4-year-old kills sister, shoots brother

[up2date]

Talk about a horrible story! These parents should never see the light of day again.
Parents may face charges for leaving children with gunMay? Granted I don't know all the details, but how could they not?

http://www.msnbc.com/news/973020.asp

[teddy]

there was another case I read today where a mother went to jail and didn't make any arrangements for her 2 year old daughter. The girl lived for two weeks on ketchup, mustard and uncooked rice. That mother should stay in jail permanently.

[Sly Limey]

unfortunately you have to have a license to own a gun, but any idiot can bring a human being into the world... Sometimes i really do wonder if Hitlers eugenics program was actually a good idea dreamt up by a bad bad man.

[James]

What would make a 4 year old do that?

[Sly Limey]

maybe he didnt do it...

I read somewhere recently that there is a suspicious looking grassy knoll in the back garden of where he lived and opposite the house there is an old abandoned book storage unit.
A passer by who managed to film the whole thing on his camera stated on the record in a recent hearing that in frames DD:23 to DD:87, you can see that the childs head moves "back, and to the right... back, and to the right", clearly proving the possiblity of a second and maybe third shooter. The four year old is simply the Lee Harvey Oswald of our generation.
As further proof of this, whilst being transported to a temporary care unit the child was shot in the chest with a nerf gun wielded by a crazy kid called jackie ruby. I hear oliver stone is seeking the rights to make a movie of this sad tragedy.

[JD3]

If I am going to make a gun control law, it would be that idiots can't have them.

This story shows my point.

[america]

I killed a cat when I was four. :(
actually I think my sister did but she said I did and since I cannot remember that well,,,,,,,
and certainly do not remember as to why..
Hope they don't send the four year old to jail -what a tragedy.

[up2date]

They can't send the 4 year old to jail. But his father says he understands what he did. Now he's going to have to live with this the rest of his life. All because his parents kept a loaded gun in the house and within reach of a four year old. Not to mention their kids had no adult supervision.

[EntImp]

Originally posted by JD3
If I am going to make a gun control law, it would be that idiots can't have them.

This story shows my point.

Only idiots own guns!

[JD3]

I know some very respomsible hunters who would disagree.

[EntImp]

Just as well one cant go hunting in the UK soon... seeing as all forms of hunting will be made illegal!

[Blueangel]

Originally posted by JD3
I know some very respomsible hunters who would disagree. And the need for hunting is...?

To me, hunting is for a bunch of guys with a penchant for camping out, drinking too many beers and getting their kicks by creeping up on wild animals for the purpose of blowing their brains out.
Worse than that, are the sad people who hunt from helicopters. Talk about cheating!

[Massolini]

Originally posted by EntImp
Only idiots own guns!


Oh really now?
(You don't vote or anything, do you?)

Take a look at the enclosed report. And please -- drop the hunting angle. Gun ownership is light years away more than hunting. Your predictability is so predictable.
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Greetings law abiding citizens.

I thought you all would like to see the truth about the effect of gun laws. It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by a new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by our own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars.

The first year results are now in: Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent, Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent; Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)! In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent. (Note the obvious, that while the law-abiding citizens turned their guns in, the criminals did not ! Surprise, surprise.)

While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months, since the criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed. There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the elderly.

This result bears out the information available from US records, information ignored by Australian politicians and the popular media. You won't see this on the evening news or hear your governor or members of parliament being outraged by the escalation in crime in line with disarmament of law abiding citizens.

The Australian experience proves it again. Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control give the criminal element open slather.

The above is not the case because law abiding citizens regularly used their guns but because of the possibility that they may. Facts beyond the comprehension of many until their aged parent is assaulted.

All who campaign to disarm the law abiding citizen are traitors along with those who actual legislate it. How much proof do you need before the penny drops??

Take note Americans, before it's to late!

Source:
Idaho Peace Officers Association - Semi Annual Magazine
http://www.idahocops.com/magazine.htm

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PLEASE FORWARD TO EVERYONE ON YOUR EMAIL LIST.
DON'T BE A MEMBER OF THE SILENT or intimidated MAJORITY.

Regards, Joe Bryant, Australia.

[Blueangel]

Yadda...Yadda...Yadda....

I've never owned a gun. I'm actually quite a good shot, but still, I have no desire to ever own a gun.

I'm neither silent nor intimidated.
I'm just secure and not paranoid.

[Massolini]

[/B][/QUOTE] I'm neither silent nor intimidated. I'm just secure and not paranoid.

Which is to say gunowners are loud and cowardly, insecure and paranoid? I'm sure your acquiantances who favor firearm ownership would deeply appreciate that sentiment...and the gun grabbing politicians, too.

[Blueangel]

I was merely answering this comment truthfully.
It was not intended to cast aspersions on anyone, but my remarks have obviously hit a nerve.

