What does religion have against masturbation?

[Seth928]

In my experience with religion the issue of masturbation is something that is always quietly frowned upon. Yet I have never really heard of it being outright condemned. This is just a question I was looking for clearification on. Christianity pretty much looks down on masturbation and I really am wondering why. I'm looking for something like a bible quote that really defines christianity's stance on masturbation and a rationale behind it because to me it seems more or less a natural act.

[Churlant]

I think it's got something to do with giving in to temptation and that kind of thing. Seems as logical a thing to demonize as any when you're considering religious logic ;)

-JC

[Seth928]

The question is what makes it bad? I mean the devil (aka evil) is what tempts you but where does anybody in the bible say that it is an evil act.

[Smurf]

No one in the bible has to say it's bad, it's the pleasure in question that makes it bad, therefor when you give in to temptation for such you sin.

[Seth928]

No one in the bible has to say it's bad, it's the pleasure in question that makes it bad, therefor when you give in to temptation for such you sin.

So masturbation in and of itself is a sin?

[Smurf]

It really depends on which sect you talk to, some say it is, some say it isn't. Some of the "new age" sects believe it's completely OK. It doesn't take a genius to know Islam is against it but I've no idea where Judaism is on the subject. Buddhism allows masturbation. I don't think it even comes up in Confusianism.

[Jray573]

For Catholics it's the verse that Monty Python translated to say "every sperm is sacred." I have no idea what verse it is, so it's a good thing I'm not Catholic :p

[cpwill]

Jesus said that if you committed adultery with a woman in your mind; you'd committed it in your heart. masterbation is part of lust.

[mataj]

A must see :D http://www.subgenius.com/bigfist/pics9/MISC-TN/_sister-agony.html


Jesus said that if you committed adultery with a woman in your mind; you'd committed it in your heart. masterbation is part of lust.There's not necessarily woman involved. What about teddy bear or robot fetishists?

[cpwill]

:lol: honestly, i have no idea.

[xexon]

Jesus said that if you committed adultery with a woman in your mind; you'd committed it in your heart. masterbation is part of lust.

Masturbation is not a part of lust, but it can be. Depends on the person.

What does a 5 year old know of lust? He does it because it feels good. I suspect alot of people do.

As far as it being a sin, not all religions frown upon it. Tantric yogis use the energy to further their journey. And men in some cultures share their wives as a matter of hospitality.

Just depends on how you were raised.



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[Turenne]

Its quite simple...

Pleasure and Happiness=Bad.

Misery and Repression=Good.

And thats how religion works.

[Jray573]

xexon, did you masturbate at 5? :p Seems a little early to be figuring that out :p


Turenne, your interpretations of religion are just wrong. I stated this in a post earlier, but I'll say it again. There are many people, liberals especially, who have great points but tend to bring them out in absurd ways that no majority will ever agree to. You will never get anywhere by closing your mind to religion and telling the religious they are close-minded.

[Captain America]

OK...listen up. I'm just gonna say this once. Although jacking off is not one of the Big Ten sins, whackin' Willie is said to be sinful in the bible, just the same. There is a mention of the naughtiness of "spilling one's seed" upon the ground. That's a definite biblical no-no. And as CP mentioned, all the kinky lil' crap ya got goin' in your head while you're spankin' the ol' monkey equates to lusting in the heart. The good book has that angle covered too :rolleyes: . (But even Jimmy Carter lusts in his heart so how bad could that possibly be?)

Then, I suppose "if thy right hand offendeth thee, cut it off" has to kick into the equation sooner or later. That's just leaves your left hand. :eek: Use it wisely. You only got one hand left so ya better make it a good one, if you can't resist.

BUT! Praize Jeeeezus halalujah! That was under the "old covenant." The last half of that lil' black book sez that you're not obligated under the old contract anymore and the statute of limitations has expired on the hell fire :devil: and brimstone penalties for mule loaping have long since expired through the blood of the lamb.....baaaaaaaa.

All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. So a little relief now and again from the rigor mortis of the morning piss hard won't send ya to the firey lake, gnashing your teeth or nothing anymore.

Ya see, when the old contract expired the new amended one changed all the rules. NOW, if you want to go to heaven, all you have to do is say to a someone, "Yo man, I believe that Jesus Christ was God's son, and he died for all our sins and was raised into heaven" and WHAM, you are in like Flint. (Romans 10:9) It must be like the secret handshake at the Pearly Gates, or something. Pretty cool, huh? Once saved always saved. Now you can go back to pounding your pud with reasonable assurance that God won't send ya back down in the other direction 'cause you know the high sign.

