]

My bible is the US Constitution and it hangs on the wall of my office

[Joe Blow]

Do not own one; haven't picked one up since the age of 12....... :devil:

[Euripedes]

Do not own one; haven't picked one up since the age of 12....... :devil:

and it shows...

Have both a koran and the bible...as well as a book by darwin.

Reading them toghether gives me variety and any "learned" man shouldnt be without at least two of them.

[Slipped Mickey]

Nope for me. Don't need one. We have all the answers within us and they are available if we listen. I have found that people who proof text holy books often worship the books. The words are simply that - words. The message is the only thing that is important.

Pat Robertson knows where his Bible is and probably can quote line and verse but I see that it does him little good. Holy books are not magic ju ju.

[Euripedes]

"Pat Robertson knows where his Bible is and probably can quote line and verse but I see that it does him little good."

The value is not in the book but in how you use them...

The bible is a tool, not a magic potion...You can use it to the worlds detriment like some have or you can use it to create a spirtuality that youll find fufilling and satisfying...

Remember that books are only a mirror, our reaction is the key.

"We have all the answers within us"

Sadly we do not...if that was true dont you think peace would be all we here about in the news slipped?

The bible puts it this way...'do not lean upon your own understanding' .Proverbs3:5-6

Solomon widely held as a wise king put it this way-

It does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his step. —Jeremiah 10:23.

I dont mean to preach but the books words have truth no matter what bible you may happen to read....

[Slipped Mickey]

"Pat Robertson knows where his Bible is and probably can quote line and verse but I see that it does him little good."

The value is not in the book but in how you use them...


Indeed, a holy book does not a holy man make.

The bible is a tool, not a magic potion...You can use it to the worlds detriment like some have or you can use it to create a spirtuality that youll find fufilling and satisfying...

Agreed. I am not saying it bad. It isn't. I am saying that once you understand the message it is of little value.

"We have all the answers within us"

Sadly we do not...if that was true dont you think peace would be all we here about in the news slipped?

No, no. I did not say we understood all the answers I said we have all the answers. We must listen within ourselves. If you have a book and never read it you may possess the vehicle but none of the knowledge in it.

The bible puts it this way...'do not lean upon your own understanding' .Proverbs3:5-6

I agree. Listening to your inner voice is supercedes cognition.

Solomon widely held as a wise king put it this way-

It does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his step. —Jeremiah 10:23.

See above.

I dont mean to preach but the books words have truth no matter what bible you may happen to read....
No argument there. Once you learn truth why is it necessary to relearn the same truth.

The Buddha compares it to a carrying a boat around. The boat is necessary to cross a body of water - knowledge. Once you reach cross the sea of knowledge if you continue to carry the boat it is a burden, not a help. It is not necessary.

[Euripedes]

"The Buddha compares it to a carrying a boat around. The boat is necessary to cross a body of water - knowledge. Once you reach cross the sea of knowledge if you continue to carry the boat it is a burden, not a help. It is not necessary."

Wow a cross religous debate how interesting...

The bible and the Korean were both written with the same purpose...to give order to our world and to create a construct of a stable society...Some try to say it was done to consilidate power...but if that was true why did the catholic church not allowing printings of the bible? Simple men attempted to use the wisew words within to become powerful...and the very teachings of the book would dilute and remove thier power...

The bible and other holy books should not be thrown away like trash rather they are immortally important to our culture...I cant argue matter of faith because its impossible..but I truly believe if many more people new the magnitude of information within the bible...the hundreds of examples, prophecies, events, and people we would live in a better society...

[Slipped Mickey]

I don't want you to misunderstand me. I think holy books should be valued. It helps to read them until you've learned the lessons they teach - not to be confused with living the lessons they teach, that's not as easy. In no way am I saying that holy books should be trashed.

[cpwill]

and it shows...

Have both a koran and the bible...as well as a book by darwin.

Reading them toghether gives me variety and any "learned" man shouldnt be without at least two of them.

read the last chapter of that darwin book?

[Michele]

I only recently acquired the bible am now reading deuteronomy... very interesting chapter too especially in light of all the war-like qu'anic verse that was dropped on the forum... for it seems for the people god chose (even though moses had to go up to the mountain twice and god does not seem all that pleased with the actions of the people he chose --- not yet in this chapter anyway) yet it seems god himself destroyed two whole kingdoms in the desert for these people he chose without batting an eye over the killing of civilians. God destroyed in total men women and children.

so much for holy books - eh? Anyway I also have the Nag Hammadi and various texts on Hinduism as well as books on the spiritual path, traditions and rituals of the Sioux native american tribes...

I do not believe it is the words or even any one interpretation of the message, as it is clear to me the message is lost in our time particularly being a member of a country that waxes from the christian side can't say I have detected those the most christian have actually grasped the teachings of Jesus Christ although they do follow the stat interpretations. I haven't detected that much personal interaction with the words...

