Was Salvador Dali a prophet?

[Odhinn]

http://www.salvadordalimuseum.org/collection/classic/persistence_of_memory.php

In his painting "disintegration of the persistence of memry" the numbers 9 and 11 on the middle clock are the only ones painted red. The blocks on the bottom kind of look to me like a tall building. Could it be that Salvador Dali was indicating that on 9-11 a building would dissipate into what we could call the inception of the disintegration of the persistance of memory?

False premises to cause war, a chemical weapon that is not a chemical weapon, secret prisons that don't exist but if they do they are not using torture, but if they do then the torture they use is not 'real' torture. I don't quite think the people making these decision are counting on the persistence of memory.

[sub_zer0]

http://www.salvadordalimuseum.org/collection/classic/persistence_of_memory.php

In his painting "disintegration of the persistence of memry" the numbers 9 and 11 on the middle clock are the only ones painted red. The blocks on the bottom kind of look to me like a tall building. Could it be that Salvador Dali was indicating that on 9-11 a building would dissipate into what we could call the inception of the disintegration of the persistance of memory?

False premises to cause war, a chemical weapon that is not a chemical weapon, secret prisons that don't exist but if they do they are not using torture, but if they do then the torture they use is not 'real' torture. I don't quite think the people making these decision are counting on the persistence of memory.

Yes, a false prophet.

[Dangerrmouse]

In what way false?

[sub_zer0]

In what way false?

In what way true?

[Dangerrmouse]

The onus is on you to justify your assertion that he is false.

[sub_zer0]

The onus is on you to justify your assertion that he is false.

Because He contradicted Gods word... now you.

"I tried sex once with a woman and that woman was Gala. It was overrated. I tried sex once with a man and that man was the famous juggler Federico Garcia Lorca (the Spanish Surrealist poet). It was very painful." - Salavador Dali.

[Dangerrmouse]

How so? what contradiction? Dali's painting correctly predicted 911.

[prst31]

I don't doubt the power of the human mind, conscious or subconscious. There are a few idiot savants in the world that can demonstrate our true mental capabilities if you ask me.

[sub_zer0]

How so? what contradiction? Dali's painting correctly predicted 911.

No prophet, sent from God to declare His message to the masses, would of said this...

"I tried sex once with a woman and that woman was Gala. It was overrated. I tried sex once with a man and that man was the famous juggler Federico Garcia Lorca (the Spanish Surrealist poet). It was very painful." - Salavador Dali.

[Dangerrmouse]

What has that to do with his accurate specific prophecy?

[nogoodname90]

hes false

[sub_zer0]

What has that to do with his accurate specific prophecy?

LOL, nothing except that he is a false prophet... like I said. Therfore whatever he says means nothing.

[Dangerrmouse]

You read a lot that isn't there...Where is it suggested that he was sent from god, apart from your assumption?

[sub_zer0]

You read a lot that isn't there...Where is it suggested that he was sent from god, apart from your assumption?

And you just don't read...

"I tried sex once with a woman and that woman was Gala. It was overrated. I tried sex once with a man and that man was the famous juggler Federico Garcia Lorca (the Spanish Surrealist poet). It was very painful." - Salavador Dali.

[Soc.Dem.]

And you just don't read...

"I tried sex once with a woman and that woman was Gala. It was overrated. I tried sex once with a man and that man was the famous juggler Federico Garcia Lorca (the Spanish Surrealist poet). It was very painful." - Salavador Dali.


You really have an aversion against answering questions, don't you?

[sub_zer0]

You really have an aversion against answering questions, don't you?

My goodness, do I need to spell it out for you? Salavdor Dhali was gay, he had sex with a man... no profit sent from God would do that, thus he is a false prophet and I won't listen to him.

[Soc.Dem.]

My goodness, do I need to spell it out for you? Salavdor Dhali was gay, he had sex with a man... no profit sent from God would do that, thus he is a false prophet and I won't listen to him.


According to your definition of the word "prophet", a prophet is a messenger from god.

But your definition is not the only definition.

Dangerrmouse obviously defines the prophet as someone who correctly predicts events in the future.

[sub_zer0]

According to your definition of the word "prophet", a prophet is a messenger from god.

But your definition is not the only definition.

Dangerrmouse obviously defines the prophet as someone who correctly predicts events in the future.

And, again... that is when he becomes a false prophet... he is not sent from God. When deciding whether or not somebody is from God, I use the Bible and my definitions of a prophet to discern whether or not I should listen.

[Soc.Dem.]

