Prophecies Declared 400 Years Before The Fact

[sub_zer0]

The OT includes about 60 different prophecies. With 300 references of the coming Messiah. It was through the fulfillment of these prophecies that Israel was told she would be able to recognize the true Messiah when He came.

The NT, specifically the four gospels record several times when Jesus said that He was fulfilling a prophecy of the Old Testament. Luke 24:27; 44 records this one, for example:

Verse 27 in the KJV: "And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself."

And verse 44 KJV: "And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me."

The mysteries of the Kingdom of God never cease to amaze me. With things such as prophecy within the text of the Bible it does much to declare the divine nature of the book.

"First, only God knows the future. He is able to “call the things that are not, as though they were” (Romans 4:17). He declares “the end from the beginning, and from ancient times things that are not yet done” (Isaiah 46:10; cf. Acts 15:18). In fact, the prophets of biblical history challenged their pagan contemporaries to demonstrate their predictive prowess so as to establish their spiritual credibility. Isaiah charged the heathen seers of his day: “Declare the things that are to come hereafter, that we may know that ye are gods” (41:23)."

For a bit more of an in-depth view of prophecy click here (http://www.apologeticspress.org/pdfs/e-books_pdf/idobi.pdf).

Stoner considers 48 prophecies and says, "we find the chance that any one man fulfilled all 48 prophecies to be 1 in 10157, or 1 in 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0,000,000,000,000,000,000, 000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0,000,000,000,000,000,000, 000, 000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0.

[Russikan]

The OT includes about 60 different prophecies. With 300 references of the coming Messiah. It was through the fulfillment of these prophecies that Israel was told she would be able to recognize the true Messiah when He came.

The NT, specifically the four gospels record several times when Jesus said that He was fulfilling a prophecy of the Old Testament. Luke 24:27; 44 records this one, for example:

Verse 27 in the KJV: "And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself."

And verse 44 KJV: "And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me."

The mysteries of the Kingdom of God never cease to amaze me. With things such as prophecy within the text of the Bible it does much to declare the divine nature of the book.

"First, only God knows the future. He is able to “call the things that are not, as though they were” (Romans 4:17). He declares “the end from the beginning, and from ancient times things that are not yet done” (Isaiah 46:10; cf. Acts 15:18). In fact, the prophets of biblical history challenged their pagan contemporaries to demonstrate their predictive prowess so as to establish their spiritual credibility. Isaiah charged the heathen seers of his day: “Declare the things that are to come hereafter, that we may know that ye are gods” (41:23)."

For a bit more of an in-depth view of prophecy click here (http://www.apologeticspress.org/pdfs/e-books_pdf/idobi.pdf).

Stoner considers 48 prophecies and says, "we find the chance that any one man fulfilled all 48 prophecies to be 1 in 10157, or 1 in 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0,000,000,000,000,000,000, 000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0,000,000,000,000,000,000, 000, 000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0.

I like how the two prophecies you quote mean absolutely nothing.

So, what are the odds of someone fufilling prophecies that they have read in a book? Foreknowledge of which prophecies to fufill is very useful.

[mataj]

Before the fact, you say? What fact? Fact is what we verify. How can we verify that so called facts?

[sub_zer0]

PREDICTION = Messiah will come through Noah's son Shem.
FACT = Messiah didl come through Noahs son Shem.

Noah said, "Blessed be the LORD God of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant. God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant (Gen. 9:26-27). Chapter 10 goes on list descendants of Shem, noting that he was ancestor of Eber (Heber: Luke 3:35), the founder of
the Hebrew race.

More specifically, he would be a descendant of Shem named Abraham ( Genesis 22:18; 12; 17; 22). Fulfilled: See Christ's genealogy in Matthew 1.

PREDICTION (Isaiah 7:14) = Messiah will be born of a virgin
FACT (Mathew 1; Luke 1) = Messiah was born of a virgin

[mataj]

FACT = Messiah didl come through Noahs son Shem.
. . .
FACT (Mathew 1; Luke 1) = Messiah was born of a virginNone of this is a fact.

Facts can be verified, the above statements can't. One can either believe them, or not.

[sub_zer0]

None of this is a fact.

Facts can be verified, the above statements can't. One can either believe them, or not.

What about the prophecy about the restoration of Israel that was fulfilled in 1948?

Or the prophecy stating that Jerusalem would become an international problem.

Those are clearly verefied in your lifetime.

[ultimate capita]

What about the prophecy about the restoration of Israel that was fulfilled in 1948?

Or the prophecy stating that Jerusalem would become an international problem.

