House approves ban on controversial abortion procedure

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WASHINGTON (AP) -- The House voted Thursday to ban a type of abortion that for years has been at the center of the debate over a woman's reproductive rights. President Bush has promised to sign the bill into law and opponents say they will immediately challenge it in court.

The drive to stop what opponents call partial birth abortion "will finally become law and the performance of this barbaric procedure will finally come to an end," said House Judiciary Committee Chairman James Sensenbrenner, R-Wisconsin.

Critics said the partial birth ban, twice vetoed by President Clinton, was part of a larger agenda to undermine the 1973 Supreme Court decision supporting a woman's right to end a pregnancy. It's "an attempt to whittle away at a woman's constitutional right to her privacy and control of her body," said Rep. Louise Slaughter, D-New York. The timing of this is interesting. Both sides will likely use the issue in upcoming elections.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/10/02/congress.abortion.ap/index.html

[NetxMan]

Yes, glad this is finally passing. I think it is pretty sick what they do to the little children.

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Originally posted by NetxMan
Yes, glad this is finally passing. I think it is pretty sick what they do to the little children. That makes for an interesting debate - what constitutes "little children"? Many people agree with you, but many others do not. It will be interesting to see what the new members in the forum think of this.

[NetxMan]

I don't think it is an agree or disagree on Partial Birth. The words kinda says it for itself.

I was asked by a Doctor I know to watch a Partial ***** aborotion at one time. It was plan and simple murder. I have 4 children of my own, and they looked the same as they child I saw murdered.

Look at these, this is exactly what they do.



http://www.nrlc.org/abortion/pba/PBA_Images/Pba15.jpg

http://www.nrlc.org/abortion/pba/PBA_Images/Pba25.jpg

http://www.nrlc.org/abortion/pba/PBA_Images/Pba35.jpg

http://www.nrlc.org/abortion/pba/PBA_Images/Pba45.jpg

http://www.nrlc.org/abortion/pba/PBA_Images/Pba55.jpg

If you will notice in the last one, this is where they are cutting into the back of the childs heads in preperation to pull his brain out.

You can argue and argue about normal abortion, but this, I don't think so. Any human that would consider this normal, and ok, is a sick sick person.

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Yes, abortion at the stage in the pictures you posted is disgusting, you'll get no argument from me.

[James]

Control over the womans body?? Its the kid they are killing. Nothing is happening to the womans body except pain. Put the child up for adoption at least! We could have killed possible great leaders and scientists with the amount of abortions that have been done.

[darshan]

If the mother's life was at stake unless such a procedure were performed I can see the justification. However in most cases this is for purely selfish reason's.

You have to draw the line somewhere and I think Congress did the right thing.

[MrZero]

The linked images truely sickened me to my stomach. I have always held the belief that all abortion is murder with the exception of cases involving medical neccesity for the mothers health (including mental health such as a victim of rape) and where there will be no quality of life for the infant (for example extreme mental or physical retardation).

I think the fact that we actually need to make laws against this type of procedure is a sad commnetary on the state of humanity.

[gopman]

The women can exercise control over their body by not getting pregnant. Just because an unborn child depends on its mother for survival doesn't mean that she should have the power to kill it any more than she should have the power to kill a ten year old child.

I also disagree that children with congenital diseases should be aborted, no matter how severe those disorders may be. Who are we to say that there will be no "quality" to their life? And in the case of rape, I don't think the child should be punished for the fathers actions.

I am undecided about aborting pregnancies that would kill the mother. It is an interesting ethical question- if both would have died, then saving one life may be the best solution; however I don't think anyone could ethically do that, considering that it can't be said with 100% certainty that the birth will kill the mother. I guess it can be done on an individual basis.

I think the decision in Roe v. Wade took to loose a position with the constitution anyway, and I think it is about time that decision were overturned. If you don't know, they ruled that the woman's right to privacy protected her from being prevented from having an abortion. They neglected to consider the rights of the child, who by the definition provided by biology, is alive. It is accepted doctrine that one's rights end where they infringe on the rights of another, so logically abortion should be unconstitutional.

[Socrates]

Frankly, even the thought of any sort of abortion sickens me to the bone. There has been many an activist who was fighting for abortion be turned to the other side just by witnessing what they were actully fighting for. Once they see the little baby desparately fighting for its right to even be born how can they hold on to their beliefs? No one, not the government, the family, or even the mother has the right to decide life or death for a child that never even had the chance to take its first breath. Some say that a fetus is not alive until the moment of birth, but I do not believe this is so. There are many testimonies from people who have had or seen an abortion that the fetus is alive, and just trying to survive. How far has American culture sunk that we would allow murder of babies on a daily bases?

[EntImp]

I wont click on those images as I dont want to view them.
I am not a pro lifer in the slightest and believe the woman should have a choice to a large extent.

However... but I believe a pregnancy should only be terminated for the most extreme reasons. Rape and where the mothers health is at risk for example.

In other less extreme cases the child should be taken for adoption. To have an abortion because one got silly on a Friday night is no valid reason at all.

[gopman]

I still see ethical problems with abortion in extreme cases.

It is impossible to say with certainty that a birth will kill the baby. Therefore, no one can justify taking the life of the baby.

In the case of rape, the child can not be punished for the sins of the father.

[EntImp]

You can not also put the mothers life at potential risk either.

As for the rape... it is also wrong to commit a woman to a nine month prison sentance by forcing her to have a birth she did not want. Then putting her through the mental anguish because of the biological strains thus put on her life.

Her possible career down the plug hole and the chance of a possible marriage going up in flames and the destruction of her exisiting family.

Rape victims should have this choice as well.

[gopman]

So you should kill someone who had nothing to do with the crime? It's sad, but that's life. It is illegal in the United States for an employer to discriminate against an employee because she is pregnant. That is stated in the Maternity Act. The woman can give away the baby to adoption and not have any additional problems finding a husband. If a man refuses to marry her because she was raped, then she nevery should have married him to begin with.

The life of everyone is at risk all the time. You can't kill the child just because there is a risk. You would need to have 100% certainty that the birth would kill the mother and the child before abortion becomes an option.

[EntImp]

A pregnancy for a raped woman is a nine month prison sentance she did not ask for. If she is already married with a family this could destroy the rest fo her life. She has every right to eject the alien and unasked for entity inside her.

I do not defend the right to an abortion other than in the 2 cases I have pointed out.

[NetxMan]

An abortion is a lifetime prison sentence. Ask any women who has had one.