Is there such a thing as Pure Love?

[Kong]

Is there such a thing as Pure Love?
If so, how does God want us to express it (assuming he does)?

[::Major_Baker::]

I think I am on the verge of it right now, and it has nothing to do with God.

[Senor Herberto]

Life is love. If you live and do not love you are breaking yourself apart.

Every action made can be loving to everyone involved, or it can be imperfect. How do you express pure love? Recgonize God's ownership of you by His creation of you, appreciate and thank God for what He has given to you, your body and life, and the physical world you live in, and act and feel in ways that radiate love and goodness.

It's easy if you try.

[Void Image]

Life is love.

Tell that to a child born with a horrible terminal illness, a homeless mother, or the millions upon millions of poor, starving, downtrodden citizens of third world nations who work for pennies a day and live in homes made out dirt and straw.

If there is a 'pure love', then is there also a pure hate? What about pure sadness? Or pure anger? Pure fear? Love, like all other human emotions, is just that, an emotion. A product of neurotransmitters in the brain, that is not only apparantly confined to humans, but other animals as well. To pick out one single emotion over other base emotions or the countless subtle distinctions (discontent, slightly irritated) and make it out to be some sort of all powerful, universal force provided to us by God just doesn't seem logical. I'm not saying love is insignificant, out of all the human emotions it's probably the one that affects us the most. I just hate the concept of pure love.

[Kong]

Life is love. ... and act and feel in ways that radiate love and goodness.

It's easy if you try.Its not so simple. Love and goodness have no absolute values. What is love and goodness for may not be for someone else. How can you assume to know God’s will while around us so many people are fighting and killing for the love and goodness of God?

Even nature demonstrates that this is a cruel and merciless world. Perhaps you are sheltered from life’s realities in your warm comfortable environment?

[nogoodname90]

Pure love is were u would do anything for a person and u feel perfect with whole a full person and it has nothin to do with god only your pasion for that person

[sub_zer0]

God IS love...

And the Lord make you to increase and abound in love one toward another, and toward all men, even as we do toward you: -- Thessalonians 3:12

There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear. -- John 4:18

Let brotherly love continue. -- Hebrews 13:1

Hatred stirreth up strifes: but love covereth all sins. -- Proverbs 10:12

And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. --John 3:23

These things I command you, that ye love one another. -- John 15:17

For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself -- Galatians 5:14

He that loveth not, knoweth not God; for God is love. -- John 4:8

My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth. -- I John 3:18

1 Corinthians 13 - Love

Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.

And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.

Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,

doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;

rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;

beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.

Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.

For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.

But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

For now we see through a glass, darkly, but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.

[alfred]

I think I am on the verge of it right now, and it has nothing to do with God.

Scarily, this is the only posting on this thread I understood.

[Simba]

Is there such a thing as Pure Love?
If so, how does God want us to express it (assuming he does)?

Yes. I knew it when first meeting my wife, and felt it again each time I was allowed into the birthing room to help deliver each of my five daughters.

[Veritas]

Define love and then I will answer the question.

[Simba]

Define love and then I will answer the question.

It is not something you can define. It is what it is once you feel it. That is why it is love, and pure love at that.

[Kong]

Yes. I knew it when first meeting my wife, and felt it again each time I was allowed into the birthing room to help deliver each of my five daughters.I was thinking about "pure love" from a larger point of view, a God’s eye view perhaps. It is well know that even evil people love their friends and family. Senor Herberto seems to indicate that "pure love" is a higher form of love but I believe it is an ideal born of fantasy.

Can love all things and kill the animals I love to eat, kill for protection and kill for more of the things I love? If "pure love" for all things was felt and practiced by all then life as we know it could not exist. Life feeds off life. We must kill and let die to live. If humans stopped killing we would become extinct.

[Kong]

God IS love...So what's your point? Is God not everything? Are we not made in God's image? Is God jealous and does he get angry. Is God not to be feared? Do you love fear? Is fear love? Is the old testament part of Gods truth?

Please do not consider the above a disrespect. I appreciate your participation in this discussion but just posting a bunch of bible quotes is a little strange. Bible quotes can be used to justify anything and any position.

