God Instructs the President

[snappy]

"God told me to strike at al-Qaida and I struck them; then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did; and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me I will act." GW Bush

If Dubya really believes this, I suspect that he is mentally ill.

[Blueangel]

I know for a fact that if Blair had said the same, he would no longer be in office.

[snappy]

If I posted on this board that God instructed me to kill a few of my neighbors. Would I be praised?

[Vic]

whats even worse is that there are other people that actually believe that bush has been instructed by god.

[snappy]

I am glad that I don't know any. :)

[cpwill]

you do now:)

[Daslib]

Originally posted by snappy
"God told me to strike at al-Qaida and I struck them; then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did; and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me I will act." GW Bush

:lol::thinking::rofl:

comments like that would normally land people on the psych floor of their local mental hospital

[cpwill]

personally i don't see why ya'll are so upset that he's praying prior to taking these actions; it makes me feel alot better.

[Blueangel]

It scares me from the point of view that he doesn't accept full responsibility for his own actions and decisions.
That is a dangerous precedent for and World leader to set and I find it just as offensive and worrying as Islamic groups claiming that their actions are 'Allah's will'.

Surely you can see the comparison?

It's shows the same lack of personal responsibility, just from a different angle and religious belief.

[uglybastard]

ba said, 'accept full responsibility for his own actions and decisions.'

When a politician speaks of God, I'm a little skeptical. I think a lot of this is aimed at a particular constituancy.

Politics is dirty and very much of this world.

[DRMIZER]

Originally posted by snappy
If I posted on this board that God instructed me to kill a few of my neighbors. Would I be praised?
I guess you would by those who follow the Bush-licker. Oh, that only applies to him. . . . .he was "appointed" by crazy people who believe he as a "direct" link..

[DRMIZER]

Originally posted by snappy
"God told me to strike at al-Qaida and I struck them; then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did; and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me I will act." GW Bush

If Dubya really believes this, I suspect that he is mentally ill.

He's just as mentally ill as the rest of this world's leaders who believe they have a direct "communication" with God.

Remember, more wars have been fought in the name of God than any other reason in history. Dubya proves it once more. You know why?

My God's better than yours! Just as Osama yo Mama.

[DRMIZER]

Originally posted by cpwill
personally i don't see why ya'll are so upset that he's praying prior to taking these actions; it makes me feel alot better.
Praying doesn't bother me. . . .It's the "answers" he seems to get that bothers me a lot.

[cpwill]

Originally posted by Blueangel
It scares me from the point of view that he doesn't accept full responsibility for his own actions and decisions.

when did he ever say he wasn't willing to accept responsibility for his actions? that's not what prayer means at all.

Dr.Mizer; you don't mind if he talks to God so long as God doesn't talk to him?:confused:
or you just don't like what bush is doing, so therefore you think it can't be the will of God, so therefore if bush thinks that God is supporting him then bush must be crazy?

[KWJams]

Originally posted by snappy
"God told me to strike at al-Qaida and I struck them; then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did; and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me I will act." GW Bush

If Dubya really believes this, I suspect that he is mentally ill.

Snappy :) Can you provide us with links to where he made these comments please. :D

Not that I don't trust you, but those are pretty outrageous statements for any President to make.

[snappy]

It's one thing to pray to a god. It's a whole other matter to claim that a god instructs to go kill people. See the diference? Dubya also said when asked who his fave philosopher is that he replied it is Jesus. Anyone really think that Dubya follows the teachings of Jesus?

Note: I don't make quotes up. I will back with the link.

[KWJams]

Cool, I will be waiting to read it :D

[snappy]

Sorry, haven't found the exact direct link to the statement, yet but this is close.

http://www.dailymirror.lk/inside/worldw/030704.html

[KWJams]

That's it? :confused:

Under cover of Bush's roadmap
By Ameen Izzadeen
It is not only oil that plays a pivotal role in West Asian politics. Religion, too, plays a major role in the shaping of events in West Asia. A recent article in Haaretz, an Israeli newspaper, quoted Palestinian Prime Minister Mahmood Abbas as saying during a meeting with leaders of various Palestinian factions that President Bush told him that God ordered him to wipe out Al-Qaeda and Saddam and solve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.


There is little difference between the Ayatollahs in Iran and Iraq and President George W. Bush because both try to interpret politics in terms of divine scriptures.


