Shooting on television

[Missouri Mule]

You should catch the tape of this guy shooting this lawyer in California. Damnest thing I have ever seen. The lawyer was behind a tree and it is a wonder he wasn't killed. You would have to see this to believe it. The lawyer is expected to live.

[Captain America]

Saw it. Obviously the shooter is NOT from Texas. He couldn't hit the side of a barn.

Generally speaking, Texans can shoot the balls off of a gnat at 100 yards. In the military, when I would get fresh recruits off of the bus, I would ask who was from Texas? I would send those boys into the rifle teams. Fine marksman they are.

But then again, lawyers are pretty slippery. I imagine thay would be more difficult of a target than a gnat:D :D

[Missouri Mule]

The news is that this lawyer raided the guy's trust account. I wonder if the lawyer will press charges.

[Captain America]

Raided his trust account?

There ya go.

Have you ever heard, "Never send a boy to do a man's job?"

I say, "Never send a pistol to do a shotguns job."

:mad: :mad: :mad:

[marv]

If the shooter thought the lawyer robbed his trust (and some anticipated future life-style), he'll at the least get second prize - free room and board for life! :D~

[Captain America]

That's funny. I had the very same thought yesterday. Great minds think alike.;)

[NetxMan]

Did you see how the camera men did nothing though? I thought that was kinda sick, they just watched it go down and wanted the story rather than providing some kinda help.

[Captain America]

I ain't no hero but I believe I would have cleaned that guys clock if I would have been there and could have prevented it all.

[cxepwn]

Someone on pravda posted that it was typical of a bloody lawyer to find a loophole.. and not die!


:angel:

[ukperspective]

I saw it and it was very sick

how come no one in the states thinks people running around willy nilly with guns is a bad thing ?

In the Uk we banned the possession of most handguns after a school shooting because it so otraged the whole country. Yuo can get 5 years just for pocession and most people accept that.

People who love guns are seen as weird and dangerous. We dont like kids getting shot in schools. However mention that sort of measure in the states and they think you are Lenin .

Its fun to laugh at lawyers but on a serious point hows this for an idea ...

Have laws to stop nutters runnning around with guns ??!!

They're dangerous you know ...and no you dont need them to shoot racoons as in the constitution this is the 21st century.

Right to bear arms = recipe for disaster

[Missouri Mule]

ukperspective: Our second amendment provides that any non felon shall not be deprived of his right to own a weapon. If someone tries to break down my door to do harm to my family I am not rendered helpless. No foreign power would even think of coming here for that reason. Yamamota made the observation that invasion of the U.S. mainland was impossible because behind every blade of grass is an American with a gun. He was right.

[ukperspective]

MM: Im not being flippant when I say that the world has moved on from the founding fathers but clearly many in the US havent. Its rubbish to suggest that no country could harm the US because of all the guns that private citizens hold, 9/11 proves that. The murder rates in the US are many many times those of most of europe because of some right of honour that all your citizens (mainly the poorest in the inner cities) get to carry guns. and kill each other

Maybe Ill never understand the clearly v heartfelt American need to have arms in their houses but Im sure glad I dont live somewhere where kids regularly get shot in schools that is scary. Wouldn't the job of the police be a bit easier if there were not so many guns in private hands ?

They are dangerous they kill people

I pray that guns are severely restricted in the UK and kept in a very few criminal hands . As I have a sister and family in the US I care about the crime and gun culture there. Theres one thing that guns are used for most holding up the seven eleven store and shooting people not defending property.

Are you seriously telling me that things are that out of control in your country that you have to have an armed guard every night walking around your garden ??? Thats doesnt sound like a cosy place to me.

[Missouri Mule]

"Are you seriously telling me that things are that out of control in your country that you have to have an armed guard every night walking around your garden ??? Thats doesnt sound like a cosy place to me."

I shouldn't advertise this fact but I often leave the house without locking the doors.

My point about Yamamota was that no land army could hope to conquer the U.S. because of our armed citizenry. Yamamota recoganized that fact and felt the only way the Japanese could hope to win WWII was to take out our Pacific fleet especially our carriers. That didn't happen and they lost the war.

[DRMIZER]

Yea, the guy was a bad shot. . . .what else can be said?

[gopman]

If the lawyer would have exercised his 2nd amendment right, he could have blasted that guy.

[Missouri Mule]

A good reason to have "concealed carry." It's called self-protection.

[ukperspective]

Sure

and where would that get us all ?

so the answer to spiralling gun violence is .. er loads more guns!

What a load of nonsense

I hope they nail that nutter with the gun by the way

Is he going to do time for attempted murder and is there any further news on that case ?

[Missouri Mule]

Aggravated assault, attempted murder; yes, I would think he will go to the slammer for a good long time.

"Concealed Carry" gets us on a level playing field with the criminals who flout the gun laws. If I am not mistaken, the states have concealed carry have lower crime rates. The bad guys know they have an excellent chance of paying with their lives.

[up2date]

Originally posted by Missouri Mule
Aggravated assault, attempted murder; yes, I would think he will go to the slammer for a good long time.