[sub_zer0]

Is God not everything? Are we not made in God's image? Is God jealous and does he get angry. Is God not to be feared? Do you love fear? Is fear love? Is the old testament part of Gods truth?

1 Corinthians 13:4 "Love is patient, love is kind, and is not jealous; love does not brag and is not arrogant, 5 does not act unbecomingly; it does not seek its own, is not provoked, does not take into account a wrong suffered, 6 does not rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth; 7 bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things."

[JoeR]

Where does judging and casting people into eternal suffering come into that definition?

[Kong]

1 Corinthians 13:4 "Love is patient, love is kind, and is not jealous; love does not brag and is not arrogant, 5 does not act unbecomingly; it does not seek its own, is not provoked, does not take into account a wrong suffered, 6 does not rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth; 7 bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things."God is Love?
Romans 12:19
Do not take revenge, my friends, but leave room for God's wrath, for it is written: "It is mine to avenge; I will repay," says the Lord.

[sub_zer0]

God is Love?
Romans 12:19
Do not take revenge, my friends, but leave room for God's wrath, for it is written: "It is mine to avenge; I will repay," says the Lord.

That being said from the Lord could ver well be Him talking about judgement which will be done to all!

[Kong]

That being said from the Lord could ver well be Him talking about judgement which will be done to all!Please explain. What does this have to do with "pure love." Let me venture a guess: God is love but on the Day of Judgement the sinners will be cast down into hell fire for eternity? I love that contradiction! Luckily I’m too cool to burn. :cool:

[sub_zer0]

Please explain. What does this have to do with "pure love." Let me venture a guess: God is love but on the Day of Judgement the sinners will be cast down into hell fire for eternity? I love that contradiction! Luckily I’m too cool to burn. :cool:

So am I to assume that you are assuming that the Lord is saying in Romans 12:19, "no friends don't worry about it, for it is written, the Lord will avenge them, not you"? I hope so.

Because if that is the case you are wrong the Lord doesn't become unloving because He is judging the un-believers, which is what He is really saying. Nor does it make a contradiction. Since He judges all (believers/un-believers), that judgement will avenge the believers as the un-believers will be judged just as He promised.

Hey you have all the chance in the world to accept Him, you won't EVER go to Hell. But you won't or can't or whatever the reason maybe.

I mean it seems really simple to me. Mankind is to do one of two things while on earth. One, accept your creator as God and live His way. Or two, don't accept God as your creator and live your way. Your way obviously becomes sinful as it is rebellion of God, which is sin. So, if you don't accept Him and live by His ways your going to Hell to live without Him. I mean isn't that what you chose to do so during your life on earth? All He is doing is giving you what you wanted, accept this time it is eternity without Him. If you do choose to accept Him and try to live by His ways, and ask for forgiveness when led astray, you are going to Heaven.

We think our way, on earth is correct as we have been blinded by sin, or Satan as the Bible clearly tells us that he is the prince of this world (John 12:31). Satans owns this world. The worldy ways are wrong as it is from Satan, which is manifested by sin. What are some worldy sins? Well for one, evolution, that is why I have such a problem with it I guess you could say. Evolution, with or without the creators of it knowing, have done something that directly refutes God, blatently. God clearly tells us how the world was created and came to be. That is why we are to turn from those things and live God's way, not the worlds way.

Romans 12:2: "And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God."

[Kong]

So am I to assume that you are assuming that the Lord is saying in Romans 12:19, "no friends don't worry about it, for it is written, the Lord will avenge them, not you"? I hope so.
I'm not assuming, it is written. "It is mine to avenge; I will repay," says the Lord.

I mean it seems really simple to me. Mankind is to do one of two things while on earth. One, accept your creator as God and live His way. Or two, don't accept God as your creator and live your way. What's your definition of a believer?

Hey you have all the chance in the world to accept Him, you won't EVER go to Hell. But you won't or can't or whatever the reason maybe.I already told you, I’m too cool to burn. I believe in God. How ‘bout you, ready for the big cookout?