If what the Haaretz article said is correct, then there is hope on the horizon for an early settlement. The roadmap the United States submitted should make progress. But can it?


I thought that President Bush made those comments --- you don't expect anyone to take second hand comments as being a credible source do you?

[Voice Of Reason]

Originally posted by snappy
"God told me to strike at al-Qaida and I struck them; then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did; and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me I will act." GW Bush

If Dubya really believes this, I suspect that he is mentally ill.

Can you please cite a reference for these lies?

[snappy]

I will now look or other links. Even if I find direct quotes, I suspect that Right Wing Christian Zealots will whine that someone made them up. This is the pattern of Right Wing Zealots. They say anything to back up their fanatical beliefs. I have witnessed them bald face lying on many occasions. Links needed to back that up? OK.

[KWJams]

Originally posted by snappy
I will now look or other links. Even if I find direct quotes, I suspect that Right Wing Christian Zealots will whine that someone made them up. This is the pattern of Right Wing Zealots. They say anything to back up their fanatical beliefs. I have witnessed them bald face lying on many occasions. Links needed to back that up? OK.

Frankly snappy I don't not know which is worse -- right wing zealots -- or left wing wacko's making up stories and trying to pass them off as fact. ;)

[up2date]

First, I think the other members will verify that I am no "Right Wing Christian Zealot." Now, the quote didn't sound right to me, so I searched for it also. It came up quite a few times, but in each case it was from a questionable source. Then I found it in the Washington Post, which I am sure we can all agree is credible. Here's what they said: Imagine our surprise Wednesday to read in the Israeli paper Haaretz (online), that Palestinian Authority Prime Minister Abu Mazen, meeting recently with militants to enlist their support for a truce with Israel, said that, when they met in Aqaba, President Bush had told him this: " God told me to strike at al Qaeda and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam [ Hussein], which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them."

So who needs to find WMD or a link with al Qaeda when the orders come from The Highest Authority?

Two calls to the White House for clarification went unreturned, but colleague Glenn Kessler did some digging. The Haaretz reporter, Arnon Regular, read what the paper said were minutes of the Palestinians' meeting to Kessler and another colleague, who is an Arabic speaker.

The Arabic-speaking colleague's translation, was this: "God inspired me to hit al Qaeda, and so I hit it. And I had the inspiration to hit Saddam, and so I hit him. Now I am determined to solve the Middle East problem if you help. Otherwise the elections will come and I will be wrapped up with them."

Even then, there's uncertainty. After all, this is Abu Mazen's account in Arabic of what Bush said in English, written down by a note-taker in Arabic, then back into English. I think we can dismiss this as a misquote, and probably a deliberate one. :rolleyes: It has no weight.

[snappy]

According to Abbas, immediately thereafter Bush said: "God told me to strike at al Qaida and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them."


http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=310788&contrassID=2&subContrassID=1&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y

[KWJams]

Thank you - that I can understand - Case closed. ;)

[DRMIZER]

Originally posted by cpwill
when did he ever say he wasn't willing to accept responsibility for his actions? that's not what prayer means at all.

Dr.Mizer; you don't mind if he talks to God so long as God doesn't talk to him?:confused:
or you just don't like what bush is doing, so therefore you think it can't be the will of God, so therefore if bush thinks that God is supporting him then bush must be crazy?

you don't mind if he talks to God so long as God doesn't talk to him? This correct. It really bothers me when people tell me that God talked to them. That really sets them out to be special and I don't think God communicates that way. If he did, we could avoid all this bloodshed in the beginning.

I think any world leader who believes God supports him, particularly in war is nuts. Same old thing. . . .My God is better than your God. . . . .

Oh, I do know what prayer "means".

[summer]

I am not absolutley sure that GW said that "God told him to strike, etc."

It's said that He has been careful not to say that God "told" him

[redwards]

I don't mind at all if Bush takes instruction directly from God, so long as he records the conversation so that he can prove to us all that an almighty being has instructed him in his actions. Wouldn't want him to exaggerate or anything, ya know? :rolleyes:

[redwards]

Originally posted by DRMIZER
I think any world leader who believes God supports him, particularly in war is nuts. Same old thing. . . .My God is better than your God. . . . .


You're missing the more modern, George Carlin approach to the conflict. It's now, "My God has a bigger **** than your God."

[cxepwn]

Originally posted by cpwill
you do now:)


..you are seriously twisted if you believe that God instructs Bush..