So far I haven't really read from the bible anything I didn't already know myself... but that is as any word of man really goes particularly if they believe it endowed by God with no outward acknowledgement of the politics that are as equally as evident. (the interpretations are not godly in my mind they are fallible in that they are mortal, and of those who feel themselves most righteous --- in deuteronomy it says God did not chose the Israelites because he felt them the most righteous anyway but just the lesser of all the known evil although it seems they at the time were not very good at following God's word). I prefer to engage without being interferred with especially if one is going to start preaching with regard to who is the most or the truest of them all... I really do feel people should keep that to themselves... we all have our own paths to find in our own way... and I have been on mine without any of the good books.

as for the Qu'ran. I only fell upon that via the internet in an attempt to verify those versus out of context. I have read the historical introductions to two of the books thus far rather than all of the verse itself. What I believe is a dead give away as to the fallacy of all of them (the three monotheistic ones I mean) is the fact that while they all appear reverent with regard to a God, great descrepancies are evident in the historic accounts... this is human error which speaks loudly not of the divine but of human nature... wherein all forms of that nature are evident in all three books... yet the fact that they do not wish to reconcile speaks volumes toward not the divine but the corrupted.

This is one of the main reasons I much rather take from them all what feds me rather than to adher to any one over the other.

[jamesrage]

I have a bible it sits on my table except for when I read it.I also have a bible database on my computer which I got for free,it has the King james,Webster's,Jewish publication society 1917,Douay-Rehims,Young's literal translation,Bible in basic english,Weymouth New testament,Darby English Bible, and Wycliffe new Testament and King James version 2. I could download other versions in other languages but I do not read other languages.A few other versions are avialible but those are not public domain and a fee would be required for download.

[Joe Blow]

and it shows...



Why thank you.....
I'd hate to be mistaken for one of the masses, following blindy along to the beat of a 3500 year old novel.

[Michele]

I have a bible it sits on my table except for when I read it.I also have a bible database on my computer which I got for free,it has the King james,Webster's,Jewish publication society 1917,Douay-Rehims,Young's literal translation,Bible in basic english,Weymouth New testament,Darby English Bible, and Wycliffe new Testament and King James version 2. I could download other versions in other languages but I do not read other languages.A few other versions are avialible but those are not public domain and a fee would be required for download.

all that Judeo Christian divinity and who was it you were saying you hated in that thread? was it the one in the Society forum?

[earth]

"We have all the answers within us"

Sadly we do not...if that was true dont you think peace would be all we here about in the news slipped?

I have to agree with DM that we do all have the answers inside off of us. I'm a firm believer that all of us are God in some part. All of us retain the ability to be the best or the worst that we can be it is only our choices that set our path.

I think that you are seriously underestimating the stupidity of 90% of the population by saying we do not have all the answers within us. The majority of the population are nothing but glorified "yes-men" that will follow anything.

In the displacement of religion over the past 100+ years we have seen the followers pop up in other areas.

We now have people worshipping the Nasdaq, DOW, companies, sports teams, movie stars, etc. The majority of people are idiots. The majority of people want to be led, they do not want to lead. This was one major reason for the advent of religion in the first place (argueably).

[Michele]

We now have people worshipping the Nasdaq, DOW, companies,

yes this is called worshiping at the altar of mammon.. and it is what keeps the elitists untouched by our media... they remain above it since the order or the totem really hasn't changed much since WWII... and with the majority brainwashed by consumerism and keeping up with the jones or what I guess we call the seduction of the American dream wherein now the work force has shifted to underdeveloped countries as Americans are made to adjust.... the altar of mammon goes against the very message of what is considered godly.

money and power are they not false idols?

[JD3]

No cover. I don't worship books. Love words and language. All my books, including my Bible are worn and used. I get new ones often. ;)

[jamesrage]

all that Judeo Christian divinity and who was it you were saying you hated in that thread? was it the one in the Society forum?

I hate these people because I feel that they are responsible for starting the decline of moral values our country.Yes I am wrong for hating these people.

[earth]

yes this is called worshiping at the altar of mammon.. and it is what keeps the elitists untouched by our media... they remain above it since the order or the totem really hasn't changed much since WWII... and with the majority brainwashed by consumerism and keeping up with the jones or what I guess we call the seduction of the American dream wherein now the work force has shifted to underdeveloped countries as Americans are made to adjust.... the altar of mammon goes against the very message of what is considered godly.

money and power are they not false idols?

Well put Michele and I have to say yes, money + power are false idols. Teenage girls worshipping Brad Pitt for example. Someone who constantly checks their bank account for another example. I wrote an essay in high school on religion. In the end, I came to the conclusion that although religion was, in my eyes, a tool of business. Were it removed something else would merely take it's place. Hence todays society. We worship everything. Nike is one of a multi-headed God.

