Is there A Heaven?

[Boldnold]

Is there a Heaven? If so, what's it like? Any eye witness accounts or personal experiences about Heaven would be greatly appreciated.

Boldnold :)

[eugene40]

If there is a heaven,, which I seriously doubt. It would be filled with christians... and that wouldn't be a heaven for me.... It would be more like hell,,, really bad hell, where judgement occur daily. and we must conform or get ostracized..... Give me hell any day....

[Craig]

"The mind is its own place, and in itself
Can make a Heav'n of Hell, a Hell of Heav'n."

-Satan
Paradise Lost, Book I

[cpwill]

:shrug: you mean a heaven where we all float on clouds and play harps? somehow, i doubt it.

[Myglarn]

If i see a man in white pajamas sitting on a cloud dreamingly playing a harp i would be seriously disturbed.

[Senor Herberto]

well, when we die our spirits and our bodies seperate. the body dies and the spirit continues to survive. bodily senses cease and spiritual senses are emphasized. we have both senses continually, but we are chained to this body and our physical senses are hard wired into our consciousness by the wirings in our brain.

we are free to drift to wherever we please, wherever our spirits are welcome, wherever we belong. we may reincarnate into new humans and fulfill new roles on earth.

much will become clear when you get there. ask god to guide you in gaining understanding.

[Boldnold]

If i see a man in white pajamas sitting on a cloud dreamingly playing a harp i would be seriously disturbed.

Could be Hugh Hefner. He wears pajamas all the time, parties, meetings & etc. at the Play Boy Mansion surrounded by all those bunnies. Toss in a pipe for good measure. Maybe that's heaven. If so, where can I get a ticket?

Boldnold :)

[Rivet]

If there is a heaven,, which I seriously doubt. It would be filled with christians... and that wouldn't be a heaven for me....

Ehhnnntttt .... sorry ... Mormons would fill heaven ... Mormons is the one correct religion.

Thanks for the playing today's game though.
Johnny, tell 'em what their consilation prize is.

[tdb]

I definatly say there is a heaven and a hell. I havent been to heaven but i have a good friend that went to hell. I have also seen allot of things through dreams that convince me there is an after life. (one of my dreams http://www.biblebash.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=258 )

Ehhnnntttt .... sorry ... Mormons would fill heaven ... Mormons is the one correct religion.
lol great to see mormons on this board. BUt there are many flaws and doctrines in the moromon religion that dont make much sense and stray from the christian belief. here are some

1 baptising the dead http://www.biblebash.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=244
2) http://www.biblebash.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=165how many wives?
3) more disputes http://www.biblebash.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=188

its not any sect that makes it to heaven but those who believe. There is definatly a heaven and there will be all those who believe and follow who make it.

[eugene40]

Ehhnnntttt .... sorry ... Mormons would fill heaven ... Mormons is the one correct religion.

Thanks for the playing today's game though.
Johnny, tell 'em what their consilation prize is.


South Park was right!

[JoeR]

I think most likely its either reincarnation or just death and then nothing.

[Rivet]

South Park was right!

Yes, I was alluding to a South Park episode where Satan goes to heaven and finds it filled with Mormons and can't take it.

(I am not Mormon BTW)

[Larani]

Well lets see,

Our Father who art in Heaven (Spiritual Place) Holy is thy name Thy Kingdom come Thy will be done on Earth (Material Place) as it is in Heaven (Spiritual Place)

Is there a heaven? Do we have a Soul? Clearly if we have a soul this would be a spiritual thing not a material thing as our bodies are, and yet we see linkage between the two or a bridge if you will, and while the body cannot go to the place of spirit the spirit can indeed travel to the place of the body.

Does this make Heaven or hell apart of the body as Craig alluded to in his post? Does each of us carry within us a Heaven or a Hell? And indeed if we do carry either a Heaven or a Hell within us would we then manifest that here in this place physically as the above part of the prayer seems to suggest? And when all is said and done will we return to that place we were first manifested like the single bit of water vapor that once leaving the Great Ocean travel the winds to fall as rain to travel the streams to become a glass of water or cup of coffee to then be flushed down the water pipes and back into the system where it will eventually find its way back to the Great Ocean? Is this possible? I think yes for I don’t believe the end means nothing just transition from one form to the next.

