Is Polegamy Against Judeo.Christian Values?

[snappy]

I don't believe it is.

[Blueangel]

Would you care to expand on your post?

I think it's against common sense more than anything.
Does anybody need to pay that much alimony? :p

Unless I can have several husbands, I'm not playing.

[snappy]

It is and has been part of most of society for thousands of years. I could be incorrect but it seems that even in the bible of old it says that it was practiced. Native Americans practiced it as well. In some region Tibet woman have more than one husband. I am wondering what is so terrible about the concept?

[SantaMonica]

Children were also married off when they were 12 because the life expectancy was 30. Then we found out that it was healthier to the child to remain a child at 12 rather than not.

Childbirth killed many women way back in pre-medical days, giving rise to polygamy back then. Is there really a case for either now?

Just because it was standard fare 2000 years ago doesnt mean it applies today.

Should we bring back sacrificing young virgins at the alter too?

[snappy]

Seems so, expecially to alter boys in the Catholic Church but no I do not advocate that.

I still don't see what's wrong with polegamy. Millions of Muslims practice it.

[Simon666]

Well, Abraham in the Old testament, one of the important figures for both Jews, Christian and Muslims practised it, so it is certainly a part of judeo christian belief, no matter how much the bible fanatics would love to deny this or shove it under the carpet.

[xexon]

Its totally a religious issue.

In Islam, you can have as many wives as you can support.

Not saying its right or wrong, but it is an example of religious intrusion into government.

Separation of church and state seems to have lost it's way on this one.



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[Paladin]

King David had about half a dozen wives.
King Solomon about 1000.

Solomon's wives got him into trouble, but who, with only one wife could not say the same?

The New Testament says Chch Elders should only have one wife.

If you aren't an elder --- why not?

[SantaMonica]

Originally posted by snappy


I still don't see what's wrong with polegamy. Millions of Muslims practice it.

Lots of Muslims practice stoning too. Because THEY do, it's ok? lol.

[snappy]

Instead of making silly comparison why don't you explain why you feel that polegamy is wrong?

[Simon666]

To answer your question: I think it is wrong because it opens the door to oppressing women again, although in some cultures this is perceived less of a problem even by the women, in ours it just doesn't fit.

Now have a question for you: do you think it would be alright for a woman to have multiple men?

[snappy]

Yes.

If women want to do this why would it be oppressive?

Proviso: I would agree that the age would have to 18.

[Blueangel]

The simple fact is that bigamy is illegal in many countries.
Polygamy wouldn't be tolerated in the UK because it would break the law of the land.

If you claim that this is religious prejudice, than maybe it is, but if you chose to live in a certain country, you're expected to abide by it's laws.

There's recently been a spate of Islamic 'honour killings' of young women in the UK. Whilst this may be part of Islamic law, it's not acceptable in British society and will be prosecuted within the law of the land.

[Blueangel]

Originally posted by snappy
If women want to do this why would it be oppressive? Because it isn't practised evenly between the sexes.

I know of no society or religion that approves of both men and women having multiple spouses.

Dress it up any way you want, it's not equality.

[POWERSTROKE]

Originally posted by snappy
I don't believe it is.
Why? I think it is.

[EvilTwinFelicia]

Originally posted by Blueangel
I think it's against common sense more than anything.
Does anybody need to pay that much alimony? :p

As my dad used to say-- one woman nagging him was more than enough! What man in his right mind would want more than one woman?

[EvilTwinFelicia]

Originally posted by SantaMonica
Children were also married off when they were 12 because the life expectancy was 30. Then we found out that it was healthier to the child to remain a child at 12 rather than not.

Childbirth killed many women way back in pre-medical days, giving rise to polygamy back then. Is there really a case for either now?

Just because it was standard fare 2000 years ago doesnt mean it applies today.

Should we bring back sacrificing young virgins at the alter too?

Good points. Based on some of the surveys I've read lately, I doubt there are very many 12-year-old virgins left. Okay, that was sarcasm.

American laws prevent polygamy. One can look through most religious tomes and find plenty examples of polygamists. With that being said, Judeo-Christian beliefs could support polygamist beliefs. In some Jewish traditions, if a man's brother dies, it is up to the surviving brother to house and feed his dead brother's wife and children. This man was said to have X number of wives and X number of children.

Other religions teach monogomy. Many people prefer monogomous relationships, for various reasons. With AIDS being so rampant, a good case could be made for monogamy.

[mahayana]

As Blueangel first pointed out, polegamy is wrong; it is spelled polygamy, hah! Maybe being interested enough to try this, you should read about it a little.

Christians in general disapprove. Are there any other exceptions than Mormons? And a few cult leaders?

Muhhamed was married to many women. Sexism in Muslim law today traces mainly to the idea that it's ok for a man to own a harem. And yet they strongly condemn Western media for portraying fornication, adultury, and sodomy as normal sexual choices.

I think there is a multiple-partner marriage group in San Francisco, not affiliated with any church. Are you thinking of legalizing polygamy in America?

[snappy]

I feel that it should be legal. Sorry 'bout the typo but it seems that most readers got the msg.anyway.

