Why was Jesus killed on the cross?

[pacific]

What's your opinion about the death of Jesus Christ?

Why was he put to death?

:thinking: :kiss: :banghead:

[TomAZ]

...So much for omnipotence.

[Simon666]

Because it was the worst form of death the Romans had in their arsenal. Chopping off heads was much, much quicker. They were really bent on horrible, deterring punishments. (Guess which current superpower now also is, if Jesus were alive today he'd get the chair.)

[Captain America]

You are assuming that....oh...nevermind:rolleyes:

[uglybastard]

Judas had to betray him.

His followers had to deny knowing him.

Pilot had to sentence him.

He had to be crucified.

The soldier had to stab his side because he was tired and wanted to go home.

One of the thieves had to repent.

He had to forgive us.

Happy Birthday Baby Jesus!

[Captain America]

Thank you.

You are HEALED!!:shock:

[xexon]

Jesus was an anti-body for what ails the world.

His true power was not in life, but in death. You had to kill him in order to get the full effect.



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[DRMIZER]

Originally posted by Captain America
Thank you.

You are HEALED!!:shock: You are a maniac!! :rocking:

[Quincy Wisdom]

Originally posted by Simon666
Because it was the worst form of death the Romans had in their arsenal. Chopping off heads was much, much quicker. They were really bent on horrible, deterring punishments. (Guess which current superpower now also is, if Jesus were alive today he'd get the chair.)

don't walk that line Simon...

[Simon666]

Today you're suspect among the likes of you if you say you want peace on earth. :D And if you say "let the children come to me", you might suffer the same fate as Michael Jackson. :D

[foxroaddaddy]

Originally posted by TomAZ
...So much for omnipotence.
I'm assuming you mean that since Jesus was killed He was not omnipotent. Interesting, the people watching Him die said much the same thing: "He saved others; let Him save Himself if this is the Christ of God, His Chosen One." Luke 23:35b

Isn't it remarkable that the Creator of everything would submit Himself to the torture and humiliation of a cruel death on a cross at the hands of the very people He created, just so they would have the opportunity to be forgiven for their acts of rebellion against Him? It truly boggles the mind.

He very much IS omnipotent. His horrific death and subsequent victory over it through His resurrection gave you and me our only chance to avoid eternity apart from Him. That is why He had to die on a cross.

Thank you, dear Jesus, for your unbelievable sacrifice of love. May I be a vessel of Your love in this world.

[Cedars]

Originally posted by xexon
...His true power was not in life, but in death...
Amen! Adam and Eve were not mortal until God punished them for their disobedience. Because of sin, man's punishment is to die. But in order to redeem man so that he might have life after death, God CHOSE to unite His Spirit to the flesh of man and then overcome death in order to save us.

[SantaMonica]

Because the Jews feared him.

Back in the day...the Romans wanted to maintain decorum among the "tolerated" religious masses so to assuage what might possibly be, potential drama, he appeased them by killing Jesus.

[Captain America]

I always thought it was because he had no money. Even a dummy knows that you don't last long around the jewish if you don't have any money. But then again, it's more than likely just a fairy tale so you can make up your own reasons!

[DRMIZER]

Originally posted by xexon
Jesus was an anti-body for what ails the world.

His true power was not in life, but in death. You had to kill him in order to get the full effect.
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Just curious. . . . .why was that? Why did the son of God have to die in order for the world to be saved.

[xexon]

Death brings finality. It brings closure.

Would Elvis had been such a figure in our lives today, if he had not died. We would have watched him age, and possible sour. In death, he lives on as legend. Someone who made a difference.

Jesus was much the same. But in Jesus's case, death was needed to prove that death has no hold on him. You have to die, in order to come back.

Jesus HAD to die. Death, had to be proven for what it really is.

An illusion.

He had to prove, that there is indeed something beyond the physical world.



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[DRMIZER]

Originally posted by xexon
He had to prove, that there is indeed something beyond the physical world.



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I still don't get the idea and goal of the crucixificion? How is it that when the son of God died that we were atoned for our sins? Where is the connection? How does one affect the other in any rational, logical way?

[xexon]

I don't subscribe to any mainstream religion. So, my opinions are not based on what you yourself may believe.

I don't believe that Jesus was the one and only "son of God". I do believe that Jesus was something like an older brother to humanity. He had made the trip ahead of us, and was able to point the way for anyone up for the trip.

As far as sin is concerned, everyone has their own account. It is not shared as a species.

Crucixificion was just the manner of capital punishment of the day. The idea here is that death, thru spiritual learning, can be conquered.

There is a door, which leads beyond the physical world. It is inside of you. Not "out there" somewhere in the clouds, or " the heavens".

Jesus, was trying to show people the door. Nobody could understand the directions. And he didn't have time to explain it further.



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[ukangel]

Originally posted by DRMIZER
I still don't get the idea and goal of the crucixificion? How is it that when the son of God died that we were atoned for our sins? Where is the connection? How does one affect the other in any rational, logical way?

Ok I am not a theologican but this is the reason as I understand it.

Jesus led a sinless life and was crucified for it. In that act he redeemed us from sin, he in effect took our place on the cross.