[Rivet]

Does this make Heaven or hell apart of the body as Craig alluded to in his post? Does each of us carry within us a Heaven or a Hell? And indeed if we do carry either a Heaven or a Hell within us would we then manifest that here in this place physically as the above part of the prayer seems to suggest?

Some people believe heaven is knowing God and hell is not knowing God (both here on earth).

If you try to rationalize religion, it brings up more questions than it answers.

If God is all-knowing, then he already knows what I am going to do before I do it (similar to a computer programmer knows what a program is going to do with given inputs). Therefore, do we really have free will?
Unless free will exists outside of our material existence and God has no control over it.

Confused yet?

[Churlant]

Therefore, do we really have free will?
Unless free will exists outside of our material existence and God has no control over it.

Confused yet?

No need to be. "Free Will" is a myth. I've raised the question a number of times on this board, only to be told by the faithful that I DO have free will - but I will fulfill God's plan.

These two statements cannot be reconciled, and since God's Will is more important than ours, we do not have free will.

As for the original question... as we live in Hell today, the logical conclusion is that anywhere else would be a Heaven by comparison. As for the ultimate nature of "Heaven", I don't buy any of the current perceptions of it as a physical location or a destination of True Believers, but for all intents and purposes, "Heaven" is where we are not.

-JC

[Lumpen Prole]

I've been there a couple times. It's overrated.

[Larani]

Some people believe heaven is knowing God and hell is not knowing God (both here on earth).

If you try to rationalize religion, it brings up more questions than it answers.

If God is all-knowing, then he already knows what I am going to do before I do it (similar to a computer programmer knows what a program is going to do with given inputs). Therefore, do we really have free will?
Unless free will exists outside of our material existence and God has no control over it.

Confused yet?
No not really. In fact in your prose you said "If God is all-knowing" What if he isn't? What if God like us is learning or perhaps better through us is Learning?

You mention a Computer programmer. If I were to write the code for AI I might understand the probabilities that the AI might do this instead of that, but if it were to be a true AI it would indeed have to be able to choose one choice over another. Now imagine if one wanted to learn all the possible combinations of something how might one go about it. Might one build dozens, hundreds, thousands, millions of self replicating machines that on their own would by their very existence test all possible combinations. and then send the results back to the source or the questioner?

Do we have free will or don't we Mmmmm I suppose one truly will never know. Am I typing this because I choose to or in some cosmic chess game am I just playing my designed part doing as my internal program tells me thereby setting off a chain reaction of signal switching that causes other programs to run in others where they were once not running. Interesting dilemma with no possible solution for resolution really.

[Entz]

We have no free will because God KNOWS EVERYTHING WE WILL EVER DO. He created our intelligence AND our surroundings. So therefore we are his direct product. This doesn't mean that God constantly controls our choices.. but he did control them at the very start. He set the gears in motion. The last humans to have free will were Adam and Eve who had full control of their environment.

[Relient Halo]

We have no free will because God KNOWS EVERYTHING WE WILL EVER DO. He created our intelligence AND our surroundings. So therefore we are his direct product. This doesn't mean that God constantly controls our choices.. but he did control them at the very start. He set the gears in motion. The last humans to have free will were Adam and Eve who had full control of their environment.

If free will is a farce, then that would make God a wicked god. He didn't create our intelligence, but rather loaned us some of his own. We cannot have anything that is not already in existence (meaning a part of God).

[JoeR]

If free will is a farce, then that would make God a wicked god.

That certainly fits Old Testament God

[Relient Halo]

That certainly fits Old Testament God

Not just the Old Testament but everything else. When does God change? Isn't perfection non-changing?