Originally posted by Massolini
PLEASE FORWARD TO EVERYONE ON YOUR EMAIL LIST.
DON'T BE A MEMBER OF THE SILENT or intimidated MAJORITY.

In the U.K., the Countryside Alliance is one of the most vocal groups in the country...but their aim isn't to increase gun ownership. Their aim is to preserve their rights to hunt.

I can honestly say that I don't know anyone who owns a gun! In the U.K. there is no real need for ownership.
I don't even know anyone who carries a knife!

There is increasing concern about gun related crime over here, but more often than not, it is a case of 'If you live by the sword, you die by the sword'.

My dad was in the Royal Artillery. He taught me to shoot from the age of 7, but we only ever used a borrowed air rifle.
After my dad left the army, he owned a garage/petrol station (gas station) for 27 years, and we all know how vulnerable these establishments are to violent crime.
Not once did my dad ever have a weapon on the premises and he was never threatened or robbed...He was too clever for that!

His only defence (other than the tools in his workshop), was a aerosol can that sprayed the aroma of rotten eggs. He called it his Bull ****** spray :D If someone was getting on his nerves, he only had to put it on the counter and they got the message. Nobody wants to walk round smelling of rotten eggs.

[Massolini]

Point taken...

[JD3]

1. I don't guns will ever be outlawed in America. Americans love guns too much. I don't understand why. They are after all just tools with a very specific purpose.

2. That would be my 2nd observation. It is just a tool, like my screwdriver or hammer, or car. It may be a flaw in me that I have never loved any of these things. I prefer to love animate, more giving creatures.

3. It is not a certainty that a gun will make anyone safer. I worked for more than a few years on an ambulance. In all that time I never picked up anyone killed by a criminal or someone shot by someone protecting his or her self. And I do believe that the numbers in America would show that Suicide and accidents largely out number crimnal violance.

The point would be that how and by whom the tooll is used matters. If you can't use the tool effectively, you are in more danger and not safer.

I support the right of people who know how the use the tool properly having the right to do so. Again, idoits should fins another hobby.

[Blueangel]

Originally posted by JD3
Again, idoits should fins another hobby. But a Playstation requires you to use two fingers simultaniously and that fuddles their heads :p

(Apologies for my poetic licence in using the word 'fuddles'. It just kind of sums it up to me.)

[LooneyTick]

Check the crime statistics in the UK. Criminals are running amuck. Gun control is hitting what you aim at.

[EntImp]

Originally posted by LooneyTick
Check the crime statistics in the UK. Criminals are running amuck. Gun control is hitting what you aim at.
Utter rubbish...

And what statitistics.

The UK has 500 reported cases of gun usage per month that are related to a crime. That is 6000 a year. For a population of 60 million.

Incredibly low.

For your information that is one person in every 3,500,000 decides to use a gun for a crime per day. You cant even get close to that statistic with any of the major States in the USA.

Criminals are running amock... yeah right go back to your cave and hide from them all then.

[wanderingbear]

Originally posted by Sly Limey
unfortunately you have to have a license to own a gun, but any idiot can bring a human being into the world... Sometimes i really do wonder if Hitlers eugenics program was actually a good idea dreamt up by a bad bad man.


Noooo..Thats what made him a bad man.

[JLwH211]

Originally posted by Blueangel
And the need for hunting is...?

To me, hunting is for a bunch of guys with a penchant for camping out, drinking too many beers and getting their kicks by creeping up on wild animals for the purpose of blowing their brains out.
Worse than that, are the sad people who hunt from helicopters. Talk about cheating!

Shouldn't stereotype hunters. I know many many people that hunt, and not one that I know of has ever been stupid enough to drink when handling a weapon. Nothing wrong with camping either, my family goes all the time. It's called having fun.

Last I heard, we had a right to bear arms, but I guess I could be wrong.

[Simon666]

Execute that 4 year old. We need tough sentences to stop these killers. This also proves the victim should have had a gun too to shoot the 4 year old if he felt threatened. This wouldn't have happened with more guns.

[JLwH211]

Gun control isn't the issue here. This never would have happened if the parents had been smarter. I owned several guns before the birth of my girls. I got rid of all of them except one, and it stays hidden, locked up, and out of reach of little hands. It also stays unloaded, with the ammo hidden in a completely different part of the house.

[Shooterman]

'Tis true folks, that a real tragedy occurs when a four year old acquires a firearm and inadvertantly kills another child or him/herself. Let me suggest, the reporting and sensationalizing by the press notwithstanding, these incidences are fairly rare. While I commiserate with the plight of both families, I am mindful that in a free society, there are many tragic accidents that may and do occur, but only the use of a firearm evokes such widespread loathing on the part of the non gun owning and brainwashed public. I am certainly not painting most here with that brush, but the RKBA usually summons up visceral feelings from those wishing to 'CONTROL GUNS'by any method, and/or OUTRIGHT BANNING them.