[::Major_Baker::]

sub zero, why are you even arguing religion on this forum?. It seems as if you have no questions left for it; you have decided to devote your life to being religious and believing the stories, so why do you post so much on it?

You have been taught it in depth since you were a child, I am guessing, so you have no room left for denial or questioning the facts that you were raised around.

So why the relgious posts? You never finished your other bible contradictions thread, was it because you got trounced or did you just get sick of it?

[Void Image]

I mean it seems really simple to me. Mankind is to do one of two things while on earth. One, accept your creator as God and live His way. Or two, don't accept God as your creator and live your way. Your way obviously becomes sinful as it is rebellion of God, which is sin. So, if you don't accept Him and live by His ways your going to Hell to live without Him. I mean isn't that what you chose to do so during your life on earth? All He is doing is giving you what you wanted, accept this time it is eternity without Him. If you do choose to accept Him and try to live by His ways, and ask for forgiveness when led astray, you are going to Heaven.

That simple, eh? I can't help but laugh at comments like these. If God truly loved you, and truly wanted to keep us away from sin and join him in heaven (which I am assuming he does, because he loves you so much) then WHY doesn't he make his existance factual? Why doesn't he present himself so there is no debate? God is not giving us a choice at all. You cannot rebel against an entity you can't even know exists. You have two choices in christianity. Obey God, or suffer eternally in a lake of fire. Sounds a lot like love to me. You know there was a man from Austria once that came to power in Europe. He was hailed as a saviour, he was loved by his people, and he told his people he loved them back. He saw the jewish 'race' as evil, even though they were mostly innocent. He also burnt millions of them in huge crematories for their 'crimes'.

All he is doing is giving us what we want??? I'm sure none of us want to go to Hell. The problem is, it's existance can't even be verified, and the whole idea is just a bit silly. Don't give me this BS about 'God works in mysterious ways' or 'God wants us to make the choice for ourselves' because it's just that, BS. If you loved someone you would do what was within your power to lead them in the right direction. If your father, who you've never met before, that lives in another country, who only communicates through brief letters, and who's existance you're really not even sure of, told you to obey him because he loves you so much, and if you don't he'll send you to prison, would you take him seriously?

[DRMIZER]

Is there such a thing as Pure Love?
If so, how does God want us to express it (assuming he does)?As was shown by his messenger, his son. Too bad almost everyone has missed the mark.

[Scaryclouds]

That simple, eh? I can't help but laugh at comments like these. If God truly loved you, and truly wanted to keep us away from sin and join him in heaven (which I am assuming he does, because he loves you so much) then WHY doesn't he make his existance factual? Why doesn't he present himself so there is no debate? God is not giving us a choice at all. You cannot rebel against an entity you can't even know exists. You have two choices in christianity. Obey God, or suffer eternally in a lake of fire. Sounds a lot like love to me. You know there was a man from Austria once that came to power in Europe. He was hailed as a saviour, he was loved by his people, and he told his people he loved them back. He saw the jewish 'race' as evil, even though they were mostly innocent. He also burnt millions of them in huge crematories for their 'crimes'.

All he is doing is giving us what we want??? I'm sure none of us want to go to Hell. The problem is, it's existance can't even be verified, and the whole idea is just a bit silly. Don't give me this BS about 'God works in mysterious ways' or 'God wants us to make the choice for ourselves' because it's just that, BS. If you loved someone you would do what was within your power to lead them in the right direction. If your father, who you've never met before, that lives in another country, who only communicates through brief letters, and who's existance you're really not even sure of, told you to obey him because he loves you so much, and if you don't he'll send you to prison, would you take him seriously?


That's why its called faith.

[sub_zer0]

That simple, eh? I can't help but laugh at comments like these. If God truly loved you, and truly wanted to keep us away from sin and join him in heaven (which I am assuming he does, because he loves you so much) then WHY doesn't he make his existance factual? Why doesn't he present himself so there is no debate? God is not giving us a choice at all.

He did, look around you. He created everything! God could just as easily appear before you and have you compelled to believe in Him from the sure awesomness of His presence. But that would be a bit easy for Him and you, no?

