Gas For $3 A Gallon? Place Your Bets Now

[The_Penguin]

Gasoline prices keep rising, but you still might get a chance to pocket some cash now that an online bookmaker is laying odds on how high gas will go.

PinnacleSports.com set its first line Friday on the cost of a gallon of self-serve, regular unleaded gasoline in the United States. Now, anyone 18 and older with access to the Internet can bet whether pump prices will rise or fall.

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http://news.tbo.com/news/MGBEZQY51CE.html

Kinda funny in a twisted way.

[JoeR]

Isn't gas far more expensive elsewhere anyways?

[Senor Herberto]

definately is.

do you know what peak oil is? it is the maximum amount of oil we can bring to the market in a day is, given infrastructure and resources. that figure is around 85 mbd, depending on new field discovery, which has been dwindling rapidly for years already.

world oil consumption is about 83 mbd, and is pegged to the world economy. 2001-2004 oil consumption grew 4% per year. if average economic growth and oil consumption per $GDP continues, we will hit pass peak oil around 2007.

[Churlant]

Good. The higher the price, the sooner we end our dependency on the stuff.

-JC

[The_Penguin]

Good. The higher the price, the sooner we end our dependency on the stuff.

-JC
That's one way to put it. Either that or hybrid cars are going to fly off the lots at a higher pace than normal ones.

[gopman]

I doubt demand is as inelastic as people think. Toyota expects 1 in 4 of the cars it sells in the next decade to be hybrid, and Ford has released the first hybrid SUV. Local and Federal government initiatives along with high prices are making them economical, and there is a worldwide trend toward nuclear generated power. It may hit $3/gal, but probably won't stay that high for long.

[Churlant]

That's one way to put it. Either that or hybrid cars are going to fly off the lots at a higher pace than normal ones.

YOu'd think so, wouldn't you? Americans seem to have extremely short attention spans... I remember last summer, when gas jumped, H2 sales dropped like a rock. Hybrids picked up...

...gas went back down and H2 sales went back to record levels. We just don't seem to have any concept of long-term consequences for anything. In this case, it's going to take sustained, high-priced gasoline to cause any permanent changes.

-JC

[johnk]

YOu'd think so, wouldn't you? Americans seem to have extremely short attention spans... I remember last summer, when gas jumped, H2 sales dropped like a rock. Hybrids picked up...

...gas went back down and H2 sales went back to record levels. We just don't seem to have any concept of long-term consequences for anything. In this case, it's going to take sustained, high-priced gasoline to cause any permanent changes.

-JC
Not to lose focus on the topic at hand, but it would be nice if we had a "shiny object" animated smiley. Smiley starts out paying attention and inquisitive. Something twinkles off to the side. He smiles and turns and then reaches out for it. And then he gets hit by a truck.

Anyway, it's just a thought.

Gas dropped a penny here over the weekend. How about everyone else? So I guess we can let up for awhile. :shinyobject:

[The_Penguin]

YOu'd think so, wouldn't you? Americans seem to have extremely short attention spans... I remember last summer, when gas jumped, H2 sales dropped like a rock. Hybrids picked up...

...gas went back down and H2 sales went back to record levels. We just don't seem to have any concept of long-term consequences for anything. In this case, it's going to take sustained, high-priced gasoline to cause any permanent changes.

-JC
Free-market economics, not a short attention span ;) . In the end, it'll most likely depend on the individual that's doing the driving, if gas is cheap and you buy an SUV and get screwed later on when prices jump then you will have learned a valuable lesson for the future. If you fail to learn this lessong in the beginning, then you're not that bright and you'll suffer from that decision.

[Churlant]

Free-market economics, not a short attention span ;) . In the end, it'll most likely depend on the individual that's doing the driving, if gas is cheap and you buy an SUV and get screwed later on when prices jump then you will have learned a valuable lesson for the future. If you fail to learn this lessong in the beginning, then you're not that bright and you'll suffer from that decision.

:confused:

Yes, the individual... with a short attention span. Someone says "I need a new car", they see high gas prices, buy hybrid. Five months later the price drops, they say "Yay! NOw I can get an SUV!" Buy SUV. Six months after that, gas is high... it happens time and time again, yet no one seems to learn anything from it.

Short attention span.

-JC

[The Big Bog]

Gas has just risen to $2.49/gallon here in Louisville. That's the highest I've ever seen here, at least in recent history.

