Western Christianity - Jesus Christ

[Senor Herberto]

I am filled with compassion for those afflicted. To God’s wrath: please wait forever, until the time You have selected. Please God fill us with love and spare even those who have offended you repeatedly and will offend you again. God please heal them and teach them the goodness of Your love.

Please God, may those who hunger and thirst for Your wrath upon their enemies be quenched with love instead of hate. May their bodies and minds be healed along with those of their enemies. May their minds be righted and their dissatisfactions and earthly concerns be washed away by Your love.

God, You are worthy of praise and worship. You are just and infinitely merciful. Your love is enough! Show us all what a world filled with humans living in Your love is!! God I love You!!


true love is patient. true love keeps no record of wrongs. pray for your enemies rather than hate them. even the pagans love their own. what act of righteousness is that? love even your enemies. they need God's instruction and mercy so much.

Love god with all your heart, mind, and strength, and love your neighbor as yourself.

[Skiptastic]

Amen. (Stupid character limit...)

[Fantom]

Nice , if somewhat naive, thoughts.

Someday the lion may lay down with the lamb, the meek inherate the earth. I suspect by then property values will be nil.

Just rememberTo everything there is a season,
a time for every purpose under the sun.
A time to be born and a time to die;
a time to plant and a time to pluck up that which is planted;
a time to kill and a time to heal ...
a time to weep and a time to laugh;
a time to mourn and a time to dance ...
a time to embrace and a time to refrain from embracing;
a time to lose and a time to seek;
a time to rend and a time to sew;
a time to keep silent and a time to speak;
a time to love and a time to hate;
a time for war and a time for peace.

ecclesiastes 3:1-8

For Weastern Christians there is indeed a time for what need be.

[Senor Herberto]

you're referring to the Old Testament. Let me remind you that Jesus told us to turn the other cheek when someone strikes us.

If you're a Jew, come out as it. If you are a conservative christian, examine the teachings of your Savior, Jesus Christ, and think about your life and the lives you affect.

God does not cry out for blood. Every drop falls on His earth.

[Fantom]

you're referring to the Old Testament. Let me remind you that Jesus told us to turn the other cheek when someone strikes us.

If you're a Jew, come out as it. If you are a conservative christian, examine the teachings of your Savior, Jesus Christ, and think about your life and the lives you affect.

God does not cry out for blood. Every drop falls on His earth.

Actually I'm Catholic if it is any concern of yours. SO maybe you may think of me as a bad Christian.

As for the teachings of Jesus, He is but one of the trinity.

The cheek thing I remember as being struck upon the right cheek, turn the other. Why so specific. Because it deals with insults not fighting. You strike a mans right cheek with the back of your hand. WE are to ingnor insults.... not attacks.

Then there is the verse dealing with buying a sword. Peter cuts off a ear and Jesus tells him to put his sword away.."Jesus said to Peter, "Put your sword into its scabbard. Shall I not drink the cup 7 that the Father gave me?"
We are comanded to arm ourselves but Jesus had a destiny to meet.

Then there is this.

"But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

-Luke 19:27"

What say you. Is this new testament enough for you? :sorry:

[sub_zer0]

Nice , if somewhat naive, thoughts.

Someday the lion may lay down with the lamb, the meek inherate the earth. I suspect by then property values will be nil.

Just remember

For Weastern Christians there is indeed a time for what need be.

Most definately.

[Senor Herberto]

do you think Jesus ever killed anyone? needing to kill is weakness and therefore self-compromise.

it is also passionate lack of love. love is the answer.

[Nuke the Oil]

To all Christians who love peace and abhor war, I present this contradiction:

From Matthew 7:15-23

Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Now I ask you how many Christians do evil? Warmongering, paedophilia, rape, deceit. Therefore Jesus falls foul of his own metric. If his words are true then he defines himself as a false prophet. The stock Christian answer to this charge is that these people are not "true" Christians. But consider this. Any group can say this - the evil pagans are not true pagans, the evil muslims are not true muslims, the evil communists are not true communists and so on. So if this is the true state of affairs, isn't Jesus' advice totally useless and logically flawed to boot. Shouldn't the Son of God be able to put together advice that can't be torn apart by simple logical analysis? Who knows, maybe he was nuts and really thought that his followers would do no evil. But 2000 years after the fact, we know that Christians have been responsible for many great evils.

So the New Testament either (1) declares itself to be the work of a false prophet, or (2) is contradictory, wrecking the idea that this work is divine.