Father Sarduci said it better than I. If I remember correctly, he said something to the effect that it takes about two thousand holy dollars to get into heaven. For every day on this planet we are each given 14.81 cents in holy money. Sin costs us in heavenly holy dollars. If we spend all our heaven dollars here on earth, in the form of sin, we may not have enough to pay the entrance fee when we get to heaven.

Now all things are relative. Bad sins, like murder, may cost 2500.00 holy dollars. Adultry may cost 975.00. And the other sins listed in the Big Ten may vary as well. But masterbation only costs .11 cents. It's a no big thing. And as a side note, for all you frugal penny pinchers out there, when you find yourself yankin' the crank, if you scream out "Oh God!" at your moment of "arrival" you get a rebate in God Bucks! How's that for power shopping? I'm not sure but I think God gets a kick out of his children screaming his name in their moment of extasy. :angel:

Amen.

Captain America

There, I hope I was able to clear this up for y'all. I have a feeling some of you reading this may have a sticky keyboard. Relax. God loves you anyways.

[xexon]

Old saying (I've got a million of them):

"Masturbation is like picking your nose, everybody does it and nobody admits it."



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[Captain America]

Old saying (I've got a million of them):

"Masturbation is like picking your nose, everybody does it and nobody admits it."



x

Kinda like riding a Honda?

[Jray573]

I always liked the one that went something like this, "9 out of 10 guys jerk off, the other one lies about it." :p

[Captain America]

<mod edit>. Do you know what they sing?

Behave Captain -UKA




















I didn't think you did. :lol: :lol:

[Jray573]

hahaha :p I forgot about that one :p

[Draft Dodger]

I think the generalizations, even if in jest, are over the line. Why must you be offensive to or about people you don't know and have no way of understanding? Please get back on topic.

[Chidi]

OK...listen up. I'm just gonna say this once. Although jacking off is not one of the Big Ten sins, whackin' Willie is said to be sinful in the bible, just the same. There is a mention of the naughtiness of "spilling one's seed" upon the ground. That's a definite biblical no-no. And as CP mentioned, all the kinky lil' crap ya got goin' in your head while you're spankin' the ol' monkey equates to lusting in the heart. The good book has that angle covered too :rolleyes: . (But even Jimmy Carter lusts in his heart so how bad could that possibly be?)

Then, I suppose "if thy right hand offendeth thee, cut it off" has to kick into the equation sooner or later. That's just leaves your left hand. :eek: Use it wisely. You only got one hand left so ya better make it a good one, if you can't resist.

BUT! Praize Jeeeezus halalujah! That was under the "old covenant." The last half of that lil' black book sez that you're not obligated under the old contract anymore and the statute of limitations has expired on the hell fire :devil: and brimstone penalties for mule loaping have long since expired through the blood of the lamb.....baaaaaaaa.

All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. So a little relief now and again from the rigor mortis of the morning piss hard won't send ya to the firey lake, gnashing your teeth or nothing anymore.

Ya see, when the old contract expired the new amended one changed all the rules. NOW, if you want to go to heaven, all you have to do is say to a someone, "Yo man, I believe that Jesus Christ was God's son, and he died for all our sins and was raised into heaven" and WHAM, you are in like Flint. (Romans 10:9) It must be like the secret handshake at the Pearly Gates, or something. Pretty cool, huh? Once saved always saved. Now you can go back to pounding your pud with reasonable assurance that God won't send ya back down in the other direction 'cause you know the high sign.

Father Sarduci said it better than I. If I remember correctly, he said something to the effect that it takes about two thousand holy dollars to get into heaven. For every day on this planet we are each given 14.81 cents in holy money. Sin costs us in heavenly holy dollars. If we spend all our heaven dollars here on earth, in the form of sin, we may not have enough to pay the entrance fee when we get to heaven.

Now all things are relative. Bad sins, like murder, may cost 2500.00 holy dollars. Adultry may cost 975.00. And the other sins listed in the Big Ten may vary as well. But masterbation only costs .11 cents. It's a no big thing. And as a side note, for all you frugal penny pinchers out there, when you find yourself yankin' the crank, if you scream out "Oh God!" at your moment of "arrival" you get a rebate in God Bucks! How's that for power shopping? I'm not sure but I think God gets a kick out of his children screaming his name in their moment of extasy. :angel:

Amen.

