The bible not only condones this but encourages it.

[Captain America]

AMERICAN-STATESMAN STAFF

Thursday, December 4, 2003

The shocking pictures showed a large area of a boy's back reduced to red pulp from the beating. A prosecutor showed the photographs during the trial Thursday of Joshua and Caleb Thompson, twin brothers who are charged with aggravated assault and injury to a child.

Joshua Thompson is accused of beating 12-year-old Louie Guerrero and Caleb Thompson is accused of holding the boy down.

Guerrero testified Wednesday that he was beaten about 100 times with two tree branches for goofing off at a Bible class at the Capitol City Baptist Church. Joshua Thompson was a pastor for a Spanish-speaking congregation that met at the church.

The pictures shown during the trial Thursday were taken at Children's Hospital of Austin, where Guerrero spent five days in intensive care after he was beaten.

One of Joshua Thompson's attorneys, Gerry Goldstein, of San Antonio, later showed the jury other pictures taken at the hospital, which indicated that Guerrero had recovered quickly.

Goldstein also said that Guerrero's family had hired a lawyer to file a $25 million civil lawsuit against the Thompsons while Louie Guerrero was still in the hospital, and that they had asked for and received hundreds of dollars from the church on previous occasions, including money for their marriage and for a sick relative, Goldstein said.

Guerrero's father, Genevevo Arellano, even asked the church for $2,000, Goldstein said. The lawyer did not say what the money was for.

Goldstein questioned Arellano heavily about whether Arellano had ever asked Joshua Thompson or his father, Hank Thompson, to discipline Guerrero. Goldstein had said in his opening arguments Wednesday that Arellano had begged Joshua Thompson to discipline his son.

Arellano testified Thursday that he had never made such a request.

"It is a huge lie," Arellano said.

He said he had only asked Hank Thompson, a pastor at Capitol City Baptist Church, for counseling on how to get Louie Guerrero to behave in school.

Arellano also denied that he had told a member of the church the morning before the beating that he had disciplined his son the night before.

When Joshua Thompson brought Louie home after the beating later that day, he told Arellano that "he tried to get the devil out, but he wasn't able to," Arellano said.

Louie Guerrero was pale and couldn't stand up when Joshua Thompson pulled him out of the car, but Thompson said the boy was "faking it," Arellano said.

[ranger]

I see nothing in your post pointing to the Bible. Where is this encouraged?

[Captain America]

Well, for starters, turn in your hymnal to page 216 and stand as we sing, "Jesus Loves the Little Children."

Brethren, now turn with me to Deuteronomy, chapter 21 verses 18-21 where it is written: If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him, 19 his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town. 20 They shall say to the elders, "This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a profligate and a drunkard." 21 Then all the men of his town shall stone him to death. You must purge the evil from among you. All Israel will hear of it and be afraid.

Now, go with me to Exodus 21:17 where the word of God tells us:
"Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.

And should you ever raise a hand to thy mother or father, it is God's Word that we:

"Anyone who attacks [3] his father or his mother must be put to death. Exodus 21:15

And if any of you heathens have any doubts about our glorious leader, President Bush, and his holy annointing, I refer you to Psalms 137:9 wherein it is written: O Daughter of Babylon, doomed to destruction, happy is he who repays you
for what you have done to us-
he who seizes your infants
and dashes them against the rocks.

Now, let us make a joyful noise unto the Lord, our loving God, everyone stand.

Jesus loves the little children, all the children of the world. red and yellow, black and white, they are precious in His sight, Jesus loves the little children of the world" :angel:

[ranger]

Originally posted by Captain America

And if any of you heathens have any doubts about our glorious leader, President Bush, and his holy annointing, I refer you to Psalms 137:9 wherein it is written: O Daughter of Babylon, doomed to destruction, happy is he who repays you
for what you have done to us-
he who seizes your infants
and dashes them against the rocks.