Doesn't really bother me too bad since I drive a Honda. But we pay for it in other ways, a la higher delivery prices thus higher prices for products we buy in the store, etc. Not good on one's pocket book.

Just curious what Exxon, et al are doing with all their billions of dollars to help find cheaper sources of energy ... :confused: I'm often astounded that we can send dudes to the moon, communicate instantaneously, split atoms, accelerate particles and what not, but we still rely on the dung of prehistoric dead things just to get around.

[Churlant]

Gas has just risen to $2.49/gallon here in Louisville. That's the highest I've ever seen here, at least in recent history.

Doesn't really bother me too bad since I drive a Honda. But we pay for it in other ways, a la higher delivery prices thus higher prices for products we buy in the store, etc. Not good on one's pocket book.

Just curious what Exxon, et al are doing with all their billions of dollars to help find cheaper sources of energy ... :confused: I'm often astounded that we can send dudes to the moon, communicate instantaneously, split atoms, accelerate particles and what not, but we still rely on the dung of prehistoric dead things just to get around.

Exxon, at a $7B profit in a single quarter (3 months...) is looking for more oil. The Energy Bill passed through congress offers up another $2B to help them out with the exploration costs ;)

-JC

[The Big Bog]

Exxon, at a $7B profit in a single quarter (3 months...) is looking for more oil. The Energy Bill passed through congress offers up another $2B to help them out with the exploration costs ;)

-JC
$7B in 3 months, eh? That's a nice little stash o' cash most definitely. God bless 'em. Thank God and greyhound for good ol' Dubya and those tax cuts or I'd never be able to afford to get my butt to work every day. Hmm, would I rather work for the government or for Exxon? Hmmm. Oh well, what can one do? :::Sigh:::

I for one am off to the snack machine for some Doritos ...

[The_Penguin]

:confused:

Yes, the individual... with a short attention span. Someone says "I need a new car", they see high gas prices, buy hybrid. Five months later the price drops, they say "Yay! NOw I can get an SUV!" Buy SUV. Six months after that, gas is high... it happens time and time again, yet no one seems to learn anything from it.

Short attention span.

-JC
I think that a better term would be short-sightedness and this is a problem that individuals have, world-over.

[Churlant]

I think that a better term would be short-sightedness and this is a problem that individuals have, world-over.

Hey, call it what you want to... the end result remains the same.



$7B in 3 months, eh? That's a nice little stash o' cash most definitely. God bless 'em.


Oh, it's only the single highest profit report in history.

And we STILL subsidize them. :mad:

-JC

[The Big Bog]

Oh well, it's what we get for being at the bottom of the food chain I guess. Such is the plight of wee little folk like me. I guess we all made a huge mistake not working for and/or investing in Exxon. Lord, what was I thinking when I made my career choice anyway? Here I'm working at this company that provides all this boring job training for underprivileged youth and all this worthless social assistance and health care to people who are mentally disabled. Jeez, what a putz I am! My face is so red. And to think I could have become a big time executive and/or shareholder of Exxon Corp. I guess I'm just not one of God's Chosen Ones.

Oh well. I accept my fate of neverending subservience to your eminence and gladly bow down to all the great oil gods of Exxon. You win. Here's my 3 bucks. Buy yourself a nice comfy executives chair.

[soundcrd]

Exxon isn't doing a damn thing about other sources of energy, but other oil companies, like BP and Shell, are. I interviewed for internships with all three of those companies last Fall, and I asked each of them what the corporate stance was on environmental issues, oil availability, etc. Exxon said basically that they don't care baout the environment and they're going to keep pulling oil out of the ground as long as they can make a profit. It obviously wasn't phrased like that, but that's pretty much the meaning of what the guy said. BP and Shell both said that they realize that oil supplies are dwindling and are therefore diversifying to be sure to still be viable when other options come to the forefront. BP said they expect 25% of their sales to come from alternative energy sources by 2015.

[towski]

Oh well, it's what we get for being at the bottom of the food chain I guess. Such is the plight of wee little folk like me. I guess we all made a huge mistake not working for and/or investing in Exxon. Lord, what was I thinking when I made my career choice anyway? Here I'm working at this company that provides all this boring job training for underprivileged youth and all this worthless social assistance and health care to people who are mentally disabled. Jeez, what a putz I am!


Don't you remember? This is America! Turn that frown Upside Down, little camper! All you need to do is work hard, take your vitamins, say your prayers, go to church every single sunday, and vote republican, and you can be president some day.