[RobinD69]

To all Christians who love peace and abhor war, I present this contradiction:

From Matthew 7:15-23

Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Now I ask you how many Christians do evil? Warmongering, paedophilia, rape, deceit. Therefore Jesus falls foul of his own metric. If his words are true then he defines himself as a false prophet. The stock Christian answer to this charge is that these people are not "true" Christians. But consider this. Any group can say this - the evil pagans are not true pagans, the evil muslims are not true muslims, the evil communists are not true communists and so on. So if this is the true state of affairs, isn't Jesus' advice totally useless and logically flawed to boot. Shouldn't the Son of God be able to put together advice that can't be torn apart by simple logical analysis? Who knows, maybe he was nuts and really thought that his followers would do no evil. But 2000 years after the fact, we know that Christians have been responsible for many great evils.

So the New Testament either (1) declares itself to be the work of a false prophet, or (2) is contradictory, wrecking the idea that this work is divine.
Christians are saved,not perfect and many of the socalled Christians,or semi christian or even back sliden Christians are very conviencing to the unaware christians,this is why Jesus warned us to be aware or we will be deceaved.

[Nuke the Oil]

Christians are saved,not perfect and many of the socalled Christians,or semi christian or even back sliden Christians are very conviencing to the unaware christians,this is why Jesus warned us to be aware or we will be deceaved.

If Jesus is a tree, then He has undeniably borne bad fruit. Thus what is the explanation for the section in Matthew?

[RobinD69]

If Jesus is a tree, then He has undeniably borne bad fruit. Thus what is the explanation for the section in Matthew?
Your lack of understanding the Bible from Gods perspective.Jesus bore no bad fruit,all the bad fruit you may want to contribute to Christ can be traced back to to self serving apostates and misguided Christians as the section in Matthew implied.

[Nuke the Oil]

Your lack of understanding the Bible from Gods perspective.Jesus bore no bad fruit,all the bad fruit you may want to contribute to Christ can be traced back to to self serving apostates and misguided Christians as the section in Matthew implied.

Yes, but this can be said for any faith. All the evils of those who follow Mohammed, or Odin, or Krishna or anyone else can also be blamed on self serving apostates and misguided fools as well. Thus what is the point of Jesus' statement? It can be applied to anyone or anything. You would think that a god would be able to anticipate such an obvious logical fallacy and not waste his breath.

[sub_zer0]

Now I ask you how many Christians do evil? Warmongering, paedophilia, rape, deceit.

Quite a few actually...

Therefore Jesus falls foul of his own metric. If his words are true then he defines himself as a false prophet.

How is Jesus a false prophet? Jesus was for sure in sheeps clothes, but was He inwardly a ravening wolf? No of course not, He followed His Fathers (Gods) will. The reference to fruits is the actions in peoples lives. As there were many false prophets in the Old Testament, that teaching from Jesus was a way to discern whether somebody is a believer or a non-believer. Or a prophet from God for that matter. Do they do the Fathers will? That is what Jesus is preaching, nothing more nothing less. If they do then they are of the Father, have the Holy Spirit in them and the Lord is trying to convey a messag to the people of the world at that time.

The stock Christian answer to this charge is that these people are not "true" Christians.

More like they are not doing the Fathers will as Jesus said. But it is more than that. Most are likely not to be "true Christians" indeed. But some very well could have accepted Jesus into their lives and hearts faithfully but were misguided and tempted to distort or take out of context what the Gospels said.

But consider this. Any group can say this - the evil pagans are not true pagans, the evil muslims are not true muslims, the evil communists are not true communists and so on. So if this is the true state of affairs, isn't Jesus' advice totally useless and logically flawed to boot. Shouldn't the Son of God be able to put together advice that can't be torn apart by simple logical analysis?

Here is the part of "logical analysis", logic is constraining to begin with when dealing with God and not to mention the difference you forgot to add when listing all those religions. The fact that Jesus forgives. He forgives those who sin or are evil or have done anything to sway from the true teachings of Him and His Father.

Who knows, maybe he was nuts and really thought that his followers would do no evil. But 2000 years after the fact, we know that Christians have been responsible for many great evils.

Jesus thought His followerd could do no evil? He was crucified for our sake. He knew we would do evil and died so we could be forgiven for it.

So the New Testament either (1) declares itself to be the work of a false prophet, or (2) is contradictory, wrecking the idea that this work is divine.

No, it is niether...