Now, let us make a joyful noise unto the Lord, our loving God, everyone stand.

Jesus loves the little children, all the children of the world. red and yellow, black and white, they are precious in His sight, Jesus loves the little children of the world" :angel: [/B]

I was with you until:

Psalm 137

Confitebor tibi.

Thanksgiving to God for his benefits.

1
For David himself. I will praise thee, O Lord, with my whole heart: for thou hast heard the words of my mouth. I will sing praise to thee in the sight of the angels:

2
I will worship towards thy holy temple, and I will give glory to thy name. For thy mercy, and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy holy name above all.

3
In what day soever I shall call upon thee, hear me: thou shalt multiply strength in my soul.

4
May all the kings of the earth give glory to thee: for they have heard all the words of thy mouth.

5
And let them sing in the ways of the Lord: for great is the glory of the Lord.

6
For the Lord is high, and looketh on the low: and the high he knoweth afar off.

7
If I shall walk in the midst of tribulation, thou wilt quicken me: and thou hast stretched forth thy hand against the wrath of my enemies: and thy right hand hath saved me.

8
The Lord will repay for me: thy mercy, O Lord, endureth for ever: O despise not the works of thy hands.

No number 9. Sorry

You quote from Old Testament Jewish law. The law of that time.

Jesus came and showed Christians how to behave.

Sounds like the folks from the Baptist church you mention not only sinned and broke Jesus Law, they also broke man's law. You will not find 2 Christians on this board that would condone this behavior.

[Captain America]

So, God's law isn't Jesus's law? I thought they believed Jesus was God?? I'm getting confused here:confused: So Jesus is saying, "Forget what God said, that doesn't apply to you anymore?" But if he is God.... then he is saying, "Nevermind, I screwed up...forget the old testament...What I MEANT to say was...." Well that's all fine and good but how come the old testament applies when it is convenient and when it isn't Jesus plays the trump card?

Oh well, it doesn't matter. We might as well be debating Little Red Riding Hood or Billy Goats Gruff. Myths and legends are exactly that.

[DRMIZER]

Originally posted by ranger
I see nothing in your post pointing to the Bible. Where is this encouraged?

The names convinced me. . .Joshua and Caleb. . . .kind of says it all, if you get my drift.

I was raised by a back-woods country, bible-believing grandmother who would tear my arse up for the smallest thing. (That was before the times when it was against man's laws.) A good slap across the chops would usually hash me up.

Remember, "Spare the rod and spoil the child." If there's one thing I ain't, it's SPOILED! Praise God.

[Captain America]

Yes, I do not know what happened to society. The more time that passes by, the less we are allowed to beat our children. What is this world coming to? :rolleyes:

And just look at them! Baggy pants. Funny hair-do's. Beat 'em! Beat 'em, I say! It's God's law that we beat the holy hell out of them. Who is society to question the LAWD GAWD ALMIGHTY???

:laughter:

[NetxMan]

I beat my children daily. Just for fun......

Ok, I am kidding, but my parents were never shy about making me pull my pants down, showing my naked ars and giving it a good whipping. I will spank my kids justly until they are at the age where it is no longer needed.

Society, I have privately studied corporal punishment in American society and I think you will find an interesting parallel with school shootings and similar behavior with the absence of corporal punishment at home and school.

Growing up in my neighbor hood, any parent could spank your ars if you were out of line. Sad we can't do that anymore.

[Captain America]

I agree that with the fact that, when corporal punishment went away in our schools, marked the beginning of a lot of youth gone wild. Many classrooms today cannot present a proper learning environment as most of the classtime is spent in verbal correction and "dicipline" rather than teaching. Todays teachers are more referees than teachers in many places. Especially inner-cities. Their classrooms are impossible.