[Boldnold]

If there is a 'Heaven', perhaps those of you who have been there & back could give us who haven't been so fortunate, an update on what 'Heaven' looks like and what's going on up there (example; Angels riding golden Harleys or John & George playing Beetles songs on golden harps) would be greatly appreciated. Most of all though, perhaps a quick description on what 'God' looks like especially for those of us who want to know! Does he have a beard, mustache or Goatee? How about White hair cut short or is long worn in a ponytail? All of this would be very helpful in trying to understand the existance of 'God' and 'Heaven'!

Boldnold

[Riddley]

I have a very slim knowlege of the mechanics of religion but I thought that one of the things about Heaven is that it's supposed to be "unknowable". So that you can't say "Big deal, John and George playing harps, take me to where the action is".
Personally I don't think Heaven is a place. It might be a "when" and quite personalised e.g. for some people it could be 1968 in London, going to see Westham United play in the afternoon and later going to see The Who at the Marquee.
I have trouble with the concept of heaven at all because then you have to have a Hell don't you? I don't want to find that, as Rowan Atkinson said, "He doesn't have a sense of humour".
I still think we should be nice to each other. It would make a change anyway.

[Boldnold]

If heaven doesn't exist, then dying would be 'no fun' would it? In other words, dying and then going to 'Heaven' is what we all are looking forward too. Right? If 'Heaven' does exist, then should there not be a place called 'Hell' too? People who have had a 'near death' experience always say they have seen a bright light and images of their dead relatives, giving us the impression of them entering a place like 'Heaven' before they somehow return to the living again having not quite made it. But I haven't heard anyone having a 'near death' experience saying they have seen anything what we call a close call in entering 'Hell' such as seeing a dark chamber and unfriendly demons greeting them in a dark cold tunnel. If anyone has seen something similiar to entering 'Hell' during a 'near death' encounter, please let us know. It would be helpful for us sinners to prepare for it I guess.

Boldnold

[Knightman]

No, probably not. no heaven, no hell, a spirit mabey. For the most part I believe we are Mammals, We are born of our females, we live a life, we die, thats about it.

[Boldnold]

No, probably not. no heaven, no hell, a spirit mabey. For the most part I believe we are Mammals, We are born of our females, we live a life, we die, thats about it.

Being a mammal, keeps us updated on any heavenly or hell-like experiences (spirit, demon or otherwise) you may have after death, so that the rest of us can look forward to it too. A simple telegram or email will suffice. If you have nothing to send back from the grave, that's O.K. too.

Boldnold :)

[Knightman]

Spiritual or mystical experiences are just products of the mind manafesting themselves in an illusion of real experience, a dream if you will, in an awakened state of near sleep. This is actually a skill that can be practiced, however it is self only and unfortunatly one does need to be alive to create it.....

[cpwill]

Not just the Old Testament but everything else. When does God change? Isn't perfection non-changing?

:shrug: as God does not exist within the chronological world, He cannot change.

[JoeR]

Then the Bible is wrong.

[2ruballa]

O ye with little faith...Good News. You have my word. Whatever much it might be worth, as all will eventually know that it is true. There is a heaven my friend. :rocking:

[Dangerrmouse]

I think the jury is still out on that one, but I recall the last global Gallup poll suggests that you are in the minority.

[Kong]

Heaven exists some of the time but I can’t really describe it for you. As a figment of my imagination it is constantly changing and often disappears altogether. Let’s not forget; “the grass is always greener on the other side.” :angel:

[Boldnold]

Heaven exists some of the time but I can’t really describe it for you. As a figment of my imagination it is constantly changing and often disappears altogether. Let’s not forget; “the grass is always greener on the other side.” :angel:

It sounds like you've been there and back. Give us sinners an update the next time you visit there, so that we can enjoy the heavenly greener grass stories too. Maybe they use a lot of fertilizer up there.

Boldnold :)

[Garrett]

If free will is a farce, then that would make God a wicked god. He didn't create our intelligence, but rather loaned us some of his own. We cannot have anything that is not already in existence (meaning a part of God).
God gave us the ability to learn and do with our intelligence what we choose. So by your logic, sin was already a part of God.......

[Kong]

Maybe they use a lot of fertilizer up there. Boldnold :)There’s certainly no shortage of fertilizer down here. Can’t say I’ve actually been to heaven or hell although I do seem to find myself somewhere in between most of the time.