Those are clearly verefied in your lifetime.
http://www.nkusa.org/AboutUs/Zionism/opposition.cfm

If looking at modern day Israel through the lenses of religion than orthodox Jews see it as a man made creation nothing more nothing less the article that I posted explains everything.

Now you seem to be calling JC the messiah am I to assume you are of Jewish faith?

http://search.aish.com/jewishissues/jewishsociety/Why_Jews_Dont_Believe_In_Jesus.asp?s=g&k=jesus

Also an article why Jews don’t believe in JC.

[sub_zer0]

http://www.nkusa.org/AboutUs/Zionism/opposition.cfm

If looking at modern day Israel through the lenses of religion than orthodox Jews see it as a man made creation nothing more nothing less the article that I posted explains everything.

Now you seem to be calling JC the messiah am I to assume you are of Jewish faith?

http://search.aish.com/jewishissues/jewishsociety/Why_Jews_Dont_Believe_In_Jesus.asp?s=g&k=jesus

Also an article why Jews don’t believe in JC.

No I am not Jewish. I am person who has a relationship with Jesus Christ.

[ultimate capita]

No I am not Jewish. I am person who has a relationship with Jesus Christ.

Very well I was just curious! As for the rest of my posts what has come of it?

Also since I seem to be in a rather bizarre wandering mood is JC=God?

[Dangerrmouse]

Amongst other failed predictions, did not Jesus prophesy that he would return with the Kingdom of God within his listeners' lifetimes? Didn't happen.

[sub_zer0]

Amongst other failed predictions, did not Jesus prophesy that he would return with the Kingdom of God within his listeners' lifetimes? Didn't happen.

Jesus was merely affirming to the disciples the glory the prophets said would come to pass through the Messiah... any other of these so-called 'failed predictions'?

You have to be more specific in order for me to comment. I have no idea what verse you are referring to.

[Dangerrmouse]

Luke again, ch 9, 20something, corroborated by Mark 13 30 the rationalisations for these will be convoluted, I'm sure.
He's "quoted" talking to the disciples, telling them he'll be back for good, in some of their lifetimes, within their generation. He wasn't.

[sub_zer0]

Luke again, ch 9, 20something, corroborated by Mark 13 30 the rationalisations for these will be convoluted, I'm sure.
He's "quoted" talking to the disciples, telling them he'll be back for good, in some of their lifetimes, within their generation. He wasn't.

OK lets do this right, you are trying to connect these two books (Mark and Luke) together when they are not supposed to be in this case.

We will start with Mark 13:30 KJV "26: And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. 27: And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven. 28: Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When her branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is near: 29: So ye in like manner, when ye shall see these things come to pass, know that it is nigh, even at the doors.
30: Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done."

Now in this specific case. It isn't trying to reference Luke in any way and is to be taken in that immediate context.

The flow of Luke chapter 9 demands it be read continuously through (Luke 9:27 - 43). There is a clear prediction (9:27) and the fulfillment (9:28-43) flow to it.

Luke 9:27 KJV "But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.
28: And it came to pass about an eight days after these sayings, he took Peter and John and James, and went up into a mountain to pray."

The ones who Jesus was speaking to were Peter, John and James. If you read the book and specifically chapter the way it is to be read than you would come to the conclusion that when the ones "standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.." are literally Peter, John and James and that is the prediction. The fulfillment comes at verses 28-29 when Christ transfigures into magnificent glory. Elijah and Moses appeared along with Christ as representatives of the Law and Prophets to discuss His coming death in Jerusalem. And what those disciples saw was the kingdom of God.

[eugene40]

The OT includes about 60 different prophecies. With 300 references of the coming Messiah. It was through the fulfillment of these prophecies that Israel was told she would be able to recognize the true Messiah when He came.

The NT, specifically the four gospels record several times when Jesus said that He was fulfilling a prophecy of the Old Testament. Luke 24:27; 44 records this one, for example:

Verse 27 in the KJV: "And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself."

And verse 44 KJV: "And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me."

The mysteries of the Kingdom of God never cease to amaze me. With things such as prophecy within the text of the Bible it does much to declare the divine nature of the book.

"First, only God knows the future. He is able to “call the things that are not, as though they were” (Romans 4:17). He declares “the end from the beginning, and from ancient times things that are not yet done” (Isaiah 46:10; cf. Acts 15:18). In fact, the prophets of biblical history challenged their pagan contemporaries to demonstrate their predictive prowess so as to establish their spiritual credibility. Isaiah charged the heathen seers of his day: “Declare the things that are to come hereafter, that we may know that ye are gods” (41:23)."

