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Goupillon
03-07-2005, 03:30 PM
I'm just nearing the end of reading the da-vinci code, so this article really scared me! lol

Financial Times
By Tony Barber
Published: March 5

According to Roman Catholic Church rules, the choice of the next Pope will rest with the cardinals, currently numbering 118, who are under the age of 80 and who will hold a conclave in the Vatican's Sistine Chapel after John Paul II's death.

But some Church-watchers are asking to what extent the cardinals' decision will be guided by a conservative Catholic movement that has steadily increased its influence at the Vatican in the twilight years of John Paul's papacy.

Opus Dei, a movement founded in Spain in 1928, is often criticised by liberal Catholics for being secretive, elitist and tolerant of seemingly bizarre acts of physical self-punishment on the part of its devotees.

"One of the most powerful and reactionary organisations in the Roman Catholic Church today" is how Catholics For a Free Choice, a Washington-based liberal group, describes the organisation.

No one in the Church doubts Opus Dei's support for John Paul's theological conservatism and his hard line on sexual ethics, but the accusation of being a subversive "church within a church" cuts little ice with the organisation's 85,000 members.

They stress their movement's spirituality and commitment to work and duty, and they take immense pride in the fact that Josemaria Escrivá de Balaguer, their founder, was made a saint by John Paul in October 2002.

It is, however, precisely John Paul's support for Opus Dei that has put the liberals' nerves on edge. Pope Paul VI, who reigned from 1963 to 1978, was famously cold towards Opus Dei, but all that has changed during John Paul's 26-year papacy.

Not only was Escrivá canonised a mere 27 years after his death - an unusually speedy path to sainthood by Church standards - but in 1982 John Paul gave a special canonical status to Opus Dei. By making the movement a "personal prelature", he effectively stripped local bishops of control over Opus Dei's activities.

In the past four years, two Opus Dei churchmen have been awarded a cardinal's hat: Juan Luis Cipriani of Peru, and Julián Herranz, the Spanish-born president of the pontifical council for legislative texts.

Cardinal Herranz has emerged as one of the five or six prelates closest to John Paul during his recent illnesses, which have confined the 84-year-old Pope to hospital and have at times prevented him from communicating except by means of short handwritten notes to his immediate entourage.

Cardinal Herranz convenes occasional meetings with other cardinals at an Opus Dei-owned villa in Grottarosa in the Roman countryside, a practice that may assume more importance if it continues in the days before the next conclave.

Another of those in frequent close contact with the Pope is Joaquin Navarro-Valls, John Paul's ultra-loyal spokesman and a prominent Opus Dei layman.

Opus Dei's influence in the Church was on open display at Escrivá's canonisation, which was attended by 42 cardinals. Not all will take part in the next conclave, and those who do may not vote as a bloc, but it was a striking demonstration that Opus Dei's star was on the rise.

According to one Church-watcher, it is also noteworthy that the prelate who will be the most powerful figure in the Vatican between John Paul's death and the election of his successor has connections to Opus Dei. He is Cardinal Eduardo Martinez Somalo, the Vatican's Spanish-born "camerlengo", or chamberlain.

The cardinal, whose nephew is an Opus Dei priest, will have the responsibility of administering the Holy See's money and property until the next Pope is elected.

He will also arrange John Paul's funeral and prepare the conclave.

Some Catholic academics in Rome caution against reading too much into Opus Dei's influence at the Vatican. The outcome of conclaves, they emphasise, is all but impossible to predict, and Opus Dei is not especially powerful in the Italian Church, which will provide 20 of the 118 cardinal-electors.

"The Jesuits were strong under Pius XII, but now that is less true," noted one theologian, referring to the Pope who reigned from 1939 to 1958.

More info about Opus Dei at http://www.mond.at/opus.dei/ and [url]http://www.opusdei.org/[url]

Captain America
03-07-2005, 03:41 PM
Who really cares about who or what the new pope is gonna be? I ask that seriously.

Meet the new pope. Same as the old pope. A guy in a flowing robe wearing a funny hat. Religion is fading away anyways. At least in the educated world it is. It may thrive in some desert tent somewhere in the ME, but it is fading away in modern society. Thus my question, who really cares?

I'm sure some do. I don't.

Goupillon
03-07-2005, 03:46 PM
If you dont care, why are you posting on the religion forum :confused:

Its not exactly fading away in the US, the rise of religious evangelism there has got to have any rational minded person worrying - I know it worries me. The reason I posted this was to see if anyone had more information than me on the Opus Dei as I have only just recently heard about them since reading the Da-Vinci Code.

Captain America
03-07-2005, 03:52 PM
If you dont care, why are you posting on the religion forum :confused:



I'm just bored I suppose. Religion and boredom go hand in hand in my book. They say misery loves a friend. What better place to be when you're bored than in a religious section?

Actually, I just click on "new posts" when I surf Whistle Stopper. I don't care what forum the posts originate. I'll comment to any that I feel like commenting on.

Goupillon
03-07-2005, 04:02 PM
fair enough, i myself was just picking out random news articles out of boredom, this one just caught my eye because of the book I was reading.