Of heaven, hell and life after death I know nothing and I’m not concerned. I found Ecclesiastes 9:7 and haven’t worried since:

Go, eat your bread with enjoyment, and drink your wine with a merry heart; for God has already approved what you do.

Now that's a gospel I can live with! :lol:

[Listen to me]

:Peace: I think many of your questions have the best answers in some islamic books.

[Simba]

Is there a Heaven? If so, what's it like? Any eye witness accounts or personal experiences about Heaven would be greatly appreciated.

Boldnold :)

Yes. It is the the last of all our memories of the the children I shared with my wife, and all we wished for them, as I take my last breath.

Hell is what comes afterwards, when I am not here to provide for them, and in my age, possess no longer the strength to protect them.

[Boldnold]

Yes. It is the the last of all our memories of the the children I shared with my wife, and all we wished for them, as I take my last breath.

Hell is what comes afterwards, when I am not here to provide for them, and in my age, possess no longer the strength to protect them.

If there is a 'Heaven' (and we all hope there is) as you call it and if you and your family are lucky enough to get there someday (and we all hope you do), maybe you could give us sinners down here an update if it's something to look forward to, especially if the person greeting you at the front gate of 'Heaven' is wearing a 'Mouse Ears' cap and saying; 'Tickets Please'. I guess 'Hell' would be is if you brought along your mother-in-law!

Boldnold :D

[alfred]

If there is a 'Heaven' (and we all hope there is)

Boldnold :D

Do we all?

How come you by this idiotic statement?

Personally I would be very annoyed to wake up the day after my death to find myself in some bloody heaven or other.

Presumably this heaven malarky lasts for an enternity which sounds a bit longer than I could cope with.

On the other hand a couple of weeks with Angelina Jolie would be nice but I suspect heaven would have rules against it.

[mrwiseguy7]

I can't say but I don't see any reason people shouldn't believe in it. Sure makes like a hell of a lot easier<get it? heaven? hell? haha...haha...I guess it's not funny...>.

[JoeR]

One can't believe in things such as that out of convenience....not any sort of true belief.

[Mirror Lake 444]

Just because an entity can see into my future and know what I will do does not in itself preclude my free will. As long as that entity allows me to make my choices good or bad without interfering, then I see no reason why there still can't be free will. Isn't that simple logic?

[Kong]

There seems to be a circular problem. “Just because an entity can see into my future and know what I will do” implies the choice is already made.

[Boldnold]

Do we all?

How come you by this idiotic statement?

Personally I would be very annoyed to wake up the day after my death to find myself in some bloody heaven or other.

Presumably this heaven malarky lasts for an enternity which sounds a bit longer than I could cope with.

On the other hand a couple of weeks with Angelina Jolie would be nice but I suspect heaven would have rules against it.

On the other hand, it sounds like you might have some problems convincing Angelina Jolie that you're going to 'Heaven' in the first place.

Boldnold :D

[TomAZ]

Heaven does exist but only for devout catholics. All others go to hell including those who carry the "mark of Cain". This must be true because my parents, relatives, nuns, priests and hundreds (maybe thousands) of adults told me so as a child. Could all these people have lied to me?

[Boldnold]

Heaven does exist but only for devout catholics. All others go to hell including those who carry the "mark of Cain". This must be true because my parents, relatives, nuns, priests and hundreds (maybe thousands) of adults told me so as a child. Could all these people have lied to me?

What's a 'devout catholic'?

Boldnold :)

[TomAZ]

What's a 'devout catholic'?

Boldnold :)


Sister Gladys Flatus. She didn't hit as hard as the other nuns. :angel:

[Boldnold]

Sister Gladys Flatus. She didn't hit as hard as the other nuns. :angel:

Can she sing?

Boldnold :)

[TomAZ]

Can she sing?

Boldnold :)


All the nuns could sing. Listening to them was the hard part. Probably the cause of my current hearing problem.