[EvilTwinFelicia]

Originally posted by snappy
I feel that it should be legal. Sorry 'bout the typo but it seems that most readers got the msg.anyway.

Me, personally--- I don't care. If an initiative to allow polygamy showed up on my state ballot-- I'd vote for it. Unlike the Tom Green mess in Utah, as long as the people wanting multiple partners are ALL over the age of 18 (I'm tempted to say 21, but oh well) then go for it. I do not believe such decisions should be made by children.

I wouldn't mind having multiple husbands-- let's see, 10 fingers-- 10 husbands. . .10 new rings for each gift-giving occassion! Yeah! I could get behind that! Could I share my man with a sister-wife? From some of the Tom Green documentaries I've seen, there was one wife who went to work. The other wives cooked for her, did her laundry, and took care of her kids. Hey-- that's almost like being a man! If I could be THAT wife, where my only responsiblity would be to go to work-- and when I came home my grub would be on the table-- why not?

Boy, am I ever selfish.

[snappy]

Being a bit selfish is healthy.

[whatever]

polygammy in most part of the world is really discriminating against women. imperial china being one exampe of the past. and today in the muslim world women still have no say in wether their husband can have second or third wife, i read one article where a men choose to marry a second wife even though the first wife oppose to it, but due to the law in malaysia he was allowed to as long as he continue to look after his wife and the children in material sense.
that being said, there is also a community in tibet that allow women to have multiple husbands. but it still wouldn't be fair to the men.
i think polygamy is just not a workable thing, when we are in a relationship, or a marraige, what we want is trust, and how can you trust a person who is not your wife or husband only but somone else as well? where does ur real loyalty lies? how do you prevent the jealousy that no doubt would arise? and how do you pratice it fairly without discraminating against either sex?

[Paladin]

I know of no society or religion that approves of both men and women having multiple spouses.


There's a prominent one right before your eyes!

It's US!

It's just that in our society, we do it one spouse at a time. My brother-in-law has had 5 wives that i know of.

Anyone think that's better?
Anyone think that's a Christian Value?

Polygamy is not ideal, but it is better than most of the alternatives.

[EvilTwinFelicia]

Originally posted by Paladin
I know of no society or religion that approves of both men and women having multiple spouses.


There's a prominent one right before your eyes!

It's US!

It's just that in our society, we do it one spouse at a time. My brother-in-law has had 5 wives that i know of.

Anyone think that's better?
Anyone think that's a Christian Value?

Polygamy is not ideal, but it is better than most of the alternatives.

Hmmn-- I never thought about it that way-- but you make a good point! If your brother-in-law was a courageous man, he would have had all five wives at once! That would've taught him a valuable lesson. . .

[Paladin]

AND he would have taken care of all of them, and his children better too.

This bro-in-law never had a hard time making a living, but when he moved on, all his ex's did poorly.

[treat2]

Originally posted by Paladin
I know of no society or religion that approves of both men and women having multiple spouses.


There's a prominent one right before your eyes!

It's US!

It's just that in our society, we do it one spouse at a time. My brother-in-law has had 5 wives that i know of.

Anyone think that's better?
Anyone think that's a Christian Value?

Polygamy is not ideal, but it is better than most of the alternatives.


Paladin, you ever read the Bible?
You might wanna read it a bit more carefully next time!

Even I know that sfuff and I'm and Atheist, for chist sakes!

[ranger]

Originally posted by snappy
I don't believe it is.

The Holy Gospel of Jesus Christ According to Saint Matthew

Chapter 19

1
And it came to pass when Jesus had ended these words, he departed from Galilee and came into the coasts of Judea, beyond Jordan.

2
And great multitudes followed him: and he healed them there.

3
And there came to him the Pharisees tempting him, saying: Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?

4
Who answering, said to them: Have ye not read, that he who made man from the beginning, made them male and female? And he said:

5
For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife, and they two shall be in one flesh.

6
Therefore now they are not two, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let no man put asunder.



Looks like Christ was talking about 1male and 1 female becoming one in marriage. I would say the answer to the question "Is polegamy against Judeo Christian values?" would be YES

[whatever]

Originally posted by ranger
The Holy Gospel of Jesus Christ According to Saint Matthew

Chapter 19

1
And it came to pass when Jesus had ended these words, he departed from Galilee and came into the coasts of Judea, beyond Jordan.

2
And great multitudes followed him: and he healed them there.

3
And there came to him the Pharisees tempting him, saying: Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?

4
Who answering, said to them: Have ye not read, that he who made man from the beginning, made them male and female? And he said:

5
For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife, and they two shall be in one flesh.

6
Therefore now they are not two, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let no man put asunder.



Looks like Christ was talking about 1male and 1 female becoming one in marriage. I would say the answer to the question "Is polegamy against Judeo Christian values?" would be YES

no it's not. but it only allow men to have more than one partner but not women.
check this http://www.btinternet.com/~familyman/pchristian.htm

[beast]

It certainly isn't against the law of God:
Deuteronomy 21-15. If a man have two wives, one beloved, and one hated, and they have borne him children, both the beloved and the hated, and the firstborn son be hers that was hated;

[mahayana]

Beast, I think you are right to point out the approval for polygamy in the Old Testament. Perhaps Judeo-Christian is an inconsistent combination. Jesus disapproved of many Jewish laws.

