Black leader supports Cincinnati cops

[NetxMan]

The Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson, author of "Scam: How the Black Leadership Exploits Black America," has spoken out in support of Cincinnati police in the wake of a video-taped altercation with a 350-pound black arrestee who later died.

Nathaniel Jones, 41, who resisted arrest early Sunday morning, was found to have cocaine and PCP in his system, officials said. He also had an enlarged heart. It took six officers to bring the suspect under submission using their batons.

Demanding the Cincinnati police chief be fired, some black activists are alleging police brutality.

Peterson disagrees.

"It's clear based on the video released that the suspect attacked the police and the officers used adequate force to subdue the man," Peterson said. "At this point, there's no evidence that the police were responsible for the man's death. The officers were doing their job, and the citizens of Cincinnati should support these men. The so-called black leaders and activists calling this 'police brutality' are inciting a riot."

Two-and-a-half years ago, the city suffered three nights of riots after a police officer shot an unarmed black man in a dark alley.

Calvert Smith, president of the Cincinnati chapter of the NAACP, spoke out against the police.

"If proper police procedure means that you can use that kind of force to clobber people who are clearly disarmed, there is something wrong," he told the Cincinnati Enquirer.

The officers involved have been placed on leave pending an investigation of the incident.

[JD3]

What was somewhat refreshing tonight on Hardball the lawyer defending the guy who died isn't arguing race either. His concern is that they waited too long after he stopped breathing to begin CPR.

Now I don't think from what I've seen that they did anything wrong, but I did find that specific interview a nice change from the same rhethoric.

[Missouri Mule]

I gotta tell you. I think the cops went way overboard on this. Another black eye for the cops.

[Captain America]

Cops are trained to control the situation. It's a tough call. Was the guy attacking or defending? Can one defend oneself when the cops are killing them? Grey area...

If I had to kill a cop to save my life, I would still go to jail or fry. You can't win.

[Blueangel]

Originally posted by JD3
His concern is that they waited too long after he stopped breathing to begin CPR. If that turns out to be the facts of the case, they are definately culpable and I hope the law throws the book at them.

[Captain America]

Like I said, I bet a dollar to a donut that the cops walk scott free. They most always do. Any takers?

[JD3]

The thing I question is that he wasn't really a threat to anyone at the time. He was definitely stoned and the call was originally a medical call.

I guess what I am saying is that helping someone by killing them seems excessive. I think sometimes the best action is no action.

I'd like to see how we got to what is on the tape. They may have been able to call a friend or soemthing to get him. I really don't know.

But once the fight began, it didn't seem as if they were excessively brutal.

That said, if he wasn't breathing for the 3 minutes the defense claims before they did anything, I would question that as well.

[Locke]

I really don't see how it is all the cops fault, and I think they should walk "scott free". They did what cops do. They didn't murder the guy! I mean, seriously, the guy was on PCP and cocaine at the time, and he weighed 390 pounds with an enlarged heart. He's gonna die of a heart attack eventually, and with the exercise he obviously hasn't had for years, in trying to beat police officers (he hit one in the head), he had one. It's as much, if not more, his fault than theirs for being on the drugs in the first place, without them he wouldn't have been so agressive, probably. And, the only injuries sustained from the cops were some bruises on his legs.

I mean, really, anyone standing in front of a White Castle is gonna die of heart problems, hehe.

It isn't the cops fault at all, in my opinion. How can they be blamed?

[Captain America]

How can they be blamed?

Oh they won't be. I can assure you of that.

[DRMIZER]

Originally posted by Missouri Mule
I gotta tell you. I think the cops went way overboard on this. Another black eye for the cops.

Agreed. If this beating by 6 cops, followed by death wasn't too much, then what the hell is?

These good ole boys are out of control. They have a badge and a gun. It doesn't give 6 of them them the right to beat someone to death.

If 6 "trained" policemen cannot control 1- 350 pound man without killing him, they should all be fired and tried for manslaughter. After all, that's what it was. . . . .manslaughter!

[DRMIZER]

Originally posted by Captain America
Like I said, I bet a dollar to a donut that the cops walk scott free. They most always do. Any takers?

I'd bet you but I like donuts.

[Captain America]

I'd bet you but I like donuts.

Have you ever thought about a career in law-enforcement?

[Locke]

Alright, you are all killing me!! How can you ay something incredibly stupid like "if 6 polcemen cant control a 350 pound man, blah blah blah", then you obviously have no idea about the situation. Firstly, is it ok to punch police officers in the face? And, there were 2 policemen at first, anyways. and, if thy have a "badge and a gun" and they really wanted to hurt him why didnt they shoot him in the face or leg or something? And, the ONLY racist comment was from the black man, calling police officers "crackers" and "white boys". Tell me that I'm wrong. Come on, bring it.

[DRMIZER]

Originally posted by Locke
Alright, you are all killing me!! How can you ay something incredibly stupid like "if 6 polcemen cant control a 350 pound man, blah blah blah", then you obviously have no idea about the situation. Firstly, is it ok to punch police officers in the face? And, there were 2 policemen at first, anyways. and, if thy have a "badge and a gun" and they really wanted to hurt him why didnt they shoot him in the face or leg or something? And, the ONLY racist comment was from the black man, calling police officers "crackers" and "white boys". Tell me that I'm wrong. Come on, bring it.

Okay, On another thread here I had outlined my background. And now, just for you. . . . .

I was a defensive tactics instructor for the federal, state, county and municipalities for more than 20 years. The techniques I saw used in that video were never instructed in any of my classes or classes of any other instructor I know of.

And, you noticed I stated in my last post "trained".

Now, my man, it's your turn to bring it on!

[Voice Of Reason]

Sadly the police are in a no win situation.........

[DRMIZER]

This para-military dress and thinking is scarey. There is no reason for it. Police must use discrimination in their jobs. One shoe fits all. Citizens get the same treatment if they are a murderer, druggie, or speeding driver.

Trust me. This will come to an end. As many of them think, it isn't us against them. . . . . . yet.