We are the ones who deserved crucification because we are sinners. all have sinned, all have fallen short of the glory of god. However he has for bought us the chance to join in him heaven. Without the crucification the gap can not be bridged between our sinful natures and paradise.

For it is by grace you have been saved through faith- and this is not of yourselves, it is the gift of God so that no one can boast. Ephesians 2:8

I am glad you asked this DRMIZER because this is a central tenant of Christianity. It is also when of the things that set Christianity apart from all the other faiths.

[DRMIZER]

I appreciate your response. I guess boiling it down even further is why death? Why not some other venue? Why not, for example, a triple rainbow, or God revealing himself in the sky for all to see?

Why did it have to be death?

[xexon]

Death is something that is common to all people. Irregardless of status or religious beliefs.

It is the only common denomenator we have.

We are taught that death is a door that swings one way only. Jesus, and his resurrection, teaches us that death is something more.

That there is a destination beyond the door. And, that death is a transformation into something else, other than a corpse.

You are dead only to those who believe themselves alive. The spirit has life beyond the body it just discarded.


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[ukangel]

Death has great symbolic significance in matters of faith. What Xexon is saying is I believe true.

As he was resurrected after his death. So by him we are resurrected to new lives after our own physical deaths.

Also the fact that Jesus suffered on our behalf is a potent symbol of the love he had and still has for mankind.

[Thermopylae]

The real question is, did Jesus even exist to be killed on a cross?

I wager my 'soul' saying he didn't. Ha, I sold my soul on Thursday to some kid at my school for $4. Some people will just never learn.

[ukangel]

Therm I remember that episode of the Simpsons !!

I think there is a lot of historical evidence to show that Jesus did exist but like everything else in life. You look at the evidence you make your own determination.

[Warlock]

According to Christian belief, Jesus died for our sins. He gave himself up as a sacrifice so that mortals could once again enter through the gates of heaven. Before this, it is believed that before Jesus died on the cross, no soul was able to enter into the kingdom of heaven; the soul being in a state of limbo or earth bound. Since Jesus gave himself up for our sins, the Christian God no longer demands animal sacrifices or sacrifices of the flesh. Instead, Christians re-enact the sacrifice that Jesus made with an analogous act of the last supper, then turning bread and wine into his flesh and blood.

The Jews believe that a military leader or a great warrior will be the messiah that will free the jews fom all forms of oppression and slander, and also leave the world for them to rule.

[VoiceofReason]

He died on the cross as a sacrifice for you. If you are a true believer in Christ, you will not fear death because he has done that for you. The Bible tells us that to be absent from the body is to be present before God.
God has prepared a place for you in Heaven.
It's not enough to say, "I know who Jesus was" or "I believe he was a good man".
You have to ask him to come into your heart and transform your life.
NO- that doesn't mean you have to become a missionary and go to the jungles of South America.
It merely means that the things that you know have not been right in your life... you want taken away.
:angel:

[Captain America]

I think that all religions were invented out of the fear of death.

[Agnostic]

Jesus was put to death because the Jews were stupid. Pontius Pilate gave them a hint, but they were too dumb to take it and they made a martyr out of Jesus.

If they had only left him alone.....:D

[Fasdf]

Jesus died on the cross because it made a good story.

[Cedars]

To be able to suffer and die it was necessary that Jesus Christ should be man; while for His sufferings to be of infinite value it was necessary that He should be God. Because the offense given to God by sin was, in a certain sense, infinite, and to satisfy for it a person possessing infinite merit was required. Jesus died in order to make satisfaction for us.

[DRMIZER]

Originally posted by Captain America
I think that all religions were invented out of the fear of death. I think history bears you out on this one.

[Cedars]

Originally posted by Captain America
I think that all religions were invented out of the fear of death.
I think that religion can cause fear of death, but not vice versa as you have stated where "all religions were invented OUT OF THE FEAR OF DEATH" [emphasis added]. Fear of death only makes sense if you have fear of the unknown. If you cannot believe that life exists after death, what reason is there to fear death, or nothingness? But if you think on some level that God MAY exist but are not sure, that may cause fear in case you have not pleased God.

[Kong]

Because Pilot did not have the patience to argue with the Jews who demanded that Jesus be put to death. Better for Pilot to put an innocent Jew to death than have a riot on his hands.

[mahayana]

It's hard for me to imagine the barbarism that was everyday life 2000 years ago. I've always wished that Jesus had not been killed, had instead lived a long and productive life, related much more philosophy and guidance for us all.

The whole "perfect human sacrifice" idea seems to me a great rationalization for the senseless destruction of a wise and innocent man.

I expect to continue opposing capital punishment, and pointing to Jesus as the best example of it's worst application.

Apologies to the believers for this heresy.

[Warlock]

Originally posted by mahayana
It's hard for me to imagine the barbarism that was everyday life 2000 years ago..

Are you kidding me, barbarianism is alive and well today. See Bushs war on Iraq, 9/11, the War in Kosovo, Afganistan, etc, etc,..... :(

[Kong]

I don't believe in death. In my faith there is only change.

[DRMIZER]

Originally posted by Kong
I don't believe in death. In my faith there is only change. You're going to get a big surprise.
What do you think these people of doing lying in the casket. . . .changing? Maybe from being alive to dust. That's the change!!:)