It's the American Dream.

Just make sure you don't do any of the following: Question Authority, deviate from the norm, believe differently from the mainstream, think too deeply, create anything artistic, care about the downtrodden, question the bible, or attempt to discredit Nascar. Those are sins.

[Antipathy]

Isn't gas far more expensive elsewhere anyways?It certainly is, we look on Americans whinging about the prospect of fuel being $3/Gal. with some amusement over here where our fuel is set to cost £1/Litre. Which, at the current exchange rate, will put our fuel costs at about $8/Gal. :shock:

[Fei Hu]

Looks like a lot of folks will be doing less driving. Maybe it will help with the obesity problem that is killing as many people as auto accidents.

[My_Nation]

Nuclear power makes electricity that will split the hydrogen from the oxygen and produce a good fuel source for cars....

but, with that comes lower profits to one sector and raises profits for other sectors. The reason, in my opinion is that it has not been done yet is that the oil lobby has more pull than the nuclear lobby and hydrogen lobby.

why else would it take GM, Ford, and Chrysler 5 to 10 year put an engine out on the market that can burn hydrogen when the engine is already designed and built. ---- I smell a conspiracy :banghead:

You will spend $5 on bottled water (buying it in 20oz bottles) but complain about gas prices. hummm..... Very interesting.

[Churlant]

Nuclear power makes electricity that will split the hydrogen from the oxygen and produce a good fuel source for cars....

but, with that comes lower profits to one sector and raises profits for other sectors. The reason, in my opinion is that it has not been done yet is that the oil lobby has more pull than the nuclear lobby and hydrogen lobby.

why else would it take GM, Ford, and Chrysler 5 to 10 year put an engine out on the market that can burn hydrogen when the engine is already designed and built. ---- I smell a conspiracy :banghead:

You will spend $5 on bottled water (buying it in 20oz bottles) but complain about gas prices. hummm..... Very interesting.

:lol:

Uhh... and exactly which brand of nuclear reactor is designed to fit in my car? :lol:

By the way, I'm not sure who you're referring to, but I HIGHLY doubt anyone around HERE pays $5 for a bottle of water... I could be wrong, but I just have this feeling...

-JC

[ZXL]

It certainly is, we look on Americans whinging about the prospect of fuel being $3/Gal. with some amusement over here where our fuel is set to cost £1/Litre. Which, at the current exchange rate, will put our fuel costs at about $8/Gal. :shock:

1£/Litre?? Wow it's even more expensive than here, I'm paying €1.31/Litre for Super 95 and I found that expensive.

[Oliphaunt]

It certainly is, we look on Americans whinging about the prospect of fuel being $3/Gal. with some amusement over here where our fuel is set to cost £1/Litre. Which, at the current exchange rate, will put our fuel costs at about $8/Gal. :shock:

Well at the same time im sure the average american crosses greater distances than the average briton.. it takes me an hour to get to work :(

Charge more though i say. Force us to drive small environmentally friendly cars.

[My_Nation]

Nuclear power makes electricity that will split the hydrogen from the oxygen and produce a good fuel source for cars....

but, with that comes lower profits to one sector and raises profits for other sectors. The reason, in my opinion is that it has not been done yet is that the oil lobby has more pull than the nuclear lobby and hydrogen lobby.

why else would it take GM, Ford, and Chrysler 5 to 10 year put an engine out on the market that can burn hydrogen when the engine is already designed and built. ---- I smell a conspiracy :banghead:

You will spend $5 on bottled water (buying it in 20oz bottles) but complain about gas prices. hummm..... Very interesting.

No Nuclear reactor is going to fit in your car my friend... here let me spell this out for you...
a nuclear power plant creates (relatively) clean electricity at a lower cost than using oil or natural gas, and cleaner (much cleaner) than using coal...

the power plant sends that power to a facility that makes hydrogen by splitting the 2 parts of hydrogen from the 1 part of oxygen which makes up water (h2o) and then it compresses that hydrogen and turns that into a liquid.

that facility sends the hydrogen to a gas station of sorts where you put it in your car....

You will spend $5 on bottled water (buying it in 20oz bottles) but complain about gas prices. hummm..... Very interesting.

I see where the confusion comes in with the above quote it should have read:
You will spend $5 a gallon on bottled water (buying it in 20oz bottles) but complain about gas prices. hummm..... Very interesting.
(sorry for typo)


That there should clear up that confusion on both comments.

