Draw a line in the sand: You're for us or against us.

[dittohead not!]

Have you heard about the "Friend or Foe Christmas Campaign?" If you're one of Fallwell's half million subscribers, you soon will:

"I am calling upon thousands of pastors and churches to join
Liberty Counsel's 'Friend or Foe Christmas Campaign.' We must draw a
line in the sand and resist bullying tactics of the ACLU and others
who intimidate school and government officials by spreading
misinformation about Christmas. Celebrating Christmas is
constitutional."

http://sol.sparklist.com/read/messages?id=14663

So, how about you? Are you for Fallwell or against him? He seems to have left us no middle ground.

[Sauniere]

Have you heard about the "Friend or Foe Christmas Campaign?" If you're one of Fallwell's half million subscribers, you soon will:


http://sol.sparklist.com/read/messages?id=14663

So, how about you? Are you for Fallwell or against him? He seems to have left us no middle ground.

Fallwell is an IDIOT, and has bolstered his right to carry that moniker with his constant foot in mouth disease. And gee, "left us with no middle ground," sounds like someone we know in the White House, doesn't it? There has been no middle ground for five years and the divide between those in power and everyone else grows deeper with each passing day.

[eugene40]

I would be against him,,, very much so. He would not enjoy meeting me.

[Sauniere]

I would be against him,,, very much so. He would not enjoy meeting me.

In the early 80s he used to live in my county. He was a constant embarrassment to everyone.

[eugene40]

In the early 80s he used to live in my county. He was a constant embarrassment to everyone.

I am sorry for you... that had to sting just a little to say that.

[Sauniere]

I am sorry for you... that had to sting just a little to say that.

No, actually I feel like this huge weight has been lifted from my shoulders!

[dittohead not!]

I would be against him,,, very much so. He would not enjoy meeting me.

Aww, Eugene! He'd pray for God to save your immortal soul from your sinful ways. What could be better than that?

[eugene40]

Aww, Eugene! He'd pray for God to save your immortal soul from your sinful ways. What could be better than that?


He would be lucky to get that out before I called him a worthless piece of excrement and to remove himself from my presence before I removed him.

[Jarlaxle]

I'm an atheist, married to a Wiccan...definitely against him. Someone should toss a net over Falwell.

[Senor Herberto]

it is your duty as a human, and the right thing to do in God's eyes, to love your neighbor. even your enemies.

and to provide good counsel on what is loving.

[Senor Herberto]

He would be lucky to get that out before I called him a worthless piece of excrement and to remove himself from my presence before I removed him.

is that love? "even the pagans love their own."

[eugene40]

is that love? "even the pagans love their own."


Hell no it isn't love.. It isn't meant to be love.. It is hate, pure as the driven snow. I have an immense disdain for Falwell and the other ilk that are just like him. And he isn't one of my own. he is beneath me, you, and most of the people on this forum. If he were on fire I wouldn't even piss on him to put it out... I may fetch a bottle of kerosene or Gas or something else flamable. That would be about it.

He gives christians a bad name.. Hell he gives Humans a bad name.

[Senor Herberto]

he may well give bad names, but it is the confusion living inside his deceived mind that you hate, not his life or his body. recognize that confusion and misconception as the enemy of love and peace, and behave and speak with that knowledge.

destroying an environment empty of love will not change that it is empty of love. it must be filled.

[eugene40]

he may well give bad names, but it is the confusion living inside his deceived mind that you hate, not his life or his body. recognize that confusion and misconception as the enemy of love and peace, and behave and speak with that knowledge.

destroying an environment empty of love will not change that it is empty of love. it must be filled.


**** that! I hate the entirety of him,,, from his toenails to his hair and all things physical and metaphysical in between.

And who said I would destroy him... I wouldn't waste my time... But I wouldn't bat an eyelash if say he was run over by a bus.. I might laugh a lot.. but that would be abiout it.

[Senor Herberto]

you hate him in the name of what love?