And, again... that is when he becomes a false prophet... he is not sent from God.


According your definition, yes.

According to Dangerrmouse's definition, no.

[sub_zer0]

According your definition, yes.

According to Dangerrmouse's definition, no.

Obviously because my defintion comes from another source that is authoritative in such matters. He has nothing, that I know of, to tell him whether or not he should believe.

[Soc.Dem.]

Obviously because my defintion comes from another source that is authoritative in such matters. He has nothing, that I know of, to tell him whether or not he should believe.

Your source is only authoritative for those who believe in it.

You need to get that into your head.

[sub_zer0]

Your source is only authoritative for those who believe in it.

You need to get that into your head.

The same goes for you and Dangerrmouse as well... it is a discernment based on the non-belief of the Bible. Which is why you are taking the side of him being a prophet.

[Dangerrmouse]

Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was a Godsend, possibly even your God!

[Soc.Dem.]

The same goes for you and Dangerrmouse as well... it is a discernment based on the non-belief of the Bible. Which is why you are taking the side of him being a prophet.


I do understand that some people have different definition of the word than me.

That's why, unlike you, I don't say neighter "Salvador Dali is a false prophet. That's the way it is, I know because my source is authorative. Point. End of discussion."

Nor "Salvador Dali is a true prophet. That's the way it is, I know because my source is authorative. Point. End of discussion."

[sub_zer0]

Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was a Godsend, possibly even your God!

That's it, take a stance in something you don't believe in.

[Dangerrmouse]

OK, The bible admonishes heterosexuals 362 times while only admonishing homosexuality 6 times. Why do you condemn Dali, who had only two experiences in his lifetime, once each.

[Dangerrmouse]

Do you accept the Prophet Muhammad as sent from God, or not? Answer the question, it's not difficult.

[sub_zer0]

OK, The bible admonishes heterosexuals 362 times while only admonishing homosexuality 6 times. Why do you condemn Dali, who had only two experiences in his lifetime, once each.

I don't condemn Dali. I am trying to show you that he is not a prophet. Why in the world, would a prophet sent from God, or just a prophet for that matter, need to in any way, shape or form have to have sex with another guy?

Do you accept the Prophet Muhammad as sent from God, or not? Answer the question, it's not difficult.

Apparently I haven't made myself clear enough... NO!

[Dangerrmouse]

A prophet for the purpose of this debate, is someone who predicts the future. Dali has done this. Who he did or did not have sex with is irrelevant.

[Soc.Dem.]

Apparently I haven't made myself clear enough... NO!


You have...but why?

[sub_zer0]

A prophet for the purpose of this debate, is someone who predicts the future. Dali has done this. Who he did or did not have sex with is irrelevant.

That is a worldy view of a prophet... I do not subscribe to those views. Again I have something else... something from God and it says, a prophet is somebody sent from God to reveal messages to the masses on Gods behalf.

Salvador Dali didn't fit the bill, therefore he is not a prophet.

[Soc.Dem.]

Salvador Dali didn't fit the bill, therefore he is not a prophet.

Let me correct you:

Salvador Dali didn't fit the bill, therefore he is not a prophet, according to your definition of the word prophet.

[sub_zer0]

Let me correct you:

Salvador Dali didn't fit the bill, therefore he is not a prophet, according to your definition of the word prophet.

If you would of took the time to quote all of what I said. Perhaps you would realize that is what I am saying.

[Soc.Dem.]

If you would of took the time to quote all of what I said. Perhaps you would realize that is what I am saying.


Then say exactly that.

A little humility wouldn't hurt you in the debate.

[Dangerrmouse]

Islam recognises JC as a prophet, why do you not return the favour?

[sub_zer0]

Islam recognises JC as a prophet, why do you not return the favour?

Jesus wasn't just a prophet... He was God... see the difference?

[Dangerrmouse]

[QUOTE=sub_zer0]That is a worldy view of a prophet... I do not subscribe to those views. QUOTE]

Which world do you live in?

[sub_zer0]

[QUOTE=sub_zer0]That is a worldy view of a prophet... I do not subscribe to those views. QUOTE]

Which world do you live in?

Earth, and you?

[NiteGuy]

Obviously because my defintion comes from another source that is authoritative in such matters. He has nothing, that I know of, to tell him whether or not he should believe.


Umm, sub, I hate to break it to you, but this is the general Religion and Philosophy forum and not your personal "biblical precepts and interpretation forum".

Other people here have a right to an opinion and to their definition of certain words, whether they appeared in the Bible or not. While we're at it, let's take a look at the common definitions of the word prophet, shall we?