[JustinH]

I see where the confusion comes in with the above quote it should have read:
You will spend $5 a gallon on bottled water (buying it in 20oz bottles) but complain about gas prices. hummm..... Very interesting.
(sorry for typo)

Bought a Britta Water Filter, costs me a couple of bucks a month for all I can drink. YOU may spend that much on water, but I certainly don't :).

[soundcrd]

No Nuclear reactor is going to fit in your car my friend... here let me spell this out for you...
a nuclear power plant creates (relatively) clean electricity at a lower cost than using oil or natural gas, and cleaner (much cleaner) than using coal...

the power plant sends that power to a facility that makes hydrogen by splitting the 2 parts of hydrogen from the 1 part of oxygen which makes up water (h2o) and then it compresses that hydrogen and turns that into a liquid.

There are some nuclear reactors in the testing stages that can split water on the spot just by the enormous heat they produce.

I have a problem with the thought of compressed hydrogen in my car, tho. I work with high-pressure CO2 all day, and we take all sorts of safety precautions with it. The cells we work with have walls that are over an inch thick of stainless steel. The windows are made of sapphire. They considered going with diamonds, but that was a little on the expensive side. Also, it takes a lot more pressure and/or a lot colder to get hydrogen to become a liquid. If you rely on keeping it cold, you have a problem if you don't drive your car for a while. I read somewhere that you would have to drive your car at least every 2 days in order to keep the hydrogen cool and prevent expansion. I'd rather be able to go on vaction without having to worry about my car exploding, thanks.

[jamesrage]

It cracks me up everytime the raise gas prices.They always seem to have one reason or another for doing so.Personally I think it is a load of bull****.They raise gas prices by twenty or thirty cents and after three or four weeks of less gas consumption they drop the price down by five or tens cents and then every one goes back to buying the regular amount of gas as though they were somehow getting a deal even though in reality they are paying 10-15 cents more per gallon.

last year I think one of the excuses the gas company gave us was that they were feformulating the gas so that it would be less pollutant.Now they tell us it is because a embassy closed down, a new leader in another country took power and that somehow magically over night China started using more gas.I have a feeling that someone is writing excuses for the gas and oil companies to use in order to raise gas prices.

[johnk]

It cracks me up everytime the raise gas prices.They always seem to have one reason or another for doing so.Personally I think it is a load of bull****.They raise gas prices by twenty or thirty cents and after three or four weeks of less gas consumption they drop the price down by five or tens cents and then every one goes back to buying the regular amount of gas as though they were somehow getting a deal even though in reality they are paying 10-15 cents more per gallon.

last year I think one of the excuses the gas company gave us was that they were feformulating the gas so that it would be less pollutant.Now they tell us it is because a embassy closed down, a new leader in another country took power and that somehow magically over night China started using more gas.I have a feeling that someone is writing excuses for the gas and oil companies to use in order to raise gas prices.
I like how the rumor of higher oil prices will drive the gas prices up immediately. When the oil price actually goes up some, the gas prices go up some more. But when oil prices actually fall, they say that gas prices will probably fall in a few weeks as the lower costs work their way through the system.

:shinyobject: Get a free carwash with your purchase of 8 or more gallons.

[soundcrd]

It cracks me up everytime the raise gas prices.They always seem to have one reason or another for doing so.Personally I think it is a load of bull****.They raise gas prices by twenty or thirty cents and after three or four weeks of less gas consumption they drop the price down by five or tens cents and then every one goes back to buying the regular amount of gas as though they were somehow getting a deal even though in reality they are paying 10-15 cents more per gallon.

last year I think one of the excuses the gas company gave us was that they were feformulating the gas so that it would be less pollutant.Now they tell us it is because a embassy closed down, a new leader in another country took power and that somehow magically over night China started using more gas.I have a feeling that someone is writing excuses for the gas and oil companies to use in order to raise gas prices.

I remember in California when they raised the price of gas because of what it was going to cost to remove MTBE... an additive. :banghead: How do you remove something that's not there in the first place? :banghead:

[jamesrage]

I remember in California when they raised the price of gas because of what it was going to cost to remove MTBE... an additive. How do you remove something that's not there in the first place?


I think the reason why the government does not investigate the oil and gas companies is because the oil and gas companies have the countries by their balls.

[USA-1]

I think the reason why the government does not investigate the oil and gas companies is because the oil and gas companies have the countries by their balls.
Of course they do and the voters even put OIL MEN in charge of the entire country. What a bunch of morons we are.