..are you in one of those 'endtime cults'?

[cxepwn]

Originally posted by redwards
You're missing the more modern, George Carlin approach to the conflict. It's now, "My God has a bigger **** than your God."


..sort of like.. my god has bigger implants than your god?:D

[cxepwn]

A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education,
and social ties; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a
poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death.
- Albert Einstein

[redwards]

Originally posted by cxepwn
A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education,
and social ties; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a
poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death.
- Albert Einstein

Perhaps more topical:

"With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion."
-- Steven Weinberg

[EvilTwinFelicia]

Originally posted by Daslib
:lol::thinking::rofl:

comments like that would normally land people on the psych floor of their local mental hospital

In this day and age, such comments would only land you in a mental hospital if you said-- "I hear God in my left big toe, and he told me to strike (insert name here.)

Otherwise, Bush is giving off the impression he prayed over the entire Iraq situation.

[EvilTwinFelicia]

Originally posted by Blueangel
It scares me from the point of view that he doesn't accept full responsibility for his own actions and decisions.
That is a dangerous precedent for and World leader to set and I find it just as offensive and worrying as Islamic groups claiming that their actions are 'Allah's will'.

Surely you can see the comparison?

It's shows the same lack of personal responsibility, just from a different angle and religious belief.

I've made this same comparison on other message boards, as well as with my boyfriend. Bush gives the appearance of "My God can beat up your Allah."

[EvilTwinFelicia]

Originally posted by redwards
I don't mind at all if Bush takes instruction directly from God, so long as he records the conversation so that he can prove to us all that an almighty being has instructed him in his actions. Wouldn't want him to exaggerate or anything, ya know? :rolleyes:

Maybe we could get Bush one of those fancy-schmancy recording devices al la Nixon. That way, Bush wouldn't have to worry about backing up any of his conversations with God.*

*sarcasm. Not to be taken seriously.

[EvilTwinFelicia]

Originally posted by redwards
Perhaps more topical:

"With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion."
-- Steven Weinberg

History has proven this quote true, time and time again.

[Voice Of Reason]

Originally posted by summer
I am not absolutley sure that GW said that "God told him to strike, etc."

It's said that He has been careful not to say that God "told" him

Its Garbage...President Bush would never say anything like that.........Its just more smear tactics..........

Sad..............

[EvilTwinFelicia]

Originally posted by Voice Of Reason
Its Garbage...President Bush would never say anything like that.........Its just more smear tactics..........

Sad..............

No, Bush's quotes are more along the lines of portraying slavery as something like this. . .
"It's very interesting when you think about it, the slaves who left here to go to America, because of their steadfast and their religion and their belief in freedom, helped change America." —George W. Bush, Dakar, Senegal, July 8, 2003

Or, asking if there were any black people in Brazil! Condoleezza Rice had to jump in and remind Bush that 1/3 of Brazil is populated with black people.

Bush opens his mouth, and inserts his own foot. He doesn't need any smear tactics to make him look like an idiot.

[DRMIZER]

Originally posted by redwards
I don't mind at all if Bush takes instruction directly from God, so long as he records the conversation so that he can prove to us all that an almighty being has instructed him in his actions. Wouldn't want him to exaggerate or anything, ya know? :rolleyes: AMEN

[cpwill]

Originally posted by cxepwn
A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education,
and social ties; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a
poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death.
- Albert Einstein


"Religion without science is foolish. Science without religion is pointless."
-Albert Einstein

Newton was prouder of his theological dissertations than anything else he ever did.

Mendel was a priest.

etcetcetc.

[Captain America]

I know lots of children who blame their actions on their imaginary friends.:D

[Simon666]

Originally posted by cpwill
"Religion without science is foolish. Science without religion is pointless." - Albert Einstein
Albert Einstein was also the man who said "God doesn't play dice." Quantum theory proved him wrong. Einstein may be considered a genius, infallible he isn't. Especially when he found science conflicting with his religious beliefs.

[Quincy Wisdom]

Originally posted by snappy
"God told me to strike at al-Qaida and I struck them; then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did; and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me I will act." GW Bush

If Dubya really believes this, I suspect that he is mentally ill.

yes, I would be forced to agree...

[whatever]

i think it's dangerous for the leader of the most power nation in the world to be so religious. america claims to be a secular state, but how can it be when it's leader is so devoted to his religion? whatever policies he take would always tilt towards his religion, and that's just not good.