[Nuke the Oil]

How is Jesus a false prophet? Jesus was for sure in sheeps clothes, but was He inwardly a ravening wolf? No of course not, He followed His Fathers (Gods) will. The reference to fruits is the actions in peoples lives. As there were many false prophets in the Old Testament, that teaching from Jesus was a way to discern whether somebody is a believer or a non-believer. Or a prophet from God for that matter. Do they do the Fathers will? That is what Jesus is preaching, nothing more nothing less. If they do then they are of the Father, have the Holy Spirit in them and the Lord is trying to convey a messag to the people of the world at that time.

How do you know that inwardly Jesus wasn't a ravening wolf? How do you know that Jesus followed Gods will?

Here is the part of "logical analysis", logic is constraining to begin with when dealing with God and not to mention the difference you forgot to add when listing all those religions. The fact that Jesus forgives. He forgives those who sin or are evil or have done anything to sway from the true teachings of Him and His Father.

Jesus said judge a tree from its fruits, and Jesus had evil followers. Where is the hole in my logic. I am sure that you do think that logic is constraining, especially when it shows that your religion does not make sense. What relevance does Jesus forgiving anyone have to do with anything? He said judge a tree by its fruit, not by the tree itself. A rather foolish thing to say in my opinion, but it is what it is.

Jesus thought His followerd could do no evil? He was crucified for our sake. He knew we would do evil and died so we could be forgiven for it.

Then why did he say judge a tree by its fruits if he knew that some of his fruit was going to be rotten? I know it is idiotic, but that is what is written.

[sub_zer0]

How do you know that inwardly Jesus wasn't a ravening wolf? How do you know that Jesus followed Gods will?

He performed miracles. He cared for people, was compassionate, loving and preached about God, His kingdom and gave all glory to the Father. And Jesus fulfilled hundreds of prophecies fortold 400 years before His birth. These prophecies were told to prophets of the Old Testamanet by God, thus becoming the word of God.

Not to mention these prophets of the New Testament, to see if in fact they were of God, were tested by their conformity to Gods word, or the Old Testament (I Corinthians 14:37 and Deuteronomy 13:1-5). Their fruits also not only deal with the actions of the men but to the doctrines which they proclaim. Not from the company they keep!

Jesus said judge a tree from its fruits, and Jesus had evil followers. Where is the hole in my logic.

Their fruits also not only deal with the actions of the individual man but to the doctrines which they proclaim. Not from the company they keep!

What relevance does Jesus forgiving anyone have to do with anything? He said judge a tree by its fruit, not by the tree itself. A rather foolish thing to say in my opinion, but it is what it is.

What is the fruit? The actions of man. Man has two actions to sin or not to sin, point blank. If you sin or produce bad fruit you need to be forgiven as that is the only way back to producing good fruit and to have a life of God!

Then why did he say judge a tree by its fruits if he knew that some of his fruit was going to be rotten? I know it is idiotic, but that is what is written.

The normal or consistent production of fruit, bad or good (actions and conformity to scripture), in a persons life will bear evidence whether or not that life is of God.

How is Jesus' fruit rotten? What actions or non-conformity against scripture has He committed?

[Dangerrmouse]

Why Western? Christianity is a Middle Eastern religion, with Arab Sky God roots, as are Judaism and Islam.

[jamesrage]

Originally posted by Senor Herberto
I am filled with compassion for those afflicted. To God’s wrath: please wait forever, until the time You have selected. Please God fill us with love and spare even those who have offended you repeatedly and will offend you again. God please heal them and teach them the goodness of Your love.

Please God, may those who hunger and thirst for Your wrath upon their enemies be quenched with love instead of hate. May their bodies and minds be healed along with those of their enemies. May their minds be righted and their dissatisfactions and earthly concerns be washed away by Your love.

God, You are worthy of praise and worship. You are just and infinitely merciful. Your love is enough! Show us all what a world filled with humans living in Your love is!! God I love You!!


true love is patient. true love keeps no record of wrongs. pray for your enemies rather than hate them. even the pagans love their own. what act of righteousness is that? love even your enemies. they need God's instruction and mercy so much.

Love god with all your heart, mind, and strength, and love your neighbor as yourself.
Matthew 6
1"Be careful not to do your 'acts of righteousness' before men, to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven.

2"So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. 3But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, 4so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.

5"And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full.
6But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. 7And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. 8Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.

[sub_zer0]

Matthew 6
1"Be careful not to do your 'acts of righteousness' before men, to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven.