Captain America

There, I hope I was able to clear this up for y'all. I have a feeling some of you reading this may have a sticky keyboard. Relax. God loves you anyways.



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[Antipathy]

Then, I suppose "if thy right hand offendeth thee, cut it off" has to kick into the equation sooner or later. That's just leaves your left hand. Use it wisely. You only got one hand left so ya better make it a good one, if you can't resist.
:lol:

My best friend reckons he prefers to use his left hand because, he says "it feels more like a strangers hand." Only the last time he mentioned it, his wife embarrassed him by pointing out that the strange hand he's enjoying is in fact a man's hand :shock: :lol:

Back to the topic...
When I was at junior school our (catholic) priest was a fierce man who told us in no uncertain terms that masturbation is practically murder and we would spend a year in purgatory for each time we committed the sin. :rolleyes:

I've often wondered just what it is they object to, and I think that it's religion's way of socially conditioning people to be faithful to their spouses. I think that most people who masturbate also fantasize. For the vast majority that is all it is, a fantasy. (A former girlfriend of mine used to fantasize about being raped; she didn't want to be raped - she knew the reality would be horrific. She just enjoyed the fantasy.) But some people can't help but try and act on their secret desires, even though they know that their actions can also be terribly damaging and hurtful to everyone involved. So, because secret desires can lead to bad situations for a few, we all get to be told that it's bad. It's like a blanket ban... Or rather; an under-the-blanket-alone-and-horny ban? :)

Anyway, as far as I'm concerned, it's just one more good reason to reject such manipulative religions and their dogma. They just mess with your head!

[Churlant]

I think the generalizations, even if in jest, are over the line. Why must you be offensive to or about people you don't know and have no way of understanding? Please get back on topic.

Come again?

:D

Why not give us your own opinion on this one instead of doing the walking-wounded routine?

-JC

[Turenne]

Turenne, your interpretations of religion are just wrong. I stated this in a post earlier, but I'll say it again. There are many people, liberals especially, who have great points but tend to bring them out in absurd ways that no majority will ever agree to. You will never get anywhere by closing your mind to religion and telling the religious they are close-minded.

Sorry but religion simply doesn't work.Thankfully most of the world has realised this and except for Islam,religion is dying.Religion has always tried to stop the human race from doing what is most natural to them,to repress our most natural feelings and actions.Religion has always fed off of the ignorance of the people and off of there fear.Throughout history,Christianity has kept its followers poor and weak,ignorant and superstitous.Its a living contradiction,an organisation that spouts on about the crimes of gold and silver and of temptations while in the church the chalices and bells are made of gold and the collection boxs are full of cash.While the people's own self-determination and intelligence increased,religion has found itself less and less popular,the people,not stuck in ignorance anymore have realised that religion is a fraud,a byword for corruption,treachery,greed and peaodphilia.

[historyteach]

Capt and Xexon...Gotta tell ya....I don't know how you do it but, you made me laugh so much I almost peed my pants! LOL!
CP, Sorry, man, but, we have NOTHING of writing by Jesus. We only have what SOME people said he said, and that was said many years later.
Turenne, well, I gotta tell ya man, I don't know where you get this stuff from, but, WOW! To say that "religion is dead" in the USA or all of America today....shows NO concept of reality. Ever hear of the religious right? The moral majority?
My aunt is a Catholic nun. She believes, and I agree with her, that the Catholic Church is dead, and just doesn't know it yet. And much, not all, of what you say about Christianity is historically true. But, there was MUCH more to it than just the Christian churches and pedophelia...good grief!
However, that does NOT mean religion is dead.
Religion, spiritually and belief in G*D are very much alive and well.
Shalom!

[Jray573]

Sorry but religion simply doesn't work.Thankfully most of the world has realized this and except for Islam,religion is dying.Religion has always tried to stop the human race from doing what is most natural to them,to repress our most natural feelings and actions.Religion has always fed off of the ignorance of the people and off of there fear.Throughout history,Christianity has kept its followers poor and weak,ignorant and superstitious.Its a living contradiction,an organization that spouts on about the crimes of gold and silver and of temptations while in the church the chalices and bells are made of gold and the collection boxs are full of cash.While the people's own self-determination and intelligence increased,religion has found itself less and less popular,the people,not stuck in ignorance anymore have realised that religion is a fraud,a byword for corruption,treachery,greed and peaodphilia.