However, on the other side of the coin, I do remember my coaches paddling us 8th and 9th grade boys just to "toughen us up." I remember the "macho" boys lining up to see who could take the most swats before tears would come to their eyes. the coaches would do the swinging. The school handbook clearly stated that all corporal punishment was to be administered in the principals's office but that didn't mean a thing. We would be coming out of the showers, still wet, and from nowhere would come an oak paddle across our ars. They got off on that kinda stuff. Those kind of teachers are sick and if they did that today they would all be prisoners.

I just wish there was a happy medium where dicipline, a kind that kids respect, could be allowed back into our schools and even homes.

[Simon666]

Originally posted by Captain America
Well that's all fine and good but how come the old testament applies when it is convenient and when it isn't Jesus plays the trump card?
Good one, I've been confronted with that all along.

[cpwill]

Originally posted by Captain America
So, God's law isn't Jesus's law?

no, what you are doing is confusing ancient jewish societal law with the true Law. this, in fact, is the exact same mistake that the jews made, which is one of the reasons Jesus came in the first place. [/B][/QUOTE]

there's alot more historical evidence for the existance of Jesus than you seem to think. the debate is not whether or not he existed; it's whether or not he was actually the son of God.

[Captain America]

I have no doubt that the myth of Christ was lain at the feet of a person that actually existed. Three hundred years after the fact. The Talmud records him as J'shua ben Panthera, the offspring of a Roman soldier. The Qumrans, a different sect of jews called him Y'shua ben Yehweh, but actually believed that James, his brother, "James the Just" was the true messiah. However, Constitine and the scholars/powers that be, decided that Y'shua would be the figurehead of their new religion.

Son of God debate? I think first and foremost one would debate the existance of "God" as it is written before bothering to debate whether there was a son or not. The chicken must exist before the egg. Or maybe not? That in itself is an age-old question.

[cpwill]

try closer to thirty years after the fact.
the qumrans didn't believe that james was the messiah in that they did not follow him as in james was an early leader of the church in jerusalem.

the existance of God is non-debatable; it is impossible to prove that He doesn't, just as it would be impossible for me to prove to you that He does if you are not willing to accept.

as for the chicken/egg thing; i figured that one out along time ago; it was the egg first.

[Simon666]

Originally posted by cpwill
as for the chicken/egg thing; i figured that one out along time ago; it was the egg first.
A bit off topic, I'm intrigued by this: how do you come to this?

[Captain America]

I would suggest that he look back into the Qumrans and what they believed. It is said that James was also Barabba's. The "criminal" freed on the "jewish holiday" (which never existed) in the new testament, according to the story, was Barabba's (son of the father). The crowd voted to free him rather than Y'shua (Jesus the Christ) because according to the Qumran scrools, they felt that he was the messiah. He was improsoned for killing a twelve year old for blasphemy. If the story is true (which so far, it has been proven to have many holes) James was released, and Jesus (Y'shua) was crucified. That is the reason he was released, they worshipped him.

The egg? Why not?:laughter:

[cpwill]

Originally posted by Simon666
A bit off topic, I'm intrigued by this: how do you come to this?

aren't you the one who's always arguing evolution against "creationist" science?;)

Captain America: except that the crowd that demanded the release of barrabbas (for whom no motive is given for his murder, simply that he was a murderer, and something in my doubts that the writers of the New Testament would label someone they later declare to be the leader of the early church a murderer) was in jerusalem, and was being influenced by the sadducees, not by the essenes (who never came into jerusalem). when one considers the fact that the sadducees had no messiah-theme within their halakuh, and were diametrically (and often violently) opposed to everything the essenes were and stood for (a favor which the essenes returned wholeheartedly) it becomes highly doubtful that they would worship a nazorite essene.

if your' looking for a sect that was likley to be agitating for a messiah within jerusalem at that time period i'd suggest you try the zealots. but as they had already made clear their choice (they thought jesus was going to boot out the romans), you'll have a tricky time of it.

[Simon666]

Originally posted by cpwill
aren't you the one who's always arguing evolution against "creationist" science?;)
Yes, so?