[CanadianBacon]

Free will always exists

If God (or some power) does indeed control everything we will ever do, there is no point worrying about whether we have free will, since there is nothing we can do about it. However, from our point of view, we control our own decisions, and therefore have as much free will as we want. Since there is no evidence to show God is watching and controlling, then why would think he is?

[Boldnold]

I think god would have more concern if his 'sheep' somehow got out of control. Wasn't that what Noah's Flood & the 10 commandments was all about? Right now it looks like the most of 'sheep' are definetly 'out of control' down here. So how much more tolerance does God have? Answer is? We'll find out soon enough, won't we!

Boldnold

[heel31ok]

I think god would have more concern if his 'sheep' somehow got out of control. Wasn't that what Noah's Flood & the 10 commandments was all about? Right now it looks like the most of 'sheep' are definetly 'out of control' down here. So how much more tolerance does God have? Answer is? We'll find out soon enough, won't we!

Boldnold No that is not what they were about.in the flood , His sheep were safely on the Ark. The ones that were not aboard were not his sheep. The 10 commandments were a direct result of the children of Israel assuring God that they could be good and Holy own their own merit.

[Dangerrmouse]

So Noah and his family were the only survivors of the Flood? That means that the entire ethnically diverse world population must be descended from this family's incestuous relationships.

[Boldnold]

No that is not what they were about.in the flood , His sheep were safely on the Ark. The ones that were not aboard were not his sheep. The 10 commandments were a direct result of the children of Israel assuring God that they could be good and Holy own their own merit.

Sounds like you were there. Next time you're hanging out with Noah, tell him that the great flood didn't do much good!

Boldnold :)

[julierep]

Yes, there is a heaven. It is mentioned in God's word over 450 times.

[heel31ok]

So Noah and his family were the only survivors of the Flood? That means that the entire ethnically diverse world population must be descended from this family's incestuous relationships. Is it incest to marry a cousin? Noah and his sons all had wives. What did Noah say after he got all the animals on the Ark? " now I herd everything." Anyway, yes we are all related and all the ethnic groups came from the same place . All the DNA of all the ethnic groups were contained in the DNA of Adam and Eve.

[heel31ok]

Sounds like you were there. Next time you're hanging out with Noah, tell him that the great flood didn't do much good!

Boldnold :)
Why would I tell Noah that when it was not his idea?

[Boldnold]

Why would I tell Noah that when it was not his idea?

Maybe it wasn't his idea then, but it sounds like a good idea now!

Boldnold :D

[Joao DaSilva]

To answer your question: yes there is a heaven- and I've been there.

It's called 'Ipanema'.

[Boldnold]

To answer your question: yes there is a heaven- and I've been there.

It's called 'Ipanema'.

We'll if you're lucky enough to get to heaven someday, whether it be 'Ipanema' or the 'Golden Gate' version, let us sinners know down here what we're missing up there. If it turns out they have computers and a heavenly internet there, then a simple email will suffice. Before I forget it, maybe you can ask Noah the next time you see him floating around up there, just exactly how many animals he was able to 'cram' on that ark of his. That was a question that always 'bugged' the experts.

Boldnold :D

[mrwiseguy7]

It only exists if you believe in it.

a. If heaven doesn't exist and you believe in it, then you'll die thinking you'll go there and next thing the lights go out, your mind stops thinking, and your last thought will probably be happy<unless you think you're going to hell>.

b. If heaven do exist and if you don't believe in it, then according to the bible you're on a one-road ticket to hell so what does heaven matter to you?

But if you believe in reincarnation, plz ignore the above :sorry: .

[Boldnold]

It only exists if you believe in it.

a. If heaven doesn't exist and you believe in it, then you'll die thinking you'll go there and next thing the lights go out, your mind stops thinking, and your last thought will probably be happy<unless you think you're going to hell>.

b. If heaven do exist and if you don't believe in it, then according to the bible you're on a one-road ticket to hell so what does heaven matter to you?

But if you believe in reincarnation, plz ignore the above :sorry: .