Right, that post says so much about you. I could agree to many flaws of religion, but you seem to be extremely close-minded on the subject. Which is why people like you will never get anywhere on the flaws of religion, and you will never change the minds of any on the subject. Good luck in life fighting off the close-minded while never realizing that you fit into the same club.

[Seth928]

OK...listen up. I'm just gonna say this once. Although jacking off is not one of the Big Ten sins, whackin' Willie is said to be sinful in the bible, just the same. There is a mention of the naughtiness of "spilling one's seed" upon the ground. That's a definite biblical no-no.

Well what about spilling into a sock or tissue? Does the bible say anything about that? :lol: ;) :D


:sorry: I had to.

[eugene40]

For crying out loud guys.... There are these things that have been around for a while. they are called women.. Get one or two or three of them... and they generally take care off any need to whack off. the only one here I know of that has an excuse is seth... because he is in an LDR..... but the rest.... WOMEN find them have sex with them, and stop masturbating.

[Draft Dodger]

Come again?

:D

Why not give us your own opinion on this one instead of doing the walking-wounded routine?

-JC
The offensive line has been edited out. It claimed that 99% of all Godly people performed a certain act considered immoral by christians.

godly, reverent, worshipful
showing great reverence for god; "a godly man"; "leading a godly life"

To make such a claim about such a large group of people is mean and not true. You defend such generalizations?

My opinion, masturbation is probably not as pleasurable as sex with a woman.

[julierep]

Masturbation is also looked upon as some sort of pornography, because of the lust and self gratification.

[historyteach]

Masturbation is also considered a gift from G*D.
And btw, the "thing" that you disparengly refer to, Eugene, are called people. Yea, the female half of the human population!
Get a grip, man! That is about as barbareous as I've seen here..."these things..."
They are called WOMEN!
Not objects
Not barnyard animals
WOMEN
PEOPLE
any questions???
Geeeezzzzz!!!!

[Churlant]

The offensive line has been edited out. It claimed that 99% of all Godly people performed a certain act considered immoral by christians.

godly, reverent, worshipful
showing great reverence for god; "a godly man"; "leading a godly life"

To make such a claim about such a large group of people is mean and not true. You defend such generalizations?

My opinion, masturbation is probably not as pleasurable as sex with a woman.

Hm? 99% of people DO masturbate... and since part of that 99% are "Godly" by their own personal definitions, then it is accurate to determine a great deal of them masturbate. While it may not be as high as 99... I suspect it isn't lower than 90. Unless, of course, you want to claim that the 1% who abstain (and I doubt the number is even that high) are exclusively Godly, that is.

As for which is better, hand or woman... honestly :p is that even up for debate? I don't remember anyone trying to make a point on it ;)

-JC

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[Redratio1]

Has anyone mentioned furry palms?

[Churlant]

Has anyone mentioned furry palms?

Not to mention eating your Corn Flakes! :D

-JC

[Redratio1]

Not to mention eating your Corn Flakes! :D

-JC

Sorry what did you say? My eyesight is terrible.

[cpwill]

Capt and Xexon...Gotta tell ya....I don't know how you do it but, you made me laugh so much I almost peed my pants! LOL!

captain's was especially good :)

CP, Sorry, man, but, we have NOTHING of writing by Jesus. We only have what SOME people said he said, and that was said many years later.

:lol::sorry:, but what we got we know is pretty accurate.

My aunt is a Catholic nun. She believes, and I agree with her, that the Catholic Church is dead, and just doesn't know it yet.

nah; it's growing too fast in places like africa.

[JoeR]

nah; it's growing too fast in places like africa.

Well AIDS will take care of that.


Yeah that joke was in poor taste.


I don't see why lust is a sin anyways. Acting on that lust with another person I can understand, but thinking about things because that is how we are programmed? Lust is a survival instinct.

[Redratio1]

I don't see why lust is a sin anyways. Acting on that lust with another person I can understand, but thinking about things because that is how we are programmed? Lust is a survival instinct.

Acting on that lust on an UNWILLING person is bad.

Just thought I'd add that.