Note to everyone:

On the topic of religion has anyone looked at it in a design situation? Here we have something that was created thousands of years ago, but look at the branding.

Religion: cross (logo), jesus (spokesperson) and a religion (product).

Nike: swoosh (logo), NBA Star (spokesperson) and shoes (product).

Well aren't we a ****ed up species eh? Talk about a business plan. Best thing is, religions customers are much more loyal. haHA

[cpwill]

actually, religion isn't the product. the problem with your logic is that the product is free; i gain nothing by your salvation except a brother and perhaps a friend.

[2ruballa]

If money and power are false idols, what then are true idols?

[2ruballa]

Anything that is worshipped other than God is an idol. Therefore, money and power can be considered TRUE idols.

God is a false idol, becaue he isn't an idol. lol

[2ruballa]

My Bible sits on my living room table. It doesn't have a cover, but is black leatherish. I take time to read it at least once every other day or so.

[earth]

actually, religion isn't the product. the problem with your logic is that the product is free; i gain nothing by your salvation except a brother and perhaps a friend.

I don't view religion as free though. What's with the charity plate that get's passed around during mass? In all honesty, money or no, religion is a business. Catholocism's head office is it's own country. Let's see Walmart do that.

[mahayana]

Though there is no way to verify it, due to governments not requiring taxes or accounting from religions, I think it's a safe bet that the Catholic Chiurch owns more property than any corporation.

[Xia]

Originally posted by earth

All my religious books sit on the bookshelf along with all the other fantasy novels.

Very well put, I like it, I think I shall put mine there to. You really described how I'm starting to look at the whole bible deal. Because what makes the Bible anymore real then what the stories of Hades and Thor were to the people who believed in those kind of gods? Just because it is more "up-to-date" does that make it true?

[earth]

Very well put, I like it, I think I shall put mine there to. You really described how I'm starting to look at the whole bible deal. Because what makes the Bible anymore real then what the stories of Hades and Thor were to the people who believed in those kind of gods? Just because it is more "up-to-date" does that make it true?

Scholars + Archeologists are finding more and more proof that the events that took place in Greek + Roman mythology are based on fact. Are we to all start worshipping Zues now?

Religion was, and always was, a pissing match to see how many people can believe our God. Religion is a farce. Faith is everything.

[Xia]

I couldn't agree more. And that bit on mythology. Do you happen to have any links to some of those articles? I'd be interested to read them.

[earth]

http://homepage.mac.com/cparada/GML/IsItTrue.html

http://faculty.gvsu.edu/websterm/Greekhistory&gods.htm

It's actually quite easy to find a lot of info just by google searching on Greek / Roman Mythology + Archeology.

[mahayana]

Looking back at the original topic here, I'd say that I don't worship any of the holy books in my library. Each is full of stories and verses that give great insight into the cultures they came from (these are some of the oldest germinal texts that are easilly available to everyone), but none of them are without warts and incomprehensible aspects. It is intellectually invaluable to read these works, so you understand the context when someone says "We believe..."

This is why the Koran is a best-seller in America today, people trying to understand. There is another thread "dis"-ing Islam, and that's what skimming through that book will get you. Like the Bible, statistics, any authority...you can make a case for anything with a book of quotes. But within any religion (or outside of religion as well) are people trying to decide the right way to live, young seekers and old conservatives.

Are religions guilty of indoctrination? Sure. Are all people fools? No. Is there truth in the Books? Yes. Will memorizing and conforming make you wise, give you eternal life? I doubt it.

[Craig]

My copy of the Bible is stuffed in a box with a number of other books, waiting to be transported back up to university for the fall. So far, when I have used my Bible, it has been to reference a quote from a religious discussion on a forum. I should probably read through it, if nothing more than to help me with religious allusions made in English Literature.

[cpwill]

I don't view religion as free though.

well, it's not.

What's with the charity plate that get's passed around during mass?

it's completely voluntary; give as you feel led.

[Sandy Price]

I keep my bible and Torah in the same section of my library that I keep my many books on King Arthur. Fiction!!

[Captain America]

I keep my bible and Torah in the same section of my library that I keep my many books on King Arthur. Fiction!!

I suppose that's better than keeping it beside the toilet. That's what Sears Roebuck catalogs are made for. You never know when you'll run out. :lol:

[mahayana]

Hey, I took my Bible to work yesterday, to share Luke 6, 20-38 with an old man who comes to visit every day. "Work hard, treat people fair, and love the Lord" is his mantra. I just wanted him to think about his miserly and manipulative ways. God, how he hates being unappreciated by people he has tried to help ( he's in his 80s and having dizzy spells, worrying about that last tap on the shoulder).

[Relient Halo]

My Bible? It's by my night stand or on my computer desk, always at arms length in my room. But there I go again, bleeting like the sheep I am... bwaaaahhhhh!!!