New York City Violates Separation of Church/Synagogue and State

[DRMIZER]

The Deist Thomas Jefferson was the one who coined the phrase "a wall of separation between church and state". Mayor Bloomberg has smashed through the Jeffersonian wall out of political fear.

In a case that involves a rabbi transmitting herpes to an infant by orally sucking the blood from the baby's circumcised penis and in which case the baby died from the infection, the Mayor of New York City was faced with doing what's right and outlawing this insane and disgusting and unnatural and dangerous practice or caving in to the revealed religion of Judaism. He choose to do what is wrong and allow the decision to be made by a Jewish religious court!!! The Mayor is not only condoning and promoting this ancient barbaric superstition, he is also setting a precedent of destroying the American way of life! If a Jewish religious court can decide what laws stand on this matter, why can't they do it in other matters? Over seven years ago I wrote an article for the hard copy of THINK! predicting that if the religious right was not stopped we'd eventually have ecclesiastic courts added to our judicial system, as it was prior to the American Revolution. Bloomberg has taken that first deadly step and the media doesn't cover it. America cannot function as intended without a totally free press and media. I guess that's a key reason the America envisioned by Jefferson and the other founders has died a gradual and creeping but final death.

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2005/9/prweb291936.htm

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Wouldn't he have smshed through that same wall by outlawing the practice? That much more clearly violates the First Amendment: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."

[Bad Penny]

Whoa. Wait a minute. Are you telling me that Rabbi's practice circumcising baby boys and then suck the blood out of their little wee-wee's? That is utterly disqusting not to mention downright perverted.

This can't be so.

[DRMIZER]

Wouldn't he have smshed through that same wall by outlawing the practice? That much more clearly violates the First Amendment: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."I'm quite sure that "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"....... does not include child mutilation.

We have the right to exercise freedom of speech except when yelling fire in a theater or terrorist on a plane when either is not applicable.

[DRMIZER]

Whoa. Wait a minute. Are you telling me that Rabbi's practice circumcising baby boys and then suck the blood out of their little wee-wee's? That is utterly disqusting not to mention downright perverted.

This can't be so.Dates back centuries!

[towski]

Whoa. Wait a minute. Are you telling me that Rabbi's practice circumcising baby boys and then suck the blood out of their little wee-wee's? That is utterly disqusting not to mention downright perverted.

This can't be so.

To me, only slightly more disgusting than what catholic priests do.

After giving all of us communion out of the common cups (at my church, about 500-600 people per mass), the leftover is poured back into the priest's grail. He then drinks it. Backwash and all. Ewwwww.

But, can't pour the blood of christ down the drain. Gross. I've always wondered why he doesn't get sick more.

[Bad Penny]

I have never heard of this before. And we get on the Catholic's case? Why isn't the media all over this? Oh. wait. Nevermind. :rolleyes:

[up2date]

Whoa. Wait a minute. Are you telling me that Rabbi's practice circumcising baby boys and then suck the blood out of their little wee-wee's? That is utterly disqusting not to mention downright perverted.

This can't be so.
It is not so. I have been to several bris ceremonies, and the Rabbis did nothing of the sort. After performing the circumcision, they applied some sort of ointment (antibiotic, I presume) and then placed a bandage over the wound. That was it.

[towski]

It is not so. I have been to several bris ceremonies, and the Rabbis did nothing of the sort. After performing the circumcision, they applied some sort of ointment (antibiotic, I presume) and then placed a bandage over the wound. That was it.

Is this an Orthodox deal?

[Bad Penny]

It is not so. I have been to several bris ceremonies, and the Rabbis did nothing of the sort. After performing the circumcision, they applied some sort of ointment (antibiotic, I presume) and then placed a bandage over the wound. That was it.

Thank you. I knew this was too barbaric to be true. That is absolutely absurd. I could see it happening if it was some voo-doo religion in some remote African village. But in a New York Synogogue? No way.