[alex_zak_il]

There is a story in the bible that explains why it is bad to masturbate:

Judah, son of Jacob had three sons, Er, Onan and Shelah. Er married a woman, called Tamar. But then Yahweh suddenly killed Er, for some sin he commited (it is not mentioned what sin). Now, there was a custom that if a married man dies without leaving children, his brother must have sex with the widow, and the child is considered to be the child of the dead guy. So Onan had to have sex with Tamar. Onan for some wierd reason did not want to have a child with Tamar ("Onan knew that the seed should not be his", Gen 38:9), so whenever he had sex with Tamar, he would "finish outside", and spill the seed on the ground. Yahweh was angry and killed Onan.
That's is (by the way, not that the name Onan found its way to lots of languages. I do not remember any other biblical character who got a word after him).

Here is a graphic representation of the story:

(Warning, the link leads to a site that contains images of nude lego men and women)
http://www.thebricktestament.com/genesis/er_and_onan/gn38_01.html

Now, Jewish mysticists and Cabbalists gave another explanation: apparently, whenever sperm leaves a man, a soul is created. If the sperm reaches a womb, the soul enters the fetus. But if it does not, the soul remains, and becomes a demon. IIRC, a man who masturbates is having sex with Lilith, the mother of all demons, devils and vampires.

[eugene40]

Now, Jewish mysticists and Cabbalists gave another explanation: apparently, whenever sperm leaves a man, a soul is created. If the sperm reaches a womb, the soul enters the fetus. But if it does not, the soul remains, and becomes a demon. IIRC, a man who masturbates is having sex with Lilith, the mother of all demons, devils and vampires.


Wow, and I thought that anti abortionists were wackos..... they were really bd back then.... sheesh.

[Strel]

There is a story in the bible that explains why it is bad to masturbate:

Judah, son of Jacob had three sons, Er, Onan and Shelah. Er married a woman, called Tamar. But then Yahweh suddenly killed Er, for some sin he commited (it is not mentioned what sin). Now, there was a custom that if a married man dies without leaving children, his brother must have sex with the widow, and the child is considered to be the child of the dead guy. So Onan had to have sex with Tamar. Onan for some wierd reason did not want to have a child with Tamar ("Onan knew that the seed should not be his", Gen 38:9), so whenever he had sex with Tamar, he would "finish outside", and spill the seed on the ground. Yahweh was angry and killed Onan.
That's is (by the way, not that the name Onan found its way to lots of languages. I do not remember any other biblical character who got a word after him).

Here is a graphic representation of the story:

(Warning, the link leads to a site that contains images of nude lego men and women)
http://www.thebricktestament.com/genesis/er_and_onan/gn38_01.html

Now, Jewish mysticists and Cabbalists gave another explanation: apparently, whenever sperm leaves a man, a soul is created. If the sperm reaches a womb, the soul enters the fetus. But if it does not, the soul remains, and becomes a demon. IIRC, a man who masturbates is having sex with Lilith, the mother of all demons, devils and vampires.


As I understand it, masturbation was categorized as a sin for the above and for the fact that it was a lot of fun, which in earl;y Christian thinking naturally made it evil.

The problem is one of the early Church misinterpreted the story of Onan, taking it out of context. Onan was not killed for "spilling the seed" per se, but for disobeying a direct order from God. That he did it tossing off is really incidental.

[Mr.BlueOil]

First off have any of your seen the movie, "spanking the monkey" creepy...

Second My thought on whacking it...

The person who deemed it wrong to whack the monkey probably found his son or daughter whacking it publicly. Whacking it is addicting, some people do it in public, especially in the porn section of video stores.. urg..

So my guess is that the embarasment the child brought to the father caused a new rule in religions do or die guide line.

[Redratio1]

Now, Jewish mysticists and Cabbalists gave another explanation: apparently, whenever sperm leaves a man, a soul is created. If the sperm reaches a womb, the soul enters the fetus. But if it does not, the soul remains, and becomes a demon. IIRC, a man who masturbates is having sex with Lilith, the mother of all demons, devils and vampires.

I've created demons! Vast armies of demons! :eek:

[Smurf]

So, if you create a demon, does it have to serve you to your every whim? Hey! That must be how Bush....

[xexon]

You don't create demons. They predate humans.