2"So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. 3But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, 4so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.

5"And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full.
6But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. 7And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. 8Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.

True indeed. "for we know not what we should pray for as we ought." It helps our infirmities (Romans 8:26). So if Senor Herberto is faithfully praying to God then so be it and has the Holy Spirit within him, it's cool...

[jamesrage]

Originally Posted by sub_zer0
So if Senor Herberto is faithfully praying to God then so be it and has the Holy Spirit within him, it's cool...

Reguardless if his intentions are genuine he is praying for all to see.Which is nothing more than a "hey look at me..Look!..look I am praying for you sinners" which Mathew 6:5 forbids.

[Soc.Dem.]

Reguardless if his intentions are genuine he is praying for all to see.Which is nothing more than a "hey look at me..Look!..look I am praying for you sinners" which Mathew 6:5 forbids.


What about this, James?

Judge not, that ye be not judged.

[jamesrage]

What about this, James?
Originally Posted by Matthew 7:1
Judge not, that ye be not judged.


Pointing ot one's sins is not the same as judging






Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary

judge
One entry found for judge.
Main Entry: 1judge
Pronunciation: 'j&j
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): judged; judg·ing
Etymology: Middle English juggen, from Old French jugier, from Latin judicare, from judic-, judex judge, from jus right, law + dicere to decide, say -- more at JUST, DICTION
transitive senses
1 : to form an opinion about through careful weighing of evidence and testing of premises
2 : to sit in judgment on : TRY
3 : to determine or pronounce after inquiry and deliberation
4 : GOVERN, RULE -- used of a Hebrew tribal leader
5 : to form an estimate or evaluation of; especially : to form a negative opinion about <shouldn't judge him because of his accent>
6 : to hold as an opinion : GUESS, THINK <I judge she knew what she was doing>
intransitive senses
1 : to form an opinion
2 : to decide as a judge




Matthew 3:7

7But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to where he was baptizing, he said to them: "You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the coming wrath?

Matthew 18
15"If your brother sins against you,go and show him his fault, just between the two of you. If he listens to you, you have won your brother over. 16But if he will not listen, take one or two others along, so that 'every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.' 17If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, treat him as you would a pagan or a tax collector.

[Nuke the Oil]

He performed miracles. He cared for people, was compassionate, loving and preached about God, His kingdom and gave all glory to the Father. And Jesus fulfilled hundreds of prophecies fortold 400 years before His birth. These prophecies were told to prophets of the Old Testamanet by God, thus becoming the word of God.

Oooo.. Like David Koresh...

Not to mention these prophets of the New Testament, to see if in fact they were of God, were tested by their conformity to Gods word, or the Old Testament (I Corinthians 14:37 and Deuteronomy 13:1-5). Their fruits also not only deal with the actions of the men but to the doctrines which they proclaim. Not from the company they keep!

What kind of test is that? Any fool can learn and mimic doctrines.

What is the fruit? The actions of man. Man has two actions to sin or not to sin, point blank. If you sin or produce bad fruit you need to be forgiven as that is the only way back to producing good fruit and to have a life of God!

Sin has no meaning except in a Biblical context. How about people who practice other religions?

How is Jesus' fruit rotten? What actions or non-conformity against scripture has He committed?

His followers have unleashed great darkness upon the Earth. Only now are we beginning to escape his shadow. Watch civilisation advance progressively as Jesus becomes increasingly sidelined. Hopefully the same fate awaits Mohammed.

[sub_zer0]

Oooo.. Like David Koresh...

David Koresh proclaimed to be God. Jesus did as well but He gave glory and praise to the Most High, the Father. Koresh did not. Not to mention Koresh never preached about the Kingdom of God - heaven in line with the word of God. Jesus filled hundreds of prophecies Koresh did not.... see the differences?

What kind of test is that? Any fool can learn and mimic doctrines.

But that same fool will not be able to live a Godly life and maintain good actions for long as he is corrupted by sin and evil if his goal is to mimic Gods doctrines in which he does not fully believe. Therefore you will be able to discern.

Sin has no meaning except in a Biblical context.

Sin means bad or evil or not good. So yes it does have a meaning outside of the Bible.

His followers have unleashed great darkness upon the Earth. Only now are we beginning to escape his shadow. Watch civilisation advance progressively as Jesus becomes increasingly sidelined. Hopefully the same fate awaits Mohammed.

No, Satan has unleashed a great darkenss on earth. You just fall right into the mold of castine Jesus aside. Thus the end-times draw nearer and the ultimate end to all things evil will come upon the earth.