"Concealed Carry" gets us on a level playing field with the criminals who flout the gun laws. If I am not mistaken, the states have concealed carry have lower crime rates. The bad guys know they have an excellent chance of paying with their lives. I'm not going to argue against "concealed carry" at the moment, but I will at least put this forward: it won't work everywhere. In large cities, for example. I love New York City. If If I knew a good percentage of people were concealing a firearm, I might just have to leave.

[ukperspective]

concealed carry eh ?


so business men go to work with a piece under their suit ???!!


You cannot be serious what happens when they lose em , or kids find them? orthey drop them on the floor unbeleivable

Still we live in different worlds I guess

We're trying to get guns off the streets - and go in hard against anyone who carrys ( concealed or not)

and I for one think thats a good thing

[JLwH211]

Originally posted by ukperspective
They are dangerous they kill people



Guns don't kill people.... stupid people with guns kill people. There's a difference. Just because I own a gun, doesn't mean I'm going to shoot whoever looks at me funny.

The guy will serve some time, no doubt. You can't fire on anyone just because they ticked you off.

[JLwH211]

Originally posted by ukperspective

You cannot be serious what happens when they lose em , or kids find them? orthey drop them on the floor unbeleivable



People aren't in the habit of "losing" their guns. I don't think I've ever heard of someone losing their weapon. If they are dumb enough to lose it, they shouldn't own anyway.

And dropping them on the floor? Are you serious? I've been able to shoot since I was 8. In all my life, I have never dropped a gun.

It's unbelievable to me that you think people are so careless when it comes to firearms.

[Missouri Mule]

"If If I knew a good percentage of people were concealing a firearm, I might just have to leave."

So we now have criminals, who don't obey laws, carrying weapons while the law abiding citizen is prevented from doing so. How is this logical?

As I have stated, I believe the facts will show that a well armed citizenry will reduce crime; not increase it.

There is an interesting story from a few years ago. It seems that a lunatic burst into a Luby's restaurant in Texas. After he emptied his guns some 24 people lay dead. Among the survivors was a young woman who ordinarily carried a weapon but was prevented from bringing it into the restaurant. Because of this she was unable to do anything to protect her parents who she was seated with. They were both shot to death while she hid under the table. I believe she testified before Congress about this matter. It was a real eye opener.

[Missouri Mule]

Proclaiming Faith in a Day of Infamy: The Killeen, Texas Massacre

By Jimmy Towers

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The Houston Chronicle - Aug. 11,2001

Shooting rampage at Killeen Luby's left 24 dead

Before Oct. 16, 1991, the Central Texas town of Killeen was perhaps best known for its proximity to the Army base at Fort Hood, and Luby's was known only regionally as a popular cafeteria chain that served a wide variety of inexpensive dishes.

But on that day, both came to be linked to what was then the worst mass murder in U.S. history.

At 12:45 p.m., 35-year-old George Hennard of nearby Belton drove his pickup truck through a window at the Killeen Luby's and killed 24 people. His 15-minute rampage ended when he shot himself after being wounded by police officers.

http://www.lifeway.com/lwc/lwc_cda_article/0,1643,A%253D152607%2526X%253D1%2526M%253D50088,00 .html

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Concealed carry may have prevented some or all of these needless deaths.

[JLwH211]

Originally posted by Missouri Mule

Concealed carry may have prevented some or all of these needless deaths.

I agree.

[ukperspective]

in response to JLwH211 ( a few posts above ) I think its unbeleivable that you are careless enough as a nation to allow so many people to carry around guns willy nilly belieivng that the good guys ( ie an armed citizenry ) will stamp out the violence.

The unbeleivable rate of death and mayhem caused by this anarchy is beyond belief. Did you know that there are 11,000 deaths a year in the US through shooting ? True In the UK
(admittedly with a tenth of your population our figure is betweeen 50 and 100.

Its rising so we are going in hard on people who have handguns - they are seen as dangerous and have to have their guns safely kept at a gun club. Are you really saying that all those killings are by the 'bad guys' or just honest armed citizenry who are having a bad day.

Herss who actually needs guns ...

soldiers
farmers for shooting animals
some police

heres who doesnt need guns

criminals
school children
er anyone else ( except in a shooting club)

result = a lot less death



Michael Moore was the best selling author in the US on 2003 so maybe some people are seeing sense


Any of you guys seen the film Bowling for Colombine ????

[Missouri Mule]

And without guns you are powerless to protect yourself. I'll take the guns. When guns are outlawed only the criminals will have the guns.

From what I have read, the UK is now one of the most dangerous places on earth in which to live. Am I wrong?

[ukperspective]

are you kidding me ?


"from what I have read the Uk is one of the most dangerous places to live am I wrong ?"

I think you are or did you miss the 11,000 people that get shot a year in the US ????


We are certainly not perfect but its not the uk where kids get gunned down in their schools seemingly every month or so .....

[Missouri Mule]

Actually it might be more than that. However, it is my impression that muggings, burglaries and the like are out of control in the UK.