[eugene40]

you hate him in the name of what love?


Hate is the opposite of love... Love has nothing to do with why I hate him.

[Senor Herberto]

there is love, hate, and fear. only one is a good choice. and i suppose sloth, which is also a poor choice, waiting to make one of the other three.

you hate him because... you love... [x]

what is x?

[eugene40]

there is love, hate, and fear. only one is a good choice. and i suppose sloth, which is also a poor choice, waiting to make one of the other three.

you hate him because... you love... [x]

what is x?


I hate him because his is an arsehole and a pathetic excuse for a human being. And I would say all are good choices,, because all three serve purposes at different times and situations.

X is nothing,,, I just hate the man.

[Duo_Maxwell]

Anyone else extremely amused that a christian fundemntalist nutjob is actively supporting a pagan holiday?

Fallwell is a idiot, that's not in question.

[eugene40]

Anyone else extremely amused that a christian fundemntalist nutjob is actively supporting a pagan holiday?

Fallwell is a idiot, that's not in question.


I think it is funny,,, but then again most christian holidays coincidently are close or damn straight on old pagan holidays.... Weird.

I am putting up my winter solstice tree when my nephew gets here in a couple weeks. :D

[Jarlaxle]

No coincidence...in fact, the entire Lent--->Good Friday--->Easter thing was taken intact from the mythology of Nimrod, Tummuz, & Ishtar (sometimes spelled Eastre) & the pagan spring celebration.

[dittohead not!]

No coincidence...in fact, the entire Lent--->Good Friday--->Easter thing was taken intact from the mythology of Nimrod, Tummuz, & Ishtar (sometimes spelled Eastre) & the pagan spring celebration.

There is some interesting theology here:

From Revelation 14:8

A second angel, followed, saying, "Babylon the great has fallen, which has made all the nations to drink of the wine of the wrath of her sexual immorality."

The above verse does not refer to the physical sexual activities of ancient Babylon, but to spiritual fornication with pagan deities. Specifically the pagan gods and goddesses that began with Babylon the Great, followed by Assyria, then the Greeks, and finally with Rome and the holy Roman empire (which consisted of the Roman Democratic style government and the Christopagan Roman catholic church).

http://www.sabbatarian.com/Paganism/Gateway.html

From a Christian tract, decrying the use of eggs and bunnies as pagan and calling their gods "false", as opposed to the "one true god" of the Christians:

What does this all have to do with Easter? Well, another set of local names included Tummuz and Ishtar. These are Assyrian names for Nimrod and Semiramus. The Assyrians destroyed the northern 10 tribes of Israel. Does the name Ishtar sound like Easter? Well it should. It is the same. The death and "resurrection" of these false gods was celebrated annually in the spring. The celebration included coloring eggs, an ancient symbol of fertility. The ancients even hid eggs for children to find. Rabbits, known for their prolific reproduction, also became part of the pagan celebration.
http://www.gbcmpk.org/babylonian.htm

And just who was Ishtar?

Ishtar was the ancient Sumero-Babylonian goddess of love and fertility. She is often described as the daughter of Anu, the god of the air. In most of the myths concerning her, she is described as an evil, heartless, women who destroyed her mates and lovers. Her greatest lover was the farm god Tammuz, who is similar to the Greek Adonis. After he died she went into the underworld to retrieve him but her efforts were vain and she returned to the living world alone.

http://www.pantheon.org/articles/i/ishtar.html

The Goddess Ishtar
"The Lightbringer".
Babylonian High-Mother-Goddess.
Like Inanna, she is the goddess of fertility, love and war.
Her cult was the most important one in ancient Babylon
and Ishtar became under various
names the most important Goddess
of the Near-East and Western Asia.

http://inanna.virtualave.net/ishtar.html#Relations

And what does Ishtar have to do with the resurrection?