The un-informed will open doors for them sometimes however.




x

[Senor Herberto]

organized western religion has several severe sexual hangups. their stances on marraige, homosexuality, sexual deviance in general, and masturbation are very unhealthy.

the truth about masturbation is that it's awesome and can relieve stress and make you shiver. there's nothing wrong with masturbating in privacy, or with your partner, or at any appropriate occasion. anyone who tells you otherwise is trying to control and repress you, which they have no excuse or right to do.

in 1930 the catholic church said that any act of sex that does not result in a pregnancy is a mortal sin. that is total bull*****. they don't even believe that anymore in the church. in 1930, a married man and woman would be in danger of hellfire if they had sex and didn't want to conveive. this was quite clearly some sort of manipulation or repression or social politics.

sex is so much good and so much fun and so much wonderful love! it goes wrong when people become possessive or paranoid or abusive or addicted or demented or dangerous. ABSOLUTELY DO NOT LET THOSE THINGS COME BETWEEN YOU AND LOVE!

sex that is love is completely good.
sex that is not harmful is totally acceptable.

[Captain America]

For crying out loud guys.... There are these things that have been around for a while. they are called women.. Get one or two or three of them... and they generally take care off any need to whack off. the only one here I know of that has an excuse is seth... because he is in an LDR..... but the rest.... WOMEN find them have sex with them, and stop masturbating.

You must be the one that sings in the shower. :lol: :lol:

C;mon. Tell us. What are you singing? :lol:

[GI Joe]

Oh no I cant see and my palms are hairy

[Gianni]

in 1930 the catholic church said that any act of sex that does not result in a pregnancy is a mortal sin. that is total bull*****. they don't even believe that anymore in the church. in 1930, a married man and woman would be in danger of hellfire if they had sex and didn't want to conveive.[/b]

You got the point. For the Catholic doctrine masturbation is a sin since it's a sexual act without the final intent to procreate. And the song "Every single sperm is sacred" by Monthy Piton describes it perfectly :D
It's the same reason why Catholicism doesn't allow contraceptives.
That's said, evidently catholic people don't really cares about what Vatican has to say about it.
See Italy: it's supposed to be one of the most Catholic country but we have the lowest birth rate in the world...and for sure we didn't stop having sex...

p.s. Furry palms??

[DRMIZER]

Wasn't it said that "it is better to cast your seed into the belly of a wh*re than to cast it upon the ground?"

[Draft Dodger]

Hm? 99% of people DO masturbate... and since part of that 99% are "Godly" by their own personal definitions, then it is accurate to determine a great deal of them masturbate. While it may not be as high as 99... I suspect it isn't lower than 90.So you agree the statement is false by at least as much as 10% of the specified population! Then you give no fact just your opinion. Worthless in a debate.



Unless, of course, you want to claim that the 1% who abstain (and I doubt the number is even that high) are exclusively Godly, that is.

As for which is better, hand or woman... honestly :p is that even up for debate? I don't remember anyone trying to make a point on it ;)

-JC

IYou asked my opinion and I gave it!

[Churlant]

So you agree the statement is false by at least as much as 10% of the specified population! Then you give no fact just your opinion. Worthless in a debate.


Well if you want fact, answer me this: Do you, or did you ever, masturbate?

If the answer is yes, the only observable basis you have to determine how many people masturbate would determine that number to be 100%.

If the answer is no... you have proven the 1% exception rule... though I also don't think anyone would believe you ;)

As for opinions.. half of debate IS opinion. That is why you believe different than I, or Him, or Her. If all we had were true facts, we would all agree. The difference is whether what you believe is Truth really is true, and vise versa.



-JC

[Draft Dodger]

Well if you want fact, answer me this: Do you, or did you ever, masturbate?

If the answer is yes, the only observable basis you have to determine how many people masturbate would determine that number to be 100%.

If the answer is no... you have proven the 1% exception rule... though I also don't think anyone would believe you ;)

As for opinions.. half of debate IS opinion. That is why you believe different than I, or Him, or Her. If all we had were true facts, we would all agree. The difference is whether what you believe is Truth really is true, and vise versa.



-JCIt is none of your business. You are stating your opinion as fact and that is not a good thing. The left is calling GW a liar for using incorrect facts. You are using NO facts. Oh well.

[Churlant]

It is none of your business. You are stating your opinion as fact and that is not a good thing. The left is calling GW a liar for using incorrect facts. You are using NO facts. Oh well.

Well first off, I didn't mention GW, nor did anyone else... not in this thread. Why try and connect the two?