I predicted record gas prices and record oil company profits in George's second term and we haven't seen anything yet. Prices will only go higher. Bend over everyone.

[Soren]

<Remembers paying 93 cents a gallon seven years ago>:(

[USA-1]

I believe gas prices will rise to $3.50 / gal for several months. Then George will make some policy change, prices will drop to 3 bucks and the public will be thrilled.

[jamesrage]

I believe gas prices will rise to $3.50 / gal for several months. Then George will make some policy change, prices will drop to 3 bucks and the public will be thrilled.

And that is how the game goes on.

[propatriamori]

eh, whatever. i hope that gas goes up to 5 bucks a gallon. then those jerks driving gas-guzzling SUVs and pickups and fouling up our environment and using up all our natural resources will really start to feel the pinch. then maybe we'll have some energy-efficient car options on the table.

[My_Nation]

eh, whatever. i hope that gas goes up to 5 bucks a gallon. then those jerks driving gas-guzzling SUVs and pickups and fouling up our environment and using up all our natural resources will really start to feel the pinch. then maybe we'll have some energy-efficient car options on the table.

Look around.... You have a lot of energy-efficient cars out there... That statement is rather short sighted...

In addition if gas goes to $5.00 a gal you are talking about a substantial drain on the economy and a most assured recession (if not depression). Then the pain on everyone begins --- even those that drive energy efficient cars.

It will take at least 3 to 5 years to produce enough cars to make a difference in the gas prices and the ones that get hurt the worst are the poor who purchase older cars because of cost and those use more gas.... So just to make you Green Peace-rs happy we can let gas prices go hop like that and let all the poor and middle class people starve because they are trying to pay for gas to get back and forth to work. We will let them drop whatever insurance they have to pay for the gas. We will let them drain what little savings they have so that they can not buy a newer more efficient car.

GREEN PEACERS need to think outside of their own little scary world just a little.

[propatriamori]

ahahah yea... all those poor people in europe sure are starving right? wrong. and there are a lot of energy efficient options on the table right? then how come the only hybrid cars offered currently are produced by toyota? there are no american options out there, at all, to the best of my knowledge.

[My_Nation]

ahahah yea... all those poor people in europe sure are starving right? wrong. and there are a lot of energy efficient options on the table right? then how come the only hybrid cars offered currently are produced by toyota? there are no american options out there, at all, to the best of my knowledge.

one -- yes the poor in europ are suffering at the hands of gas (energy) prices but that is not the falt of the oil prices that is fault of excessive tax on fuel in europe....

two-- has for hybrid,


Cars

Compacts & Sedans



The 2004 Toyota Prius, considered a midsize sedan, is the number-one selling hybrid car.



Chevrolet Malibu Expected 2007

Honda Accord Available Now

Honda Civic Available Now

Honda Insight Available Now

Nissan Altima Expected 2007

Toyota Camry Expected 2007

Toyota Prius Available Now

Lexus GS Expected 2006

SUVs & Minivans
Chevrolet Tahoe Expected 2007

The 2005 Ford Escape was the first hybrid SUV to hit American roads.


Dodge Durango Expected 2007

Ford Escape SUV Available Now

GMC Yukon Expected 2007

Lexus RX 400h SUV Available Now

Toyota Highlander SUV Available Now

Mercury Mariner SUV Available Now

Porsche Cayenne Expected 2008

Saturn VUE Expected 2005

Toyota Sienna Minivan Expected 2007

Trucks

Hybrid pick-up trucks offer a 10-15% improvement in fuel economy.

Dodge Ram Expected 2005


read this list over and then discuss somthing you know something about.

[jamesrage]

eh, whatever. i hope that gas goes up to 5 bucks a gallon. then those jerks driving gas-guzzling SUVs and pickups and fouling up our environment and using up all our natural resources will really start to feel the pinch. then maybe we'll have some energy-efficient car options on the table.

So your idea is **** everyone else just to get at the SUV and truck drivers?

[lord tammerlain]

This is in my opinion the future of automobile

http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2005/08/18/140615.html

ACTA has developed a technology to disperse ultra-fine metal catalyst grain (0.3-0.7nm in diameter), which achieves about the same galvanizing effect as conventional direct methanol cell catalysts by reducing use of platinum and ruthenium to 0.2mg/cm2, the smallest amount ever achieved.