From Dictionary.Com
1. A person who speaks by divine inspiration or as the interpreter through whom the will of a god is expressed.

2. A person gifted with profound moral insight and exceptional powers of expression.

3. A predictor; a soothsayer.

4. The chief spokesperson of a movement or cause.
So, let's see. The way I see it, either definition one or three could apply to this painting.

We don't know (and neither do you, Sub), that God was not somehow inspiring Dali to do this painting. Or that a flash of inspiration came to Dali from God to leave a warning of what was to come on 9/11, and we simply failed to find the meaning in time?

The other definition, a predictor or soothsayer could be accurate as well, whether or not devine influence is deduced, or even inferred.

As to your assertion that:
No prophet, sent from God to declare His message to the masses, would of said this...

"I tried sex once with a woman and that woman was Gala. It was overrated. I tried sex once with a man and that man was the famous juggler Federico Garcia Lorca (the Spanish Surrealist poet). It was very painful." - Salavador Dali.

How do you know what God would have or would not have done with respect to the life of Dali? Do you now purport to know what God thinks, all of the time? Or whom God may choose to send us our next message? Do you honestly think that the Jerry Fallwells, Pat Robertson's and Bob Jones's have a monopoly on the market?

Gala, in case you weren't aware, was Dali's lifetime partner, muse, and wife. Hell, he was so in love with her he bought her a Castle. I daresay he probably had sex with her more than just once.

Garcia Lorca was gay, yes, and a one-time friend of Dali's but that does not mean that Dali was gay. He was also friends with any number of other important Spanish and Italian artists of the day, such as Luis Bunuel, and Picasso, both decidedly non gay.

Dali was known for a quick wit and an outrageous toungue, so could it be, maybe, that Dali was telling a joke? It may not have been in the best of taste, but to base whether or not someone is gay, on one comment made over an entire lifetime spent to the contrary, seems rather ridiculous. And then to base your belief on whether or not he could indeed be a prophet based on a poorly made joke, seems even more ridiculous.

[Dangerrmouse]

[QUOTE=Dangerrmouse]

Earth, and you?


We obviously inhabit different realities. You claimed JC as a prophet on another thread, now you say not, he was a god. where is your evidence for either condition?

[NiteGuy]

[QUOTE=sub_zer0]

Where is your evidence for either condition?

You know what he's going to say................ :rolleyes:

[Dangerrmouse]

:banghead: ?? :lol:

[sub_zer0]

Umm, sub, I hate to break it to you, but this is the general Religion and Philosophy forum and not your personal "biblical precepts and interpretation forum".

Other people here have a right to an opinion and to their definition of certain words, whether they appeared in the Bible or not. While we're at it, let's take a look at the common definitions of the word prophet, shall we?

From Dictionary.Com
1. A person who speaks by divine inspiration or as the interpreter through whom the will of a god is expressed.

2. A person gifted with profound moral insight and exceptional powers of expression.

3. A predictor; a soothsayer.

4. The chief spokesperson of a movement or cause.

So, let's see. The way I see it, either definition one or three could apply to this painting.

We don't know (and neither do you, Sub), that God was not somehow inspiring Dali to do this painting. Or that a flash of inspiration came to Dali from God to leave a warning of what was to come on 9/11, and we simply failed to find the meaning in time?

I won't compromise on my definition, number 1, "someone with divine inspiration whom the will of a god is expressed." That God is of the Bible in my view, my opinion. Nobody has proven me wrong in that - so I have no other choice, ;p. My view, in particular, is that no other profit is needed after the last words were penned in the Bible - in Revelation. None were needed, end of story.

So for Salvador Dali to come along - already not fitting the bill, I do know whether or not God sent Dali a flash of inspiration to leave a warning.

Really, to me Dali was more, number 4.

The other definition, a predictor or soothsayer could be accurate as well, whether or not devine influence is deduced, or even inferred.

As to your assertion that:

No prophet, sent from God to declare His message to the masses, would of said this...

"I tried sex once with a woman and that woman was Gala. It was overrated. I tried sex once with a man and that man was the famous juggler Federico Garcia Lorca (the Spanish Surrealist poet). It was very painful." - Salavador Dali.

How do you know what God would have or would not have done with respect to the life of Dali? Do you now purport to know what God thinks, all of the time? Or whom God may choose to send us our next message? Do you honestly think that the Jerry Fallwells, Pat Robertson's and Bob Jones's have a monopoly on the market?