You cannot rebel against an entity you can't even know exists. You have two choices in christianity. Obey God, or suffer eternally in a lake of fire. Sounds a lot like love to me.

Yeah its hard to phathom a God giving you a choice to be with Him or not as that is all that is waiting for us after this life.

All he is doing is giving us what we want??? I'm sure none of us want to go to Hell. The problem is, it's existance can't even be verified, and the whole idea is just a bit silly.

Satan is giving you what you don't want, God gives you what you do want.

If you loved someone you would do what was within your power to lead them in the right direction.

True and He does, but the devil does the same, the choice is up to you. That is how much He does love you.

If your father, who you've never met before, that lives in another country, who only communicates through brief letters, and who's existance you're really not even sure of, told you to obey him because he loves you so much, and if you don't he'll send you to prison, would you take him seriously?

No but I will take something seriously that is the word of God, has prophecies fortold, Jesus Christ has His gospels in, is historically accurate, etc, etc... And not to mention 2.1 billion people believe in it.

[Void Image]

He did, look around you. He created everything! God could just as easily appear before you and have you compelled to believe in Him from the sure awesomness of His presence. But that would be a bit easy for Him and you, no?

Yeah it can't be that easy can it? I mean, what would be the point of Him using His awesome, limitless power to appear before every man in the world and ASK us to love him. It's much easier to throw some laws at some disciples and have them scramble it to hell while at the same time deliberately removing any evidence of his existence.

Yeah its hard to phathom a God giving you a choice to be with Him or not as that is all that is waiting for us after this life.

Except that's not what he's doing. He isn't asking me to 'be with him'. If God sent me a magic email and asked me to crash at his place after I died, I would have no objections. Instead God is telling me I am a worthless, sinful, evil, dirty creature that cannot be in his presence unless I mindlessly obey his every command and accept his sacrifice of himself in order to save me from himself(don't remember who originally posted that, but it's worth a repeat). My alternative is suffering eternally in a lake of fire HE created for those who DO NOT obey him.

Satan is giving you what you don't want, God gives you what you do want.

He is doing so with God's permission. God is the reason Satan exists. God permits Satan to give me what I don't want. It is easily within his power to stop Satan, isn't it? So not only has God set up a nice warm Hell for those who don't love him because he's never shown them love, but he's also got Satan running around trying to pull us over to the 'dark side'. You are honestly telling me this is because God loves me? If God gives me what I want, why does Satan exist?

True and He does, but the devil does the same, the choice is up to you. That is how much He does love you.

No, no THERE IS NO CHOICE. NO CHOICE. There is no 'A' and 'B' presented to you. There is NOTHING presented to you outside of someone else's interpretation of an interpretation of a translation of a book written by a couple of nutjobs.

No but I will take something seriously that is the word of God, has prophecies fortold, Jesus Christ has His gospels in, is historically accurate, etc, etc... And not to mention 2.1 billion people believe in it.

I'll say it again, but you will either dismiss it or just ignore it entirely. You are WRONG. No prophecies, very little historical accuracy, NOTHING to validate this book, because if such a thing existed it would have been confirmed long before you decided to post here. And are you honestly suggesting I should believe the bible because '2.1 billion' (not sure where you got that number, but I guess I'll give you the benefit of the doubt :rolleyes: ) believe it? Do you know many people in China believe dragons are real?? Dragon bones and teeth are sold in mass quantities there for medicinal purposes. Unless these 2.1 billion people can for once in the history of religion present some evidence that can convince me what they are basing their LIVES on is true, then I don't give a **** what they believe.

[sub_zer0]

Yeah it can't be that easy can it? I mean, what would be the point of Him using His awesome, limitless power to appear before every man in the world and ASK us to love him. It's much easier to throw some laws at some disciples and have them scramble it to hell while at the same time deliberately removing any evidence of his existence.

God did, His son, His name was Jesus.