[Strel]

No, Satan has unleashed a great darkenss on earth. You just fall right into the mold of castine Jesus aside. Thus the end-times draw nearer and the ultimate end to all things evil will come upon the earth.


And it will be damn near impossible to get a pizza delivered in less than an hour. :angel:

[Nuke the Oil]

David Koresh proclaimed to be God. Jesus did as well but He gave glory and praise to the Most High, the Father. Koresh did not. Not to mention Koresh never preached about the Kingdom of God - heaven in line with the word of God. Jesus filled hundreds of prophecies Koresh did not.... see the differences?

Koresh said he filled hundreds of prophecies as well. As for the rest didn't Koresh do all of those things?

But that same fool will not be able to live a Godly life and maintain good actions for long as he is corrupted by sin and evil if his goal is to mimic Gods doctrines in which he does not fully believe. Therefore you will be able to discern.

Given the large variances across the Christian religion it is very clear that Christians have no real powers of discernment.

No, Satan has unleashed a great darkenss on earth. You just fall right into the mold of castine Jesus aside. Thus the end-times draw nearer and the ultimate end to all things evil will come upon the earth.

Satan is a product of the Judeo-Christo-Islamic religion. Your "end times" are surely approaching but I doubt Jesus will show. Christianity will eventually be discarded. It is too corrupt.

[Nuke the Oil]

I also see that you skip the question on how all this applies to those who practice other religions.

[sub_zer0]

Koresh said he filled hundreds of prophecies as well. As for the rest didn't Koresh do all of those things?

Said he did... he didn't. You see what is happening? You are doing exactly what Jesus taught against. You are not testing a false prophet, but testing the teacher. Nothing wrong with that as you will find out that it is not true. But you are thinking Koresh was not a ravenous wolf but Jesus was.

Satan is playing you for a fool.

Given the large variances across the Christian religion it is very clear that Christians have no real powers of discernment.

It's an individual basis for this, you cannot discern by variances. If you believe Jesus died for your sins rose the third day and you believe in the trinity you are going to heaven. Also if you do that, hopefully you well let the Holy Spirit in and let you see that you are producing bad fruits. Thus once you start reading the Bible learning Gods word, yes you will be able to discern. But you must learn what you need to discern against. Simply put, people don't read the Bible, nor do they take the time to read it with a faithful heart. If they do that, they truely will be able to discern properly.

Satan is a product of the Judeo-Christo-Islamic religion. Your "end times" are surely approaching but I doubt Jesus will show. Christianity will eventually be discarded. It is too corrupt.

Satan is the product of Lucifer. And to be quite honest Satan owns this world, which is why most definately the end-times are coming. And when you see Christians raptured, don't say I didn't warn you! Or when you see things coming to be as prophesied in the book of Revelation, do not say I didn't warn you!

[Nuke the Oil]

Said he did... he didn't. You see what is happening? You are doing exactly what Jesus taught against. You are not testing a false prophet, but testing the teacher. Nothing wrong with that as you will find out that it is not true. But you are thinking Koresh was not a ravenous wolf but Jesus was.

Satan is playing you for a fool.

No, I think Koresh is a ravenous wolf. How do you know that the teacher isn't a false prophet? Satan is one of your faith's beings. Not mine.

It's an individual basis for this, you cannot discern by variances. If you believe Jesus died for your sins rose the third day and you believe in the trinity you are going to heaven. Also if you do that, hopefully you well let the Holy Spirit in and let you see that you are producing bad fruits. Thus once you start reading the Bible learning Gods word, yes you will be able to discern. But you must learn what you need to discern against. Simply put, people don't read the Bible, nor do they take the time to read it with a faithful heart. If they do that, they truely will be able to discern properly.

I read the Bible. And then I discerned that it was untrue. So all who don't believe that Jesus died for sins and rose again go to hell, no matter how virtuous they are, no matter how much light they bring to the lives of others. While a child rapist priest gets a free pass.

Satan is the product of Lucifer. And to be quite honest Satan owns this world, which is why most definately the end-times are coming. And when you see Christians raptured, don't say I didn't warn you! Or when you see things coming to be as prophesied in the book of Revelation, do not say I didn't warn you!

God must be rather incompetent if he lost ownership of His own creation. What if the end of the world comes and Jesus doesn't show?

[DRMIZER]

Let me remind you that Jesus told us to turn the other cheek when someone strikes us.