Because God no longer is involved like that. He does not need profits to declare His message. Jesus Christ fit the bill once and for all. All I have done is study the Bible - Gods word to us. So I guess I do know a bit about God.

Gala, in case you weren't aware, was Dali's lifetime partner, muse, and wife. Hell, he was so in love with her he bought her a Castle. I daresay he probably had sex with her more than just once.

Garcia Lorca was gay, yes, and a one-time friend of Dali's but that does not mean that Dali was gay. He was also friends with any number of other important Spanish and Italian artists of the day, such as Luis Bunuel, and Picasso, both decidedly non gay.

He had sex with a man, it says it right there.

Dali was known for a quick wit and an outrageous toungue, so could it be, maybe, that Dali was telling a joke? It may not have been in the best of taste, but to base whether or not someone is gay, on one comment made over an entire lifetime spent to the contrary, seems rather ridiculous. And then to base your belief on whether or not he could indeed be a prophet based on a poorly made joke, seems even more ridiculous.

I am basing that quote on his life. What else do I have? I've read some of his biography, I know. The comment was a bit to in detail to be a joke in my eyes. I am not only basing my belief of him being a proft just on that quote but on what God has said to me and you in the Bible.

[Craig]

At the risk of ruining everyone's fun and the immensely productive discussions that have thereby ensued, I don't think Salvador Dali's clock actually has the numbers 9 and 11 in red. Why do I say this? Because on most clocks, the intersection of the two hands, (illustrated as a red "volcanic dome"-shaped piece at the center of the clock in question in Salvador's painting), lies exactly in between the 9 and the 3 on the clock. If you do a Google image search for clocks (http://images.google.ca/images?q=Clock&hl=en&btnG=Search+Images) you will see that this is the case. If you look at the number directly opposite the red centerpiece of the clock, you'll note that it's black, not red. Therefore, I would suggest that it's actually the 8 and the 10 that are in red, rather than the 9 and the 11.

[NiteGuy]

I won't compromise on my definition, number 1, "someone with divine inspiration whom the will of a god is expressed." That God is of the Bible in my view, my opinion. Nobody has proven me wrong in that - so I have no other choice, ;p. My view, in particular, is that no other profit is needed after the last words were penned in the Bible - in Revelation. None were needed, end of story.There you go again. Purporting to know what God thinks, and how he would choose to communicate with his children....
So for Salvador Dali to come along - already not fitting the bill, I do know whether or not God sent Dali a flash of inspiration to leave a warning."Already not fitting the bill", in your opinion. Not necessarily someone elses. And again, how do you know what God would choose to do with Dali? You may speculate, of course. But there is absolutely no possible way for you to know.

Really, to me Dali was more, number 4. Really? What movement or cause was he the leader of? What organization did he head up? I would actually say, that if his painting did indeed fortell 9/11, whether you buy definition one or not, that he could at the very least, also fall into categories two or three.
Because God no longer is involved like that. He does not need profits to declare His message. Jesus Christ fit the bill once and for all. All I have done is study the Bible - Gods word to us. So I guess I do know a bit about God.Again, how do you know? You can't for certain. No one can, because no one can know the thoughts of God, or what actions he may deem to take next. Those that do claim so, are setting themselves up as prophets. And false ones, at that.

He had sex with a man, it says it right there.

I am basing that quote on his life. What else do I have? I've read some of his biography, I know. The comment was a bit to in detail to be a joke in my eyes. I am not only basing my belief of him being a proft just on that quote but on what God has said to me and you in the Bible.
He also says he had sex with his life-companion, lover, and wife only once. I supppose you buy that, too.

You're not the only one who's read his biography, you know? There was some speculation at one time, that he may have been a lover of Garcia Lorca, only because they were at one time close friends. But that speculation has largely been discredited. Dali was also known to have been a lover to several women, before he met Gala. And he was married to her for years and years.

Again, I see, as do most others, that this comment was made in jest, as a joke. As I said, it may have been in poor taste, and not your type of humor, but it's hardly definitive proof that Dali was "gay".

Even so, what of it? There is some speculation, because of a couple of passages, that King David may have been in a gay relationship. And the Bible is repleat with stories of God using murderers, thieves, and prostitutes to further his aims on Earth. Who's to say (except you, of course), that he couldn't use an artist?