The Italian company has also developed the world's first ethanol-based fuel cell catalyst that has used inexpensive cobalt, nickel and iron catalysts.

Having the same components and being as freely transportable as alcohol, ethanol may be used for a fuel cell that will be used onboard. Direct ethanol cells will also be able to reduce greenhouse gas emissions since carbon dioxide, a byproduct of power generation using the direct ethanol cell, can be used as a bio ethanol material.



Ethanol is by far a better energy storage material then hydrogen, and can use most of the current infrustructure that is used for gasoline.

[propatriamori]

one -- yes the poor in europ are suffering at the hands of gas (energy) prices but that is not the falt of the oil prices that is fault of excessive tax on fuel in europe....

two-- has for hybrid,




read this list over and then discuss somthing you know something about.

ok, i was wrong in that, when i said there are no american hybrids out theire now, i meant there were not american non-SUV hybrids out there. but seriously, even countin hybrid SUVs into the picture, 4 real energy-efficient options is nothing to brag about. (i'm looking at those out there now, not expected. and i emphasize "american" because i only buy american. which i'll probably be lambasted for as well)

[USA-1]

This is in my opinion the future of automobile

http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2005/08/18/140615.html



Ethanol is by far a better energy storage material then hydrogen, and can use most of the current infrustructure that is used for gasoline.
Ethanol is a scam on the American taxpayer. It takes 1.29 gallons of fossil fuels to make one gallon of ethanol. The farmers and ethanol plants love the government subsidies but the taxpayer is getting screwed. Do some research and you will find the truth about ethanol.

[My_Nation]

Ethanol is a scam on the American taxpayer. It takes 1.29 gallons of fossil fuels to make one gallon of ethanol. The farmers and ethanol plants love the government subsidies but the taxpayer is getting screwed. Do some research and you will find the truth about ethanol.

The same is true for hydrogen... but if you were to use something like nuclear to produce it you would not be burning fossil fuel to create it and then that argument would be mute. In fact Ethanol can be produced with solar as well if you using "molten salt steam generator"...(this is currently available and being used to produce electricity) therefore it really is not a shame on the people.

The major prob with Ethanol is that the amount of corn that is needed to make ethanol would require the more then 75% of the produced corn in the united states if we were to blend our gas with 85% ethanol (which is the standard they are shooting for) then we would be beholden to other nations to send us corn instead of oil. Like oil as the demand for it increases corn prices will increase as its demand goes up, but this will cause a direct and massive impact on food prices.

One more thought....
Hybrids are more damaging to the environment than the current cars... the difference is that one (the current cars) are polluting now... the hybrids pollute later. See the problem is the batteries and electric motors. A regular car battery holds about 1 gal of solution (hydrochloric acid and water) while the hybrid this amount is upwards of 8 to 12 gals of solution. And what worse is the the life span of these batteries are not much different from a regular car batteries. the bottom line is Pollute now or Pollute later.....


Note:
you can produce your own ethanol real easily in a little home made still... You can produce about 20 gals a week with little effort once you learn how. once you make it go to the gas station fill up 4 5-gal gas cans with gas and have 4 empty ones at home... mix the gas 50/50 with the ethanol and this is a total of 40 gal of fuel that you now have. newer cars can use it with no problem because all the fuel lines are metal. Older cars with rubber lines will have a bit of a problem as time goes on. The fuel that you use to make the ethanol (if you live some where you can burn out side) can be waist oil from restaurants and wood.... The oil prevent the wood from burning too quickly if you soak it in the oil and will make it burn hotter. The still will cost you about $150.00 to build.

[USA-1]

The same is true for hydrogen... but if you were to use something like nuclear to produce it you would not be burning fossil fuel to create it and then that argument would be mute.
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Mute except for the fact that you better start building nuclear power plants by the hundreds. The electrical grid in this country is just about maxed out at the moment.
All we are doing is burning food when we make ethanol from corn to use in our cars.

http://www.mindfully.org/Air/2003/Ethanol-Largest-Scam6jun03.htm

[Churlant]

Mute except for the fact that you better start building nuclear power plants by the hundreds. The electrical grid in this country is just about maxed out at the moment.
All we are doing is burning food when we make ethanol from corn to use in our cars.

http://www.mindfully.org/Air/2003/Ethanol-Largest-Scam6jun03.htm

I keep trying to figure out where MN is getting this 'nuclear car' concept. :shrug:

I still hope gas hits $5/gallon by next year. Go Go Gadget Hybrid!