Jesus had little to say about marriage. Most of the quotes in the minister's marriage counseling books are from Paul. Adultery is a sin. Few Christians support the idea of multiple partner marriages.

Legalizing such unions in the United States would be more difficult than legalizing gay marriage. "Not that there's anything wrong with it" (Seinfeld).

[beast]

Well I much prefer legalizing polygamy to legalizing homodoggy marriages. The law is clear: It's not against the law to have seven wives. Monogamy was instituted by the catholic church a thousand years after christ to slow down the growth of christian societies. And it did that because it's then that it was corrupted and taken over by the free masons, who make war against all christians everywhere.

[mahayana]

Personally, I have no problem with legalizing polygamy It might make for more complicated divorce laws though, hah!

Is polygamy really legal in Canada, or were you referring to Old Testament "Law"?

Apart from a recent case involving a Mormon and his wives, I haven't heard much about this subject lately.

[cpwill]

God seems to pair people up on a one-on-one basis

Adam and Eve
Moses had one wife
Abram and Sarai
Jacob had two, but not on purpose, he only wanted one
Saul, David, Solomon, etc. however, seemed to have multiple wives; although this could be part of the general corruption of the kingship so familiar to those who have followed the Duderonomistic history, you'll notice stories about these wives seem to make up a large part of the "sins" of the kings.
the married couples presented in the New Testament all seem to have only one wife per husband. (Priscilla and Aquilla etc.)
i'd say there's alot of precedent to argue.

[beast]

I'm talking about the law of God of course. Canada is like the rest of free-masonry, it is forcefully monogamist. Jacob had two wifes, and two concubines. And the twelve tribes of Israel are of these women. God doesn't forbid man to have many wives and concubines, and neither should governments or churches. It is a sin to call illegal what the law calls normal.

[Captain America]

If I were a truck driver, I would want many wives too!:laughter:

I think I'd rather be a free-mason though. :angel:

I believe that the "law" on this was one of many laws in the old testament that mankind, as a whole, no longer adheres too. Unless I am mistaken, we are NOT to eat pork, touch a woman, women have many rituals to go through while they are "unclean."

Come to think of it...there are zillions of silly religious laws like those old marriage laws. If I were to have written the laws...I would have said ONE wife but girlfriends are ok. Is a girlfriend a concubine?

My wife sometimes lays down the law... girlfriends are a no-no.

Am I correct in assuming that all of the above, those who eat bacon, those that use feminine products, are doomed to hell and the wrath of the beast?

Oh no! I just had a BLT for breakfast! I'm screwed!!

The devil made me do it!:devil:

[beast]

Actually CA, pork is no longer a restriction, since Jesus abrogated it. In fact, Jesus put the law in it's proper perspective. But that would require you to know and understand the law. You know it, but you don't understand it.

Jesus never said monogamy is normal. Monogamy is abnormal, what is normal is defined by the law, and the law says a man can have seven wives if he wants to. That's what normal is. Abnormal is forced monogamy.

Hey, I'm a bass player now....!

[Captain America]

Rock on beasty:rocking:

You know, if you let the lady (or in your case LADIES, perhaps) ride on your speaker cabinet while you play the blues in E major, she will love you for life.;)

[Captain America]

Jesus put the law in it's proper perspective.

Do you mean when he taught that "it is not what goes into your mouth that defiles a man as it is cast into draught, but rather what comes OUT of the mouth, as that comes from the heart?"

Well, I must admit... That's some pretty damn good perspective.

[beast]

It certainly is.... And Capt'n, the purpose of the law is to kill people. And every ruler needs to take care of the trash. The law clearly defines what trash is, and how to deal with it. By the law, the righteous are protected, and the guilty executed. Otherwise, you have a self proclaimed god who kills anyone for no reason other than his own fickle selfish whims. And that's not acceptable.

[beast]

Yes that E-major is a real "hummer".

[mahayana]

So what is your view of the laws regarding fornication, adultery, and sodomy, now that we are clear on your views re polygamy?

fornication- sexual relations without sancity of marriage.

adultery- sexual relations by a married person with one they are not married to.

sodomy- unnatural sex acts ( oral, anal, etc)

and while we're at it, bestiality- sex with animals..

[Darth]

Originally posted by mahayana
So what is your view of the laws regarding fornication, adultery, and sodomy, now that we are clear on your views re polygamy?

fornication- sexual relations without sancity of marriage.

adultery- sexual relations by a married person with one they are not married to.

sodomy- unnatural sex acts ( oral, anal, etc)

and while we're at it, bestiality- sex with animals..

Fornication and adultry is one and the same --

Sodomy - Are you refering to married couples or homos?

Beastiality- the Bible says that both the animal and person must be killed.

To be exact that is punishment for fornication and adultry also.

My personal preference on the pologamy issue is that it is not workable in our time. I don't believe that God ever clearly spoke on the matter. It would be difficult to support 5-10 wives and 50-75 kids. Lot of beans and rice:cool: