is catch-22 logical?

[whatever]

is there even such thing in the world?
i know heller kind of resolve that in at the end of the book, but we still use the term to explain many situations in life, and it seems to me you can turn almost every situation into a catch 22. what do you guy think?

[Dangerrmouse]

Religion. If you prove a god exists then it is an idol.

[sub_zer0]

Religion. If you prove a god exists then it is an idol.

:confused:

[mataj]

Religion. If you prove a god exists then it is an idol. :thumbsup: Good one :clap:

[nogoodname90]

What is a catch-22

[towski]

What is a catch-22

For example:

We can't hire you because you don't have any experience. (catch-22: how do you get experience if noone will hire you?)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catch-22_%28logic%29

Catch 22 has become a term, inspired by Joseph Heller's novel Catch-22, describing a general situation in which A must have been preceded by B, and B must have been preceded by A. Symbolically, (~B => ~A) & (~A => ~B) where either A or B must come into being first. A familiar example of this circumstance occurs in the context of job searching. In moving from school to a career, one may encounter a Catch 22 where one cannot get a job without experience, but one cannot gain experience without a job.

Note that this common use of the term represents a slightly different problem from the prime example in the novel. The prototypical Catch 22 considers the case of a U.S. Army Air Force bombardier who wishes to be excused from combat flight duty. In order to be excused from such duty, he must submit an official medical diagnosis from his squadron's flight surgeon, demonstrating that he is unfit because he is insane. However, according to Army regulations, any sane person would naturally not want to fly combat missions because they are so dangerous. By requesting permission not to fly combat missions, on the grounds of insanity, the bombardier demonstrates that he is in fact sane and therefore is fit to fly.

Conversely, any flyer who wished to fly on combat runs implicitly demonstrated that he was insane and was unfit to fly and ought to be excused. Naturally, such flyers never submitted such requests. Of course, if they did, the "catch" would assert itself, short-circuiting any such attempt to escape from combat duty.

[nogoodname90]

Well that is a good theory and i think it is logical

[whatever]

so it would seems. but let say in the real world, if you don't want to fly and is so scared of flying and dying, no one can force you to do it. and he didn't in the end.

the job case >> if it's so how can anyone get a job in the real world?

religion >> doesn't make a damn bit of different to someone who have faith, and people who have are the only ones who believe anyway (maybe this is a catch 22 as well)

i see a lot of it in politics too >> saddam wanting WMD to insure himself against an attack, but getting attacked because people think he had WMD, but if people didn't think he had it, he would be taken out even faster.

if you think about it hard enough, most things can turn into a catch 22 situations.
but is it even logical?

[Dangerrmouse]

so it would seems. but let say in the real world, if you don't want to fly and is so scared of flying and dying, no one can force you to do it. and he didn't in the end.

the job case >> if it's so how can anyone get a job in the real world?

religion >> doesn't make a damn bit of different to someone who have faith, and people who have are the only ones who believe anyway (maybe this is a catch 22 as well)

i see a lot of it in politics too >> saddam wanting WMD to insure himself against an attack, but getting attacked because people think he had WMD, but if people didn't think he had it, he would be taken out even faster.

if you think about it hard enough, most things can turn into a catch 22 situations. but is it even logical?

In war they can make you do it, because if you are fit and refuse an order, they shoot you.

You got it with religion. Faith is a vital component of it, and "proving" there is a God removes the need for faith, destroying what it seeks to promote.

[whatever]

In war they can make you do it, because if you are fit and refuse an order, they shoot you.

You got it with religion. Faith is a vital component of it, and "proving" there is a God removes the need for faith, destroying what it seeks to promote.

yep, but he deserted. and that's the point >> if you want to, you can break the circle that you're stuck in, so actually catch 22 is just an illusion, except it is not or how can we use to describe so many situations?