-JC

[USA-1]

I keep trying to figure out where MN is getting this 'nuclear car' concept. :shrug:

I still hope gas hits $5/gallon by next year. Go Go Gadget Hybrid!

-JC
It will definately be a wake up call if gas hits 5 bucks. I don't think the economy will survive. Plants will shut down, food prices will skyrocket, the trucking industry and airlines will come to a halt.
It's the end of the world as we know it..... It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine..

[Churlant]

It will definately be a wake up call if gas hits 5 bucks. I don't think the economy will survive. Plants will shut down, food prices will skyrocket, the trucking industry and airlines will come to a halt.
It's the end of the world as we know it..... It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine..

:shrug:

The best motivation for adaptation and advancement of evolution - both biological and technical - is survival of the species. Sooner or later we need to end our reliance on oil. It should have been sooner - WOULD have been by maybe a decade or more if it weren't for the tremendous profit incentives for resistance to this change.

If the economy has to crash for this to happen, so be it. We will survive.

-JC

[USA-1]

:shrug:



If the economy has to crash for this to happen, so be it. We will survive.

-JC
Maybe, maybe not.

[Churlant]

Maybe, maybe not.

Being a bit dramatic :p Life as we know it may change, but we WOULD survive. Sheesh.

-JC

[USA-1]

Being a bit dramatic :p Life as we know it may change, but we WOULD survive. Sheesh.

-JC
LOL
It could lead to wars over energy and the Apocalypse. Some folks would not survive. They would freeze in the winter or starve to death.

[Churlant]

LOL
It could lead to wars over energy and the Apocalypse. Some folks would not survive. They would freeze in the winter or starve to death.

Well yes... by "we" I mean the human race, not you and I personally.

-JC

[USA-1]

Well yes... by "we" I mean the human race, not you and I personally.

-JC
Ok. I feel better now.

[My_Nation]

I keep trying to figure out where MN is getting this 'nuclear car' concept. :shrug:

I still hope gas hits $5/gallon by next year. Go Go Gadget Hybrid!

-JC

I never once said anything about a "nuclear car" this is twice now in this thread that you have tried to imply that i am talking about nuclear cars please read a little more closely and get out a dictionary to help you with words that you have a problem with instead of skipping over them.

Mute except for the fact that you better start building nuclear power plants by the hundreds. The electrical grid in this country is just about maxed out at the moment.
All we are doing is burning food when we make ethanol from corn to use in our cars.

I do think we need nuclear power plants and lots of them, but there are other non depleting methods of producing electricity that we can use to for conversion purposes.

as for the "burning food" issue --- I said once and i will say it again here

The major prob with Ethanol is that the amount of corn that is needed to make ethanol would require the more then 75% of the produced corn in the united states if we were to blend our gas with 85% ethanol (which is the standard they are shooting for) then we would be beholden to other nations to send us corn instead of oil. Like oil as the demand for it increases corn prices will increase as its demand goes up, but this will cause a direct and massive impact on food prices.

[Churlant]

I never once said anything about a "nuclear car" this is twice now in this thread that you have tried to imply that i am talking about nuclear cars please read a little more closely and get out a dictionary to help you with words that you have a problem with instead of skipping over them.



Oooh.. ouch... I'm impressed.



Nuclear power makes electricity that will split the hydrogen from the oxygen and produce a good fuel source for cars....


Yeah, you were talking about hydrogen cars, within the context of nuclear production. Perhaps my extrapolation of 'nuclear cars' is a bit too far. Still, the point remains that we have few nuclear sites, fewer still that may be built (maybe), and they are not designed for car fuel production.

I just don't see it as a likely candidate for future infrastructure.

-JC

[USA-1]

For those that actually believe that Nuclear Energy will solve all our problems here are some interesting tidbits:

http://www.neis.org/literature/Brochures/npfacts.htm

[Churlant]

For those that actually believe that Nuclear Energy will solve all our problems here are some interesting tidbits:

http://www.neis.org/literature/Brochures/npfacts.htm

Fusion might work, if they can get off their butts and develop it out :p

-JC

[My_Nation]

don't like the high fuel prices... here is a solar powered ethanol still that actually does work and can be modified to make 200 proof ethanol... mix this 60% ethanol and 40% gas in your car and it should run fine with little if any modification.

http://www.motherearthnews.com
search for "Mother Is Making Fuel"...

VERY EASY