If you're really curious to find out if heaven exists, then go and volunteer to feed the Great White Sharks off of Australia coast. They're pretty hungry these days. If we don't hear from you again, then we'll know you've started your journey. Where you'll end up? Better take along some asbestos clothes and a pitch fork just to be safe. Keep us sinners posted!

Boldnold :D

[Mattbeekler]

Nope there sure aint.

[Boldnold]

Nope there sure aint.

It's always good to hear from someone who knows for sure!

Boldnold :D

[David Upton]

Since no one who has ever been to Heaven (or Hell, for that matter) has ever come back to tell us about it, then there can be no evidence for its existence. I can invent any kind of "belief" I like and have complete faith in it, but that doesn't make it true. Why are we even discussing such a pointless question? To quote Mark Twain "Faith is believing what you know ain't true".

[Fei Hu]

Heaven is Wrigley Field in June and in Septwember.

[Boldnold]

Since no one who has ever been to Heaven (or Hell, for that matter) has ever come back to tell us about it, then there can be no evidence for its existence. I can invent any kind of "belief" I like and have complete faith in it, but that doesn't make it true. Why are we even discussing such a pointless question? To quote Mark Twain "Faith is believing what you know ain't true".


We'll look forward to you being the first one to 'Hell' & back. Any updates on what's going on down there will be greatly appreciated, especially for us sinners.

Boldnold :D

[Mattbeekler]

It's always good to hear from someone who knows for sure!

Boldnold :D

Yep, figured I should be sure about at least one thing in life, amazingly enough i picked the one thing others are not sure of :)

[Boldnold]

Yep, figured I should be sure about at least one thing in life, amazingly enough i picked the one thing others are not sure of :)

When your time comes, if you're one of the lucky ones who get's chosen to go down South instead, maybe you can give us sinners an update of what the charcoal broil dude really looks like that is standing infront of the door with the sign above it with the words 'Abandon all Hope'. You know who I mean, the sun burned dog faced dude with the Yul Brenner haircut.

Boldnold :D

[servantx]

Heaven exists. Jesus in the bible indicated very clearly that there is eternal life with God, that there is a paradise.

I heard many stories of Near Death Experiences on this website, notice that many stories have similarity about hell or heaven experiences....

Please check so many cases said about:

darkness - desended to grave?
garden - heaven?
fire of torment - hell?

Each of these 3 categories have over 20 cases when I read through...but I didn't have enough time to count through all cases.

http://www.nderf.org/archives_second_half_2004.htm
http://www.nderf.org/archives_First_half_2004.htm
http://www.nderf.org/archives_2003.htm
http://www.nderf.org/archives_2ndhalf2002.htm
http://www.nderf.org/archives_1stHalf2002.htm
http://www.nderf.org/archives_1998_2001.htm

Revelation 3:4
Yet you have a few people in Sardis who have not soiled their clothes. They will walk with me, dressed in white, for they are worthy.

Revelation 3:5
He who overcomes will, like them, be dressed in white. I will never blot out his name from the book of life, but will acknowledge his name before my Father and his angels.

Revelation 6:11
Then each of them was given a white robe, and they were told to wait a little longer, until the number of their fellow servants and brothers who were to be killed as they had been was completed.

Revelation 7:15
And he said, “These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Therefore, “they are before the throne of God and serve him day and night in his temple; and he who sits on the throne will spread his tent over them.

[Mattbeekler]

Quoteing the bible really dosent help your argument, or jesus for that matter... These days, these days in High School they teach research techniques. You see, there are 5 critera for determining the reliablility of a source. - Accuracy, authority, objectivity, currency, and coverage. You really want any source you use to have at least 3 out 5 of these criteria, if not all. So lets make a little check list shall we? We'll rate these on a scale of 1 to 10, 10 being the best of course

Accuracy - considering there are not too many other 'historic' texts from the time period.. yeah this ones out. ill give its accuracy a 3

Authority - This means do the authors have real credentials in what they are writing about? I apparently they were saints.. well thats not much of a title for a non believer... well.. some of them were there... i guess.... and some of them talked to 'god' or something... or maybe it was someone outside their tent with a deep voice, who knows? definently out. yeah, thats about a 1

Objectivity - yeah, well the bible is not objective. Its a tool for making people think a certain way, and provides no other views within it, so this ones out. Zero

Currency - ha. ZERO

Covereage - i guess they covered alot... its a pretty long book... 2

6 / 50... thats worse than failing, a whole 12%. You can even be extremely generous and the bible will still not pass as a reliable source.