"Ishtar", which is pronounced "Easter" was a day that commemorated the resurrection of one of their gods that they called "Tammuz", who was believed to be the only begotten son of the moon-goddess and the sun-god.

From "The Pagan Origin of Easter"
http://www.lasttrumpetministries.org/tracts/tract1.html

Ancient Christian traditions, such as Easter and Christmas are inextricably entwined with ancient pagan traditions.

[sub_zer0]

Ancient Christian traditions, such as Easter and Christmas are inextricably entwined with ancient pagan traditions.

Traditions are frowned and warned about in the Bible. Really I think Christians put too much emphasis on it... but it does not mean that it is wrong to celebrate your Saviors birth or resurrection, the thing is we have no idea exactly when they happened. Also, nowhere in scripture does it say anything about Christmas should be celebrated or Easter for that matter every year.

I think they are more similar, coincidently, than intertwined.

[Strel]

Traditions are frowned and warned about in the Bible. Really I think Christians put too much emphasis on it... but it does not mean that it is wrong to celebrate your Saviors birth or resurrection, the thing is we have no idea exactly when they happened. Also, nowhere in scripture does it say anything about Christmas should be celebrated or Easter for that matter every year.

I think they are more similar, coincidently, than intertwined.

Actually superimposed is more like it. "Christmas" and "Easter" were holidays long before Christianity. Christians, being the pushy and annoying proseletyzers that they are, just changed the names and the focus of attention. It's unfortunate, because we would otherwise know a great deal more about our original Pagan past.

Lucky for us we live in a society where the highest law of the land prevents overzealous Christians from pulling that sort of crap again. :)

[DRMIZER]

Have you heard about the "Friend or Foe Christmas Campaign?" If you're one of Fallwell's half million subscribers, you soon will:



http://sol.sparklist.com/read/messages?id=14663

So, how about you? Are you for Fallwell or against him? He seems to have left us no middle ground.I went to Liberty U. for 1 semester, got the credits and got out. Falwell has no middle ground. He's a maniac! 'Nough said.

[heel31ok]

Anyone else extremely amused that a christian fundemntalist nutjob is actively supporting a pagan holiday?

Fallwell is a idiot, that's not in question.
I am more amused that if it is a pagan holiday that the ACLU would be up in arms about it and try to stop it at every turn.So according to your criteria there is more than one nutjob out there. So between the two I guess you have to choose the lesser of two nutjobs.

[Duo_Maxwell]

I am more amused that if it is a pagan holiday that the ACLU would be up in arms about it and try to stop it at every turn.So according to your criteria there is more than one nutjob out there. So between the two I guess you have to choose the lesser of two nutjobs.

Or neither. Nutjobs should be treated with frying pans, and where treated I mean bashed over the head with.

[Void Image]

Seriously, the American Civil Liberties Union? What is this, the dark ages? Who needs a union dedicated to this 'civil liberty' mumbo jumbo, when we have government and religion to take care of that.

[dittohead not!]

Seriously, the American Civil Liberties Union? What is this, the dark ages? Who needs a union dedicated to this 'civil liberty' mumbo jumbo, when we have government and religion to take care of that.

Absolutely! If you can't trust your government and religion to keep you free, who can you trust? Why, let's do away with separation of church and state and let both of them work together to preserve our freedom.

Yeah, that's the ticket, yeah. :lol:

[myownman]

Christians seem to think it is their duty to make everyone happy so let's just let the government run everything in our lives, that would make those in power happy, it would make the majority of Americans (Christians) happy, it would make Falwell(puppet master to our illustrious President) happy. Who can resist a win win win situation like that?

[dittohead not!]

Christians seem to think it is their duty to make everyone happy so let's just let the government run everything in our lives, that would make those in power happy, it would make the majority of Americans (Christians) happy, it would make Falwell(puppet master to our illustrious President) happy. Who can resist a win win win situation like that?

No doubt about it. It should make Canadians happy too, that is, if they are interested in increasing their population. Save a place for me, eh!