[KMFDM]

At the risk of ruining everyone's fun and the immensely productive discussions that have thereby ensued, I don't think Salvador Dali's clock actually has the numbers 9 and 11 in red. Why do I say this? Because on most clocks, the intersection of the two hands, (illustrated as a red "volcanic dome"-shaped piece at the center of the clock in question in Salvador's painting), lies exactly in between the 9 and the 3 on the clock. If you do a Google image search for clocks (http://images.google.ca/images?q=Clock&hl=en&btnG=Search+Images) you will see that this is the case. If you look at the number directly opposite the red centerpiece of the clock, you'll note that it's black, not red. Therefore, I would suggest that it's actually the 8 and the 10 that are in red, rather than the 9 and the 11.

I was going to say I looked at the clock and didn't see anything that would make me think of 9-11. Now try folding the twenty dollar bill that special way it looks a lot more like the towers to me.
As for the definitions of prophets its kind of hard to pick eliminate them because of past wrong doings. From what I can remember the Bible is full of social miscreants doing God's work. The oldest profession being a popular one.

[sub_zer0]

I was going to say I looked at the clock and didn't see anything that would make me think of 9-11. Now try folding the twenty dollar bill that special way it looks a lot more like the towers to me.
As for the definitions of prophets its kind of hard to pick eliminate them because of past wrong doings. From what I can remember the Bible is full of social miscreants doing God's work. The oldest profession being a popular one.

Folding a 20 is weird.

[KMFDM]

I was going to say I looked at the clock and didn't see anything that would make me think of 9-11. Now try folding the twenty dollar bill that special way it looks a lot more like the towers to me.
As for the definitions of prophets its kind of hard to pick eliminate them because of past wrong doings. From what I can remember the Bible is full of social miscreants doing God's work. The oldest profession being a popular one.

in case people didn't get what i meant heres a link for the directions to fold the 20 http://www.clydelewis.com/twenty.html

[sub_zer0]

At the risk of ruining everyone's fun and the immensely productive discussions that have thereby ensued, I don't think Salvador Dali's clock actually has the numbers 9 and 11 in red. Why do I say this? Because on most clocks, the intersection of the two hands, (illustrated as a red "volcanic dome"-shaped piece at the center of the clock in question in Salvador's painting), lies exactly in between the 9 and the 3 on the clock. If you do a Google image search for clocks (http://images.google.ca/images?q=Clock&hl=en&btnG=Search+Images) you will see that this is the case. If you look at the number directly opposite the red centerpiece of the clock, you'll note that it's black, not red. Therefore, I would suggest that it's actually the 8 and the 10 that are in red, rather than the 9 and the 11.

There goes it, looks like I was right. It doesn't even reference 9 or 11, Dali isn't a prophet.

[Craig]

There goes it, looks like I was right. It doesn't even reference 9 or 11, Dali isn't a prophet.

I do want you to note, Sub_zer0, that your reasoning and my reasoning were utterly different on this point. Your reasoning was based upon your interpretation of the Bible, and mine was based upon logical reasoning. This is my idea, not yours, and I want that to be very clear. ;) In this case, it's not a matter of you being right- one isn't compelled to accept your explanation based upon your interpretation of the Bible- but rather that I am correct and that I support your conclusion is entirely incidental.

[sub_zer0]

I do want you to note, Sub_zer0, that your reasoning and my reasoning were utterly different on this point. Your reasoning was based upon your interpretation of the Bible, and mine was based upon logical reasoning. This is my idea, not yours, and I want that to be very clear. ;) In this case, it's not a matter of you being right- one isn't compelled to accept your explanation based upon your interpretation of the Bible- but rather that I am correct and that I support your conclusion is entirely incidental.

Don't you see where I quoted you?

And everything has a reason... It was not only supposed to prove that the Bible is correct, but that really they were basing their whole thing on somethiing that isn't even shown to be it. You happened to prove the last one and mine at the same time. You see, no incident but purpose.

[Craig]

Don't you see where I quoted you?

Yes, I see that you quoted me. I also see that you declared "I'm right" when, as I noted, I was right and it's merely incidental that we both agree on the conclusion.

And everything has a reason... It was not only supposed to prove that the Bible is correct, but that really they were basing their whole thing on somethiing that isn't even shown to be it. You happened to prove the last one and mine at the same time. You see, no incident but purpose.

And my reasons for noting the distinction that it was my reasoning, and not necessarily yours which was correct, is due to fears what you've written right here. My reasoning incidentally supports your view of the Bible- but you'll notice that I never made reference to whether or not the Bible was correct in my discussion. Our arguments are totally different, but now you're claiming that my argument supports the Bible being correct, which it does not.