Except that's not what he's doing. He isn't asking me to 'be with him'. If God sent me a magic email and asked me to crash at his place after I died, I would have no objections. Instead God is telling me I am a worthless, sinful, evil, dirty creature that cannot be in his presence unless I mindlessly obey his every command and accept his sacrifice of himself in order to save me from himself(don't remember who originally posted that, but it's worth a repeat). My alternative is suffering eternally in a lake of fire HE created for those who DO NOT obey him.

He is asking you to be with Him. He is not telling you any other such thing, you my friend are the center of the universe according to Him, remember? You are Gods prized creation, you are His main focus if you let Him and let down your gaurd towards Him. He is not saying to mindlessly obey Him as you don't already. Instead He is saying you have a choice to either try with all of your heart and soul to obey Him, or to not try at all. Simple as that.

He is doing so with God's permission. God is the reason Satan exists. God permits Satan to give me what I don't want. It is easily within his power to stop Satan, isn't it? So not only has God set up a nice warm Hell for those who don't love him because he's never shown them love, but he's also got Satan running around trying to pull us over to the 'dark side'. You are honestly telling me this is because God loves me? If God gives me what I want, why does Satan exist?

That darkside my friend is your free will. Satan exists to give you free will. Now God will stop Satan, but it is working on His timeframe for only God knows when that time will come.


No, no THERE IS NO CHOICE. NO CHOICE. There is no 'A' and 'B' presented to you. There is NOTHING presented to you outside of someone else's interpretation of an interpretation of a translation of a book written by a couple of nutjobs.

Wrong.

I'll say it again, but you will either dismiss it or just ignore it entirely. You are WRONG. No prophecies, very little historical accuracy, NOTHING to validate this book, because if such a thing existed it would have been confirmed long before you decided to post here.

Prove me wrong beyond a shadow of a doubt. I challenge you. Until then it is what I said and much more.

And are you honestly suggesting I should believe the bible because '2.1 billion' (not sure where you got that number, but I guess I'll give you the benefit of the doubt :rolleyes: ) believe it? Do you know many people in China believe dragons are real?? Dragon bones and teeth are sold in mass quantities there for medicinal purposes. Unless these 2.1 billion people can for once in the history of religion present some evidence that can convince me what they are basing their LIVES on is true, then I don't give a **** what they believe.

The Bible is evidence! Jesus is evidence! Creation is evidence. Right and wrong, choice is evidence. Existence is evidence. The universe is evidence. 2.1 billion people is evidence.

[Dangerrmouse]

Those 2.1 billion people total one third of the earth's population. It follows that a two thirds majority believe either in nothing, or in something else than your peculiar flavour of God.

A Are they all going to burn in hell? (Which isn't very loving)

B What if you picked the wrong God and you are making Him madder every week? (As Homer Simpson trenchantly put it)

[sub_zer0]

Those 2.1 billion people total one third of the earth's population. It follows that a two thirds majority believe either in nothing, or in something else than your peculiar flavour of God.

A Are they all going to burn in hell? (Which isn't very loving)

No, God has given you all the chance in the world to see Him. Just because you don't accept God yourself does not mean He is not loving.

B What if you picked the wrong God and you are making Him madder every week? (As Homer Simpson trenchantly put it)

I believe through faith in God.

[Void Image]

God did, His son, His name was Jesus.

....No, Jesus is a story from the bible. I personally have never met Jesus face to face. With a human who has the life span of under a hundred years (which has risen considerably in only more recent years) you'd think God could have a chat with man more than once every couple thousand years. In fact, in the bible, he was constantly chatting it up with his creations. Why did he stop?

He is asking you to be with Him. He is not telling you any other such thing, you my friend are the center of the universe according to Him, remember? You are Gods prized creation, you are His main focus if you let Him and let down your gaurd towards Him. He is not saying to mindlessly obey Him as you don't already. Instead He is saying you have a choice to either try with all of your heart and soul to obey Him, or to not try at all. Simple as that.

I'll say it again, he's never asked me anything. I don't have any 'guard' up. If he wants to contact me, he would apparantly know where to find me. So far the only people that are asking me to be with him are other HUMANS with no reason for me to convert to their cult other than if I don't, I'll burn in hell.