If you're a Jew, come out as it. If you are a conservative christian, examine the teachings of your Savior, Jesus Christ, and think about your life and the lives you affect.

God does not cry out for blood. Every drop falls on His earth.Okay, then what the hell is our "religious" president doing invading a foreign country essentially on "hearsay"?

[sub_zer0]

No, I think Koresh is a ravenous wolf. How do you know that the teacher isn't a false prophet? Satan is one of your faith's beings. Not mine.

Good because Koresh was, Jesus wasn't, because of the reasons I told you. Satan is real, sin is real, he is affecting you whether you care to admit it. And the fact you don't believe in him or God for that matter prove to me that Satan is.

I read the Bible. And then I discerned that it was untrue. So all who don't believe that Jesus died for sins and rose again go to hell, no matter how virtuous they are, no matter how much light they bring to the lives of others. While a child rapist priest gets a free pass.

All will be judged and that child rapists will be judged severely by the Lord. But yes, it doesn't matter what you do in your life, if you believe Christ is your Lord and Savior you are going to heaven, that easy.

God must be rather incompetent if he lost ownership of His own creation. What if the end of the world comes and Jesus doesn't show?

You are a fool for thinking such nonsense.

[Kong]

David Koresh proclaimed to be God. Jesus did as well but He gave glory and praise to the Most High, the Father. Koresh did not. Not to mention Koresh never preached about the Kingdom of God - heaven in line with the word of God. Jesus filled hundreds of prophecies Koresh did not.... see the differences?Where are you getting your information about the teachings of David Koresh? I don't remember him proclaiming himself God and I think he did preach about the Kingdom of Heaven.

[Kong]

Actually I'm Catholic if it is any concern of yours. SO maybe you may think of me as a bad Christian.

"But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. -Luke 19:27"So there it is, plan as day!
Catholic is good. I don’t believe any Catholics have ever tried to “save” me.

[Dangerrmouse]

Nuke the Oil...
Quote:
"God must be rather incompetent if he lost ownership of His own creation. What if the end of the world comes and Jesus doesn't show? "


Zero..
"You are a fool for thinking such nonsense."


This seems a harsh judgement, given that you made the initial statement back in post #27

"And to be quite honest Satan owns this world,"

[Nuke the Oil]

Good because Koresh was, Jesus wasn't, because of the reasons I told you. Satan is real, sin is real, he is affecting you whether you care to admit it. And the fact you don't believe in him or God for that matter prove to me that Satan is.

Yes, because it is entirely impossible that someone could use their free will to turn away from your myths. Satan assuredly must have his pitchfork stuck up my nether regions, and he is surely directing me what to do. Hiss. Roar. Snap. :devil:

All will be judged and that child rapists will be judged severely by the Lord. But yes, it doesn't matter what you do in your life, if you believe Christ is your Lord and Savior you are going to heaven, that easy.

Well that's boring. What is the point of life then?

You are a fool for thinking such nonsense.

If I am a fool at least I am a consistent one. You on the other hand are in danger of hell fire according to your beliefs. See Matthew 5:22.

[sub_zer0]

"And to be quite honest Satan owns this world,"

OK, but God created Satan...

[sub_zer0]

Yes, because it is entirely impossible that someone could use their free will to turn away from your myths. Satan assuredly must have his pitchfork stuck up my nether regions, and he is surely directing me what to do. Hiss. Roar. Snap. :devil:

You said it not me.

Well that's boring. What is the point of life then?

To expierence God with your own free will.

If I am a fool at least I am a consistent one. You on the other hand are in danger of hell fire according to your beliefs. See Matthew 5:22.

If sombody says you are a fool, they are in danger of judgment. Now if they were to say you are a fool who is going to Hell, that would make them in danger of Hell. The concept is and should be applied to one who has not been born again.

[Nuke the Oil]

You said it not me.

Yes, our glorious satanic conspiracy will consume you all. See us satanists know your secret: No war at Megiddo = no return of Christ. That's why I'm a pacifist. :eek: :p :rolleyes:

To expierence God with your own free will.

Couldn't we do that better with God?

If sombody says you are a fool, they are in danger of judgment. Now if they were to say you are a fool who is going to Hell, that would make them in danger of Hell. The concept is and should be applied to one who has not been born again.

Hey it's your religion not mine. Where in the Bible does it say this?

[Dangerrmouse]

OK, but God created Satan...

It follows then, that if God has not lost control to Satan because He created Satan, then He controls Satan?