Secondly I am using a very strong fact - you do not have any idea how many people masturbate - nor do I. You DO know if YOU masturbate, however, so the number of people you know well enough to determine how many masturbate is 1 - thus 100% of these people do so.

Personally I do it as well. You have no way of knowing for sure, of course, but since I have considerably more reasons to deny such an activity, and only one reason to claim it, the safe assumption is I'm not lying. That makes 2 - and still 100%.

Are we having fun yet?

-JC

[mahayana]

http://www.whitehouse.org/initiatives/purity/index.asp

This link is for "Operation Infinite Purity." Check it out!

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Here's a link to links on masturbation statistics:

http://criminaljustice.publnet.com/masturbation-statistics/index.html

More than I wanted to know...

[Seth928]

It is none of your business.

Churlant just so you know ^ that means yes. :lol: :p

[el nopal]

There are too many creepy people out there. This forces me to rely on myself, TREMENDOUSLY!

I sing in the shower, but I do not whistle Dixie. I think Dixie sucks.






ooh! But some of you will ask, what... if anything... does Dixie suck?

[Seth928]

There are too many creepy people out there. This forces me to rely on myself, TREMENDOUSLY!

I sing in the shower, but I do not whistle Dixie. I think Dixie sucks.






ooh! But some of you will ask, what... if anything... does Dixie suck?

Your posts just get weirder and weirder.

[Senor Herberto]

there's nothing wrong with masturbation.

[Draft Dodger]

Well first off, I didn't mention GW, nor did anyone else... not in this thread. Why try and connect the two?

Secondly I am using a very strong fact - you do not have any idea how many people masturbate - nor do I. You DO know if YOU masturbate, however, so the number of people you know well enough to determine how many masturbate is 1 - thus 100% of these people do so.

Personally I do it as well. You have no way of knowing for sure, of course, but since I have considerably more reasons to deny such an activity, and only one reason to claim it, the safe assumption is I'm not lying. That makes 2 - and still 100%.

Are we having fun yet?

-JCNow that I know the quality of your "facts" I will consider all of your opinions based on the same!

[beg your pardon]

Ive been sinning a lot lately.

[Larani]

The reason most Organised Religions have a problem with masterbation is it is a most effective form of birth control, and Organised Religions grow a significant amount of new members by their members giving birth and bringing their kids up on their religion.

Organised Religions want to dominate and to expand one because they think they got the truth and two because more members mean more monies entering their coffers this latter fact really is more important the the first I might add.

This is also why most organised religions are against birth control methods within their congregations.

So don't beat it or rub it just impregant with it and grow the flock, because if you don't your going to hell, and if you freely choose to believe that well sorry your beyond help. :lol:

[Seth928]

Ive been sinning a lot lately.

Nothing wrong with that.

[el nopal]

Does anyone here sing in the rain?

[Churlant]

Does anyone here sing in the rain?

I live in the desert - it doesn't rain here. (Except when God is pissed... and then no, I don't sing in the rain due to thread of lightning).

-JC

[Seth928]

I live in the desert - it doesn't rain here. (Except when God is pissed... and then no, I don't sing in the rain due to thread of lightning).

-JC

God isn't pissed he's just crying........................Probably because of something you did.

[el nopal]

God isn't pissed he's just crying........................Probably because of something you did.


Who taught God to cry?

[Turenne]

Right, that post says so much about you. I could agree to many flaws of religion, but you seem to be extremely close-minded on the subject. Which is why people like you will never get anywhere on the flaws of religion, and you will never change the minds of any on the subject. Good luck in life fighting off the close-minded while never realizing that you fit into the same club.

Thanks for wasting my time J.I'm suprised I have to tell this to somebody who has over 1,000 posts,but you're actually supposed to debate on WS,not ***** and complain... :rolleyes:

[ghost859]

one: i taught god to cry, for i am god. religion is personal enough where i'm concerned for me to be that self-centered, and you should be too!
two: "reagan lied, children died". i have a new one! "Reagan's dead, let it go."
three: perhaps the idea behind organized religions have simply been put on the back burners? maybe? kind of? sort of? the medieval times were certainly a tremulous time.
four: foamy is amazing.

[Turenne]

two: "reagan lied, children died". i have a new one! "Reagan's dead, let it go."


Although its completely off topic,the praise Reagan gets is unbeilevble considering the people he supported.BTW,you're going to have to contribute more than one liners to get a decent reply here. ;)