Never forget, the right to keep and bears arms is an outgrowth of the natural right and wish to protect one's life, the lives of loved ones, and the need to protect any that can not or will not do so themselves. The right preceeded the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, and is inalienable.

Enough for now! I await your comments.

[america]

Originally posted by Shooterman
'Tis true folks, that a real tragedy occurs when a four year old acquires a firearm and inadvertantly kills another child or him/herself. Let me suggest, the reporting and sensationalizing by the press notwithstanding, these incidences are fairly rare. While I commiserate with the plight of both families, I am mindful that in a free society, there are many tragic accidents that may and do occur, but only the use of a firearm evokes such widespread loathing on the part of the non gun owning and brainwashed public. I am certainly not painting most here with that brush, but the RKBA usually summons up visceral feelings from those wishing to 'CONTROL GUNS'by any method, and/or OUTRIGHT BANNING them.

Never forget, the right to keep and bears arms is an outgrowth of the natural right and wish to protect one's life, the lives of loved ones, and the need to protect any that can not or will not do so themselves. The right preceeded the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, and is inalienable.

Enough for now! I await your comments.


Forgive me father for I have sinned.
I can't let go of my gun.
I know it says 'thou shalt not kill' but I don't know if put to the test I would not shoot an intruder. I think I would rather die first than kill another human being, but just in case I fail as a Christian at the last moment, I want my gun. :lol:
And I would rather be shot than have my throat slit by a boxcutter. If I had to pick my poison.

[Shooterman]

Originally posted by america
Forgive me father for I have sinned.
I can't let go of my gun.
I know it says 'thou shalt not kill' but I don't know if put to the test I would not shoot an intruder. I think I would rather die first than kill another human being, but just in case I fail as a Christian at the last moment, I want my gun. :lol:
And I would rather be shot than have my throat slit by a boxcutter. If I had to pick my poison.

???????

[america]

Originally posted by Shooterman
???????

:lol:

I meant that if someone was going to kill me, they would find a way to do it one way or another, if they did not have a gun, they could use a jagged weapon.
It would be less painful if they just used a gun. There are worse ways of dying.

In other words I am pro gun.

[Shooterman]

Originally posted by america
:lol:

I meant that if someone was going to kill me, they would find a way to do it one way or another, if they did not have a gun, they could use a jagged weapon.
It would be less painful if they just used a gun. There are worse ways of dying.

In other words I am pro gun.

Thanks for clearing that up. I wasn't exactly sure what you were getting at and sometimes I do misunderstand and come back really hard. I am extremely glad I didn't in this case.

I'm sure you've run across LIB DIM GGs that like to answer in riddles.

[america]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Shooterman
Thanks for clearing that up. I wasn't exactly sure what you were getting at and sometimes I do misunderstand and come back really hard. I am extremely glad I didn't in this case.

I'm sure you've run across LIB DIM GGs that like to answer in riddles. [/QUO

[JD3]

Originally posted by america
:lol:

I meant that if someone was going to kill me, they would find a way to do it one way or another, if they did not have a gun, they could use a jagged weapon.
It would be less painful if they just used a gun. There are worse ways of dying.

In other words I am pro gun.

I have to go with Molly Irvins here. I want my killer to get his cardio vascular exercise. Shooting is the couch potato way to kill someone. I want them to work at it. :lol:

[Shooterman]

Originally posted by JD3
I have to go with Molly Irvins here. I want my killer to get his cardio vascular exercise. Shooting is the couch potato way to kill someone. I want them to work at it. :lol:

LOL! Ol' Molly The Scourge of Texas is really qualified to give advice. NOT!!!:D

[Willie]

Originally posted by JD3
If I am going to make a gun control law, it would be that idiots can't have them.

This story shows my point.

But this brings up the point of how would you know? I suggest a spelling contest :p If the person cannot spell Gun Saftey then I Belive this person should be shot on site hehe If only it were like that... But I do belive that one man should die at the fate of a gun. The leader of the NRA Mr. Hesston

Now that would be irony at its best.

[america]

Originally posted by JD3
I have to go with Molly Irvins here. I want my killer to get his cardio vascular exercise. Shooting is the couch potato way to kill someone. I want them to work at it. :lol:

you can always run around the couch first before he shoots you.

[Shooterman]

Originally posted by Willie
But this brings up the point of how would you know? I suggest a spelling contest :p If the person cannot spell Gun Saftey then I Belive[/b]this person should be shot on site hehe If only it were like that...

I like that! It's funny.

But I do belive that one man should die at the fate of a gun. The leader of the NRA Mr. Hesston

That, Sir, is way beyond the pall. Why in the world would a subject of Canada wish that off on a citizen of the US? I'm sure you have your reasons and they are probably as screwed up as your thinking.

Now that would be irony at its best.

No, irony at its best would be for all GGs to be attacked by criminals with guns.

Have a good day!