My deal is this: Use reliable sources, if you believe the bible is a reliable source, others may not, and if this is the case they will not believe it... and if you cannot make others believe it, or at least question themselves, why even post?

[servantx]

If you read carefully about the quoting from the bible in my post are focused in one thing in common:

People who dressed in white robe.

Now read many of those NDE stories, there are also many cases saying the person saw people who dressed in white, which is very interesting to me in that it is similar to what was protrayed in the Book of Revelation in the Bible.

I am comparing on what the Near Death Experience cases with the text in the holy bible.

[Mattbeekler]

If you read carefully about the quoting from the bible in my post are focused in one thing in common:

People who dressed in white robe.

Now read many of those NDE stories, there are also many cases saying the person saw people who dressed in white, which is very interesting to me in that it is similar to what was protrayed in the Book of Revelation in the Bible.

I am comparing on what the Near Death Experience cases with the text in the holy bible.

Think about this - why dosent it say what religion these people are, or what kind of upbringing they have? Is it not possible, even probable that since they most likely are Chrisitan that these thoughts of lights and people in white robes are just what they believe will happen, thus it happens.. in their minds?

[Boldnold]

Think about this - why dosent it say what religion these people are, or what kind of upbringing they have? Is it not possible, even probable that since they most likely are Chrisitan that these thoughts of lights and people in white robes are just what they believe will happen, thus it happens.. in their minds?

It's kind of exciting thinking about who or what will greet those lucky people that get that one-way ticket South when their time comes. Probably something worst than your worst nightmare. The Christian ethic says they will spend all eternity in Hell. What could be worst? Maybe being forced to listen to a Newt G. lecture tape.

Boldnold :lol:

[Seki]

Heaven; paradise, enlightenment/nirvana if you will
Is rather simply not being alone in this world

If theres something more after death thats for me to find out then
Ill be ready to know

Until then Ill do my damnedest to enjoy whatevers left of my life, be it five days or fifty years

[Boldnold]

Heaven; paradise, enlightenment/nirvana if you will
Is rather simply not being alone in this world

If theres something more after death thats for me to find out then
Ill be ready to know

Until then Ill do my damnedest to enjoy whatevers left of my life, be it five days or fifty years

I imagine an afterlife was probably much more simpler for the (so they say) less-than-intelligent neanderthals. No Gods, no going to Heaven or Hell, no Devils or Demons to worry about. Just good ole fashion club meetings, spear throwing and bolder rolling. Dance around the camp fire a few times, pound on your chest and grunt and throw a few insults and stones at your buddies and chow down on some delicious wild pig. It seems the more so-called intelligent we get, the more we're concerned (or worried) about going to 'Heaven' or ending up in 'Hell'. It kinda makes you wonder if any of us sinners down here that get lucky enough to hitch a ride to 'Heaven' will run into some of our neanderthal buddies up there. Just in case you do, give them my regards. There should be a lot of them up there I would think.

Boldnold :)

[DRMIZER]

Heaven is what you want it to be. . . . .Wonder where it is?

[Simba]

Heaven is what you want it to be. . . . .Wonder where it is?

Yeah, its called Chile. The next surfer heaven.

[Boldnold]

Yeah, its called Chile. The next surfer heaven.

If for some reason 'Chile' doesn't turn out to be the 'Surfer Heaven' as you call it and you end up somewhere else instead, like dodging flames and pitch forks. It would be helpful if perhaps you could give us 'surfin' sinners down here an update wherever you end up so we can prepare our surfboards with something more appropriate other than wax. Those rocks get pretty hot down there. Also, if you have the time, give our regards to the red faced bald headed dude with the horns sittin in the 'Hot Tub'.

Boldnold :D