[eugene40]

Thank you. I knew this was too barbaric to be true. That is absolutely absurd. I could see it happening if it was some voo-doo religion in some remote African village. But in a New York Synogogue? No way.

I believe it is only strict and ultra orthodox jews that do this. But i have heard of it being done.

[Bad Penny]

Generally speaking, I have always held the jewish people in high regard in as far as their intelligence and civility are concerned. This does not fit the mold. Does anyone a have link to validate that this practice actually occurs? Orthodox or not, any thinking person HAS to realize how pervertly sick this practice would be. How ANYONE could relate it to "God" through a religion is just stomach turning.

If this practice does, in fact, take place, I will have to reconsider my regards for the people that practice it. I would put them right up there with the snake handlers and satanic worshippers. Looney tunes.

[towski]

Generally speaking, I have always held the jewish people in high regard in as far as their intelligence and civility are concerned. This does not fit the mold. Does anyone a have link to validate that this practice actually occurs? Orthodox or not, any thinking person HAS to realize how pervertly sick this practice would be. How ANYONE could relate it to "God" through a religion is just stomach turning.

If this practice does, in fact, take place, I will have to reconsider my regards for the people that practice it. I would put them right up there with the snake handlers and satanic worshippers. Looney tunes.

http://www.thejewishweek.com/news/newscontent.php3?artid=10499&print=yes

It's called metzizah b'peh

[Redratio1]

Gross...isn't underage wee-wee sucking against the law or something?
Oh yeah and that common communion thing is gross too.

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Is this an Orthodox deal?
I can't say for sure as I have never been to an Orthodox bris, but I have never heard of or witnessed this practice. At the very least I can say it is not a mainstream Jewish practice.

[Bad Penny]

http://www.thejewishweek.com/news/newscontent.php3?artid=10499&print=yes

It's called metzizah b'peh

Thanks for the link Beaker.

One of the last steps in a brit milah involves suctioning blood from where the foreskin has been removed. Historically, this was done orally, with the mohel directly putting his mouth on the newly circumcised penis and sucking in the blood, a procedure called metzizah b’peh.

One has to wonder who came up with such a perverted practice? There should be no place in any religion for sucking the penis' of little boys. I wonder what it is that draws someone to even want to be the one who performs this act? How come fallatio on young boys attracts so many into the clergy?

a procedure called metzizah b’peh.

BS...that's a procedure called sucking ****.

Geewillikers....sorry folks. I think I need to go hurl.

[towski]

Generally speaking, I have always held the jewish people in high regard in as far as their intelligence and civility are concerned. This does not fit the mold. Does anyone a have link to validate that this practice actually occurs? Orthodox or not, any thinking person HAS to realize how pervertly sick this practice would be. How ANYONE could relate it to "God" through a religion is just stomach turning.

If this practice does, in fact, take place, I will have to reconsider my regards for the people that practice it. I would put them right up there with the snake handlers and satanic worshippers. Looney tunes.

Every religious group has their lunatic fringe.

[DRMIZER]

I can't say for sure as I have never been to an Orthodox bris, but I have never heard of or witnessed this practice. At the very least I can say it is not a mainstream Jewish practice.Let's hope not!!

[Redratio1]

Make you want to wear a condomn every time before a Rabbi puts his lips on your penis, doesn't it?

[Seth928]

Wouldn't he have smshed through that same wall by outlawing the practice? That much more clearly violates the First Amendment: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."

It only applies to freedom of thought and word not freedom of practice. There is a big difference.

[Bad Penny]

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."

If that's the case, how can they make a law outlawing gay marriage or outlawing peyote.

If a "bonafide" church decided to allow gays to marry or let it's congregation drink hallucinigenic tea, how can the government legally stop it?

Imagine that. A church/synagogue that allows it's clergy to go down on little boys yet outlaws homosexuality. What a wierd world we live in. :rolleyes:

One of these days, I'm cashin' in my chips and moving to Jamaica mon'. No problems mon'. This place is really starting to suck (no pun intended.)