For a bit more of an in-depth view of prophecy click here (http://www.apologeticspress.org/pdfs/e-books_pdf/idobi.pdf).

Stoner considers 48 prophecies and says, "we find the chance that any one man fulfilled all 48 prophecies to be 1 in 10157, or 1 in 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0,000,000,000,000,000,000, 000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0,000,000,000,000,000,000, 000, 000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0.


A good many of nostradamus' predictions have come true. And he saw them, if I recall correctly by looking in a blackened mirror. So your point is? I can stand at an intersection and say soon there will be an accident and low and behold, soon enough there is an accident. Am I mythical, special, prophetic. No! nothing special,, just like yours.

[Dangerrmouse]

OK lets do this right, you are trying to connect these two books (Mark and Luke) together when they are not supposed to be in this case.

We will start with Mark 13:30 KJV "26: And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. 27: And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven. 28: Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When her branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is near: 29: So ye in like manner, when ye shall see these things come to pass, know that it is nigh, even at the doors.
30: Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done."

Now in this specific case. It isn't trying to reference Luke in any way and is to be taken in that immediate context.

The flow of Luke chapter 9 demands it be read continuously through (Luke 9:27 - 43). There is a clear prediction (9:27) and the fulfillment (9:28-43) flow to it.

Luke 9:27 KJV "But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.
28: And it came to pass about an eight days after these sayings, he took Peter and John and James, and went up into a mountain to pray."

The ones who Jesus was speaking to were Peter, John and James. If you read the book and specifically chapter the way it is to be read than you would come to the conclusion that when the ones "standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.." are literally Peter, John and James and that is the prediction. The fulfillment comes at verses 28-29 when Christ transfigures into magnificent glory. Elijah and Moses appeared along with Christ as representatives of the Law and Prophets to discuss His coming death in Jerusalem. And what those disciples saw was the kingdom of God.

Who says these two books should not be connected? Are they not (differently) describing the same prophecy? Why should the same story be read differently depending on who tells it?
Mark reports him saying that "this generation shall not pass" before all his predictions come about, and Luke claims that he told the disciples that some of them would live to see them come true.

Once again with the mountains. Is God a little hard of hearing?

I notice that you are selective about which Bible version you quote depending on which translation favours your case better.

[Typopostive]

The OT includes about 60 different prophecies. With 300 references of the coming Messiah. It was through the fulfillment of these prophecies that Israel was told she would be able to recognize the true Messiah when He came.

The NT, specifically the four gospels record several times when Jesus said that He was fulfilling a prophecy of the Old Testament. Luke 24:27; 44 records this one, for example:

Verse 27 in the KJV: "And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself."

And verse 44 KJV: "And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me."

The mysteries of the Kingdom of God never cease to amaze me. With things such as prophecy within the text of the Bible it does much to declare the divine nature of the book.

"First, only God knows the future. He is able to “call the things that are not, as though they were” (Romans 4:17). He declares “the end from the beginning, and from ancient times things that are not yet done” (Isaiah 46:10; cf. Acts 15:18). In fact, the prophets of biblical history challenged their pagan contemporaries to demonstrate their predictive prowess so as to establish their spiritual credibility. Isaiah charged the heathen seers of his day: “Declare the things that are to come hereafter, that we may know that ye are gods” (41:23)."

For a bit more of an in-depth view of prophecy click here (http://www.apologeticspress.org/pdfs/e-books_pdf/idobi.pdf).

Stoner considers 48 prophecies and says, "we find the chance that any one man fulfilled all 48 prophecies to be 1 in 10157, or 1 in 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0,000,000,000,000,000,000, 000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0,000,000,000,000,000,000, 000, 000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0.

Hmmmmmm...........Is that to the 52 power? I need to know for sure inorder to put a circle around that date on my calendar. :lol:

[Duo_Maxwell]

Write anything vague enough fortelling something in the future and odds are a myriad of events will under certain interpretations fulfill it.

[sub_zer0]

Write anything vague enough fortelling something in the future and odds are a myriad of events will under certain interpretations fulfill it.

For it to happen defies all possibilities. Do you see the chances of it happening? You act as if fortelling a Messiah, namely Jesus, to be born of a virigin LONG before it happened, happens everyday.

[Democritus]

What about the prophecy about the restoration of Israel that was fulfilled in 1948?

Or the prophecy stating that Jerusalem would become an international problem.

Those are clearly verefied in your lifetime.