Captain America
03-07-2005, 04:10 PM
I intend on reading that book as well. If you are into ancient curiosities, might I recommend The Hiram Key ? Although, unlike the DiVinci Code, The Hiram Key is documented facts for the most part and doesn't leave a lot to the imagination. Until the Hiram Key was published, many of these secrets were only known to the Freemason fraternities. After reading it, you'll understand their past desire to keep certain things secret. I think that today's society can handle these truths, unlike the past societies that would string you up for simply questioning the infoulability of the church.

Blueangel
03-07-2005, 04:46 PM
Who really cares about who or what the new pope is gonna be? I ask that seriously.
Strange as it may seem, I do actually care about this as one of the rank outside candidates was my parish priest when I was growing up, and a good friend of my brother's. Regardless of my lack of faith generally, he's a very good man.

Dangerrmouse
03-07-2005, 08:09 PM
I believe that Ruth Kelly, the UK education secretary is a member, and there was some odd speculation the other day that Tony Blair was considering joining up, even although he is not (yet?) a Catholic.

Albert
03-07-2005, 09:44 PM
The concerning parts to me is the odd way the Roman Catholic Church has been going about its business these past few years that John Paul II has been in decline. For those familiar with the political structure of the church one might be alarmed at the ideological jockeying that has been taking place between the conservatives and the liberal bishops. What seems particularly alarming is the number of “advisory” letters pumped out by a few Cardinals in Rome that seem to be designed to thwart progressive impulses particularly in the Americas. The organization has taken on the aroma a leadership void with various groups assuming aspects normally reserved for the Pope.

So I believe the real issue is whether a new Pope can be named who can re-establish some form of unity. It would certainly seem that a “win” by any of the number of conservative factions looking to role back Vatican II will speed the dissolution of the Church as we know it. What I find alarming is that many of my conservative brothers and sisters seem to look forward to this.

JoeR
03-08-2005, 12:58 AM
Its not exactly fading away in the US, the rise of religious evangelism

Is there a rise the number of religious, or just an increase in the volume of the voices of those who are?

Blueangel
03-08-2005, 01:06 AM
I believe that Ruth Kelly, the UK education secretary is a member, and there was some odd speculation the other day that Tony Blair was considering joining up, even although he is not (yet?) a Catholic.
Blair's always been Catholic.

I must say, having been born and brought up a Roman Catholic, I was not at all aware of the deep suspicions many people hold about the church before I came to this forum. It's been a real eye opener and most of what I've read as been so unfounded that it's hilarious!

Plato
03-08-2005, 10:18 AM
Blair's always been Catholic.

I must say, having been born and brought up a Roman Catholic, I was not at all aware of the deep suspicions many people hold about the church before I came to this forum. It's been a real eye opener and most of what I've read as been so unfounded that it's hilarious!

Blair is a Catholic and this is certain as the P{ope himself gave him communion - which he certainly would not do if he was not a baptized Catholic. The problem is that is illegal in the UK for a Catholic to be the Prime Minister - hence the secrecy. As soon as he is no longer PM I'm sure he will come out.

Blueangel, I'm not sure what isolated part of the Catholic Church you were in, but I have always been aware of the insidious effect of the ultra Right within the Church, particularly in the papacy. The collaboration of the papacy in WW2 with the Nazis and various acts of genocide in the Balkans is well documented. At the very least the Church turned a blind eye to the Holocaust, as opposed to the very heroic martyrdom of thousands of its priests (see Max Kolbe (http://www.auschwitz.dk/Kolbe.htm) ). This Pope has condemned priests fighting for social justice in Latin America. His "kissing the tarmac" tour was to me nothing but an act of vanity. The homophobia that he has encouraged and his views that secular laws should be used to govern matters of conscience (particularly on sexual ethics) are a disgrace. If there has been any individual who has caused me to reject the Catholic faith that I held deeply in my youth, it is this deeply flawed individual. Vicar of Christ - my arse!

The collusion of the Catholic church with despots like Franco and Pinochet is a crime that cries out to heaven for vengeance. Look how the real "saints" are treated by John Paul's cronies:

Archbishop Romero betrayed (http://www.thetablet.co.uk/cgi-bin/archive_db.cgi?tablet-00458)

Dangerrmouse
03-09-2005, 07:06 PM
It would seem he's not. I must confess, I don't know why I believed he was anything but RC, and accepted that he was, then I found this. A Roman Catholic source would know, wouldn't they? I thought the Act of Settlement precluded the monarchy from Catholicism, not the PM.

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2001/113/14.0.html

He's supposedly Anglican, but was taking Catholic communion?

Plato
03-09-2005, 07:49 PM
He's supposedly Anglican, but was taking Catholic communion?

From the Pope. I think he would only do this if he knew him to be a catholic convert. Even though all Blair's family are practising Catholics and Blair regularly attends the Catholic Mass, he has kept up the official line that he is an Anglican. as his job is to appoint the Head of the Church of England (via the Monarch), this is maybe why. Our constitutional confusion is all part of our heritage.

Viking
03-18-2005, 04:22 PM
Bring on the days of the Inquisition! Lets liven this planet up!!!!!

gopman
03-18-2005, 04:36 PM
Despite their villification by Dan Brown, Opus Dei is just a group of people who try to honor God through their work and family. It really isn't anything to be concerned about, and they certainly don't have any means of influencing the Church on theological grounds. Catholics believe that the Pope is a conduit for the Holy Spirit on religious matters, and unless they've figured out a way to bribe God, they're not going to affect Church policy on spiritual issues.