In a crude symbolic form, your argument is:

If A and B then C

My argument is:

If Y and Z then C

We both agree on C, that Salvador Dali is not a prophet. The problem is that you've stated that because C, the conclusion that Salvador Dali is not a prophet, is correct, then necessary "A and B" are correct. In actual fact, we've established that my argument, "If Y and Z then C" is correct, but not that "If A and B then C" is correct.

So you see, it's not purposeful, as you claim, but rather incidental. And that's my point.

[Craig]

If you found all that hard to follow sub_zer0, here's another way of putting it:

The argument "The intersections of clock hands align with the '9' and '3', the digit in line with the intersection in Salvador's painting is not red, therefore Salvador is not a prophet because the '9' and '11' are not actually red" does not support the argument "Salvador Dali is homosexual, homosexuals cannot be prophets, therefore Salvador Dali is not a prophet".

[sub_zer0]

If you found all that hard to follow sub_zer0, here's another way of putting it:

The argument "The intersections of clock hands align with the '9' and '3', the digit in line with the intersection in Salvador's painting is not red, therefore Salvador is not a prophet because the '9' and '11' are not actually red" does not support the argument "Salvador Dali is homosexual, homosexuals cannot be prophets, therefore Salvador Dali is not a prophet".

My argument was that Dali is not a prophet. I say he is homosexual to prove further that he is not a prophet, specifically one sent from God.

[Craig]

My argument was that Dali is not a prophet. I say he is homosexual to prove further that he is not a prophet, specifically one sent from God.

Regardless, Sub_Zer0, what you've argued this far has little relation to the colour of the numbers of the clock, which is why I was careful to note the distinctions between your conclusions and mine as being incidentally similar.

[sub_zer0]

Regardless, Sub_Zer0, what you've argued this far has little relation to the colour of the numbers of the clock, which is why I was careful to note the distinctions between your conclusions and mine as being incidentally similar.

It has nothing to do with the colors of the clock. It has everything to do with you proving that Dali wasn't a prophet, thus proving what I was saying.

[Craig]

It has nothing to do with the colors of the clock. It has everything to do with you proving that Dali wasn't a prophet, thus proving what I was saying.


But you did catch that I proved your conclusion, and not the argument for your conclusion, right? What you've written below suggests that I have proven that the Bible was right based upon your line of reasoning. And that's something I haven't done. The Bible may be right insofar that it shares the same conclusion: Salvador Dali is not a prophet. But that doesn't mean that it's premises that lead to this conclusion are correct. Is that clear?

It was not only supposed to prove that the Bible is correct, but that really they were basing their whole thing on somethiing that isn't even shown to be it. You happened to prove the last one and mine at the same time. You see, no incident but purpose.

[Craig]

On the subject Sub_zer0, do you honestly know what premises and conclusions are?

[sub_zer0]

But you did catch that I proved your conclusion, and not the argument for your conclusion, right? What you've written below suggests that I have proven that the Bible was right based upon your line of reasoning. And that's something I haven't done. The Bible may be right insofar that it shares the same conclusion: Salvador Dali is not a prophet. But that doesn't mean that it's premises that lead to this conclusion are correct. Is that clear?

For petes sake, didn't I just say that?

It has nothing to do with the colors of the clock. It has everything to do with you proving that Dali wasn't a prophet, thus proving what I was saying.

What I was saying is that Dali wasn't a prophet upon my reasoning. Your reasoning concluded the same thing, Dali wasn't a prophet. Your reasoning also supports my reasoning based on the Bible.

[Dangerrmouse]

Your dogmatic faith and homophobia coincidentally agreed with his reasoned logic.

[Craig]

For petes sake, didn't I just say that?

It's really not clear to me Sub_zer0. Since you don't take the time to elaborate your position at all, including what you've written below, it becomes unclear.

What I was saying is that Dali wasn't a prophet upon my reasoning. Your reasoning concluded the same thing, Dali wasn't a prophet. Your reasoning also supports my reasoning based on the Bible.

For example, what do you mean by "Your reasoning also supports my reasoning based upon the Bible?" Do you mean that my reasoning supports your conclusion? Then yes, I agree. Do you mean that my reasoning supports your conclusion and your premises? Then I completely disagree. There's a reason why my posts are longer: it's because I want to make sure my position or arguments are clear to the person in question.

I can tell you hammer out posts in less than 10 minutes often because they are either unclear or do not respond to the questions asked. Slow down. I'm trying to force myself to slow down and re-read your points, because I may misread them at times, but their vagueness means it's difficult to be sure exactly what you've wrote.