The restoration of Israel was at best wishful thinking at the time. What else would you tell your followers? "Yeah... you're never getting your homeland back... sorry about that. But hey, you're still the chosen people, so cheer up."

I'm not familiar with a prophecy stating that Jerusalem would become an international problem. But really that just shows a bit of insight into the way people get along. In much the same way I could make a 'prophecy' saying some place is going to be an international problem... It's bound to be true sooner or later.

[sub_zer0]

The restoration of Israel was at best wishful thinking at the time. What else would you tell your followers? "Yeah... you're never getting your homeland back... sorry about that. But hey, you're still the chosen people, so cheer up."

They have their homeland back in more form now (since 1948) more than ever. They have recognized borders in the known world.

" I will take you from the nations, gather you from all the lands, and bring you into your own land." Ezekiel 36:24

I'm not familiar with a prophecy stating that Jerusalem would become an international problem. But really that just shows a bit of insight into the way people get along. In much the same way I could make a 'prophecy' saying some place is going to be an international problem... It's bound to be true sooner or later.

" Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem. And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it." Zec 12:2- 3

[mataj]

What about the prophecy about the restoration of Israel that was fulfilled in 1948?

Or the prophecy stating that Jerusalem would become an international problem.

Those are clearly verefied in your lifetime.Interpretation of theese was concocted after the fact, Nostradamus style.

[Void Image]

For it to happen defies all possibilities. Do you see the chances of it happening? You act as if fortelling a Messiah, namely Jesus, to be born of a virigin LONG before it happened, happens everyday.

Sub, years ago I prophecized that a magic, winged unicorn would emerge from my kitchen sink and take me on a ride to Canada, and guess what? It happened.

[Duo_Maxwell]

For it to happen defies all possibilities. Do you see the chances of it happening? You act as if fortelling a Messiah, namely Jesus, to be born of a virigin LONG before it happened, happens everyday.

Learn reading comphrension. A messiah, or a false prophet? Who gets to decide? Besides there's no evidence the man existed in the first place.

This sounds like another stupid argument that relies upon proving something with itself.

Retarded.

[Senor Herberto]

you cannot convince someone of something they do not want to believe.

you cannot force someone to love.

God please soften their hearts and teach them with mercy through their lives and relationships.

[sub_zer0]

you cannot convince someone of something they do not want to believe.

you cannot force someone to love.

God please soften their hearts and teach them with mercy through their lives and relationships.

Good one... Amen.

[Dangerrmouse]

People don't think with their hearts, Senor, It's a different part of the anatomy needs to be softened for them to believe.

[sub_zer0]

People don't think with their hearts, Senor, It's a different part of the anatomy needs to be softened for them to believe.

The fact that people don't think with there hearts is why they can't be softened.

Stil haven't proven to me that prophecies are false.

[Void Image]

you cannot convince someone of something they do not want to believe.

This is why no one bothers arguing with you anymore sub. It's pointless, because you don't argue. You just spew religious dogma all over the place, lap it back up, and spit it out again.

[sub_zer0]

This is why no one bothers arguing with you anymore sub. It's pointless, because you don't argue. You just spew religious dogma all over the place, lap it back up, and spit it out again.

Aren't we talking about religion?

[Art of War]

I prefer to follow the great Chris Rock and his prophecies. All of which have come true I might add. Beat that Jesus.

heres a harascope for everyone

Aquarius your going die

Capricorn your going die

Gemini your going die twice

Leo your going die

Scorpio your going die

[Art of War]

This is why no one bothers arguing with you anymore sub. It's pointless, because you don't argue. You just spew religious dogma all over the place, lap it back up, and spit it out again.

Nope I still argue with him because I am definitely still waiting on a logical reason for God to violate his own laws. Until then its physics, physics, physics.

[mataj]

I prefer to follow the great Chris Rock and his prophecies. All of which have come true I might add. Beat that Jesus.
This is my favorite:


Ktulhut

The time comes, the sea opens wide,
Kneeling to salute the Great Old One,
The dark waters are pushed aside
As the black towers swallow the sun.

As the door to His tomb, milenniums old,
Slowly creaks open, all over the world
The people revel in joy and shout,
Greeting the One the stars have let out.

All men of all races, all animals on Earth,
Killing each other in ways unknown before,
The turrent of blood, it signs His rebirth,
Ktulhut from the stars free once more...

Not dead and not willing to lie,
Strange Aeons, death has died.

© 1997 Ricardo Madeira

[Underling]

you cannot convince someone of something they do not want to believe.

Nor can you convince some one to change when they are in fear of retribution.