That darkside my friend is your free will. Satan exists to give you free will. Now God will stop Satan, but it is working on His timeframe for only God knows when that time will come.

Satan gives me free will? Sorry, but you just don't make sense. It isn't black and white, choice is not always a choice between 'good and bad'. Are you telling me the only way we can have free will is if there's an evil angel trying to convince me to do wrong?


Wrong.

If I'm wrong, prove me wrong. I have never been presented with a choice of any kind.



Prove me wrong beyond a shadow of a doubt. I challenge you. Until then it is what I said and much more.

There is no point in trying to prove anything to you sub_zero. I'd say your entire stay at whistlestopper should have been enough to prove to you the bible is mostly nonsense. You consistently ignore posts bringing up topics you and the bible can't answer, you dismiss evidence you can't refute, then you eventually abandon the thread you started because your argument don't hold water, only to start another one.


The Bible is evidence! Jesus is evidence! Creation is evidence. Right and wrong, choice is evidence. Existence is evidence. The universe is evidence. 2.1 billion people is evidence.

The bible is not evidence because nothing validates the bible other than the bible. Jesus is not evidence because you cannot prove he ever existed. Creation is not evidence because there are plenty of ways for the cosmos to have come into existence other than an intelligent all powerful magic god, simply because we don't understand yet is in no way proof that a God did anything. Existence is evidence that we exist, nothing more. Cogito ergo sum. 2.1 billion believers is not evidence. There are 1.2 billion muslims in this world according to the Council on American-Islamic relations. Their numbers do not make them right.

[sub_zer0]

....No, Jesus is a story from the bible. I personally have never met Jesus face to face. With a human who has the life span of under a hundred years (which has risen considerably in only more recent years) you'd think God could have a chat with man more than once every couple thousand years. In fact, in the bible, he was constantly chatting it up with his creations. Why did he stop?

He hasn't, you did. Pray to Him, He will answer you.

I'll say it again, he's never asked me anything. I don't have any 'guard' up. If he wants to contact me, he would apparantly know where to find me. So far the only people that are asking me to be with him are other HUMANS with no reason for me to convert to their cult other than if I don't, I'll burn in hell.

Like I said there is plenty of evidence, you make the first step. It isn't about if you don't you will burn in Hell. It is if you don't you will not go to Heaven.

Satan gives me free will? Sorry, but you just don't make sense. It isn't black and white, choice is not always a choice between 'good and bad'. Are you telling me the only way we can have free will is if there's an evil angel trying to convince me to do wrong?

Anything that is not Gods will, is wrong, is evil, is bad. It is up to the individual with the Holy Spirit to realize what he is doing is either good or bad for the Lord and your growth in Him.

If I'm wrong, prove me wrong. I have never been presented with a choice of any kind.

Look at the evidence and come to a conclusion...

There is no point in trying to prove anything to you sub_zero. I'd say your entire stay at whistlestopper should have been enough to prove to you the bible is mostly nonsense. You consistently ignore posts bringing up topics you and the bible can't answer, you dismiss evidence you can't refute, then you eventually abandon the thread you started because your argument don't hold water, only to start another one.The bible is not evidence because nothing validates the bible other than the bible. Jesus is not evidence because you cannot prove he ever existed. Creation is not evidence because there are plenty of ways for the cosmos to have come into existence other than an intelligent all powerful magic god, simply because we don't understand yet is in no way proof that a God did anything.

No the Bible can be validated always. Like I said bring me a point that cannot be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt.

We will never understand is the point. Jesus was real, deal with it. Its funny I still believe He died for your sins whether you think so or not.

[Void Image]

No the Bible can be validated always. Like I said bring me a point that cannot be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt.

Like I brought up in another thread you eventually abandoned, no one can make sense of Noah's Ark. The story CANNOT be proven to be true beyond a shadow of a doubt. Only one example of many. I'm done arguing with you.

Its funny I still believe He died for your sins whether you think so or not.

Yeah, it's hilarious

[Dangerrmouse]

4.2 billion non Christians is a lot of people. Many of them will never have heard of your God or Jesus. They never had a choice. Will He fry them too?