Most of those shootings in the schools are the indirect result of the social dyfunctional families in the inner cities. That is the direct result of the benighted social policies of the liberals. All of this "self-esteem" BS that has been peddled and moral relativism has led to this situation.

[up2date]

Originally posted by Missouri Mule
Most of those shootings in the schools are the indirect result of the social dyfunctional families in the inner cities. That is the direct result of the benighted social policies of the liberals. All of this "self-esteem" BS that has been peddled and moral relativism has led to this situation. Blame the liberals? I don't think so.

And social dysfunctional families in the inner cities? As I recall, most of these major shootings happen in the suburbs, not in the inner cities.

[ukperspective]

Shouldn't the blame more be levelled at irresponsible people like Charlton Heston and the NRA who insist that every crazy or dissaffected person has the right to walk into a gun store whenever they feel like it? . Absolute recipe for disaster. Freedom means lots of things including freedom FROM fear walking the streets as well as freedom TO own a gun.

There are too many muggings in the UK and something needs tio be done but you dont finsd people here suggesting the answer is to give poor and angry people more guns.

In the US someone gets shot dead and it doesnt even make the national news

[Missouri Mule]

"As I recall, most of these major shootings happen in the suburbs, not in the inner cities."

You are talking about the crazies now like the Columbine murders. I'm talking about the inner city kids who regularly carry revolvers in their backpacks.

[Missouri Mule]

"Shouldn't the blame more be levelled at irresponsible people like Charlton Heston and the NRA who insist that every crazy or dissaffected person has the right to walk into a gun store whenever they feel like it?"

Where in the world did you ever get that idea? Responsible gun owners do NOT want "every crazy or dissafected person to walk into a gun store whenever they feel like it." On the contrary. we want them to be prevented from owing or possessing a firearm. to think otherwise would be sheer insanity.

The knee jerk liberals constantly amaze me with their ignorance on this subject. The NRA supports the right to own and use a weapon for law abiding citizens. It does not believe that further restrictions should be placed on law abiding citizens in conformity with our 2nd Amendment rights. I concur. At no time has the NRA ever espoused the right for weirdos, whackos, psychopaths and drugged out individuals to have lethal weapons.

[ukperspective]

Id be interested to know whether the crazies who did the shootings at Columbine or indeed the so called snipers who were taking out innocent people at gas stations actually had criminal convictions previously.

I doubt it, but do you hear the NRA calling for tougher measures ? No 'cos it cuts across some bizarre right to bear arms designed for a different century.

My point is in a country where there are 11,000 shootings a year a horrendous number, the NRA dont ever actually consider that gun ownership ( or should I say gun use) has gone way way too far. Why not leave the real shooting to the police and the army ?

Those who love to shoot if they must can do it perfectly well in a gun club leaving the guns there. That way innocent people can be safe in their beds at night knowing that their next door neighbour probably doesnt have a machine gun under their bed.

[Missouri Mule]

Machine guns are illegal and have been for many years.

[up2date]

Originally posted by Missouri Mule
"As I recall, most of these major shootings happen in the suburbs, not in the inner cities."

You are talking about the crazies now like the Columbine murders. I'm talking about the inner city kids who regularly carry revolvers in their backpacks. The NYC school system literally has hundreds of thousands of students, if not millions. How much violence do you think occurs here in our schools? Even with all these numbers, the number of gun incidents is relatively low.

[Captain America]

I dunno Muley. I am one "knee-jerk liberal" who is armed to the teeth and loaded for bear! I just don't fit in anywhere do I?

[up2date]

Originally posted by Missouri Mule
The NRA supports the right to own and use a weapon for law abiding citizens. It does not believe that further restrictions should be placed on law abiding citizens in conformity with our 2nd Amendment rights. I concur. At no time has the NRA ever espoused the right for weirdos, whackos, psychopaths and drugged out individuals to have lethal weapons. So then the NRA supports more gun control laws, then, since that's the only way to help keep guns out of the hands of "weirdos, whackos, psychopaths and drugged out individuals"

[Missouri Mule]

I believe the NRA has long been on record as asking the existing gun laws be enforced, not that new ones be enacted and directed to law abiding citizens. I see nothing wrong with that. We ARE supposed to obey the law, are we not?

[Animal]

If there were no guns in the US, I'd be the first one to oppose bringing them into this country. But, as we all know, there are (and have been) millions of firearms in this country since God knows when. Bad guys have guns. Gun laws won't change that. I bought my first gun in 1986. Four years later, that gun saved my life. I was confronted by an individual in my home just after 2 AM on January 6th, 1990. He was armed with a gun. Why he was there, we'll never know. I was lucky enough to get off the first (and last) shot. That shot removed his right eye and everything behind it. The intruder was killed instantly. As it turned out, he had served time for assault with a deadly weapon, and was wanted for a parole violation. Had I been unarmed, I would probably be dead. I won't pretend like I'm some 'John Wayne hero'. Killing another human being is a horrendous experience, even when it's in self defence. It took a long time to get over the whole thing. I for one am glad I have a right to have a gun. If someone is against guns, they have the right not to own one.

[Missouri Mule]

Wow! What an experience.