Absurdities in Matthew

[DRMIZER]

The gospel of Matthew begins with a boring genealogy like that we are told to avoid in 1 Tim.1:4 ("Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies") and Titus.3:9 ("Avoid foolish questions and genealogies"). 1:1-17

Judah "went in unto" his daughter-in-law, Tamar, who was disguised as a prostitute. She conceived and bore Pharez, an ancestor of Jesus. (Gen.38:2-29) 1:3

There are 29 generations listed from David to Jesus in Matthew's genealogy, while Luke's (3:23-31) has 43. Except for David at one end and Jesus at the other, there are only three names in the two lists that are the same. 1:6-16

John has a good point in v.14. If Jesus is the sinless Son of God, then shouldn't Jesus be baptizing John instead of the reverse? Isn't baptism supposed to forgive sins and be a sign of repentance? If so, then why would Jesus need to be baptized? And what the heck is "it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness" supposed to mean? 3:14-15

The Son of God is led by the Spirit of God to be tempted by the devil. 4:1

Jesus forbids the taking of any kind of oath. Yet Christians in courtrooms throughout the United States place their right hand on the Bible swear to tell the truth. 5:34-37

"But if thine eye be evil...." There's nothing worse than an evil eye. 6:23

"Behold the fowls of the air...." Jesus says that God feeds them. But, if so, he does one hell of a lousy job at it. Most birds die before leaving the nest, and the few who manage to fly soon die painful deaths of starvation, predation, or disease. If God is caring for them, pray that he stays away from you. 6:26

Ask, and it shall be given you."
Mark Twain said there are "upwards of a thousand lies" in the Bible. But this is probably the biggest. How many desperate, frightened, broken-hearted parents have watched their children die while begging God to help? 7:7-8

The devils confess that Jesus is the Son of God. According to 1 Jn.4:15 ("Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God"), then, God dwells in the devils and the devils in God. 8:29

[Dangerrmouse]

You realise you must be looking at this in the wrong way, out of context, and in the wrong translation? Or it's all copyists errors.... :D :p ;) :rofl:

[Art of War]

Yes, obviously it all makes sense because God said it. There is nothing condradictory about it at all you are just looking at it in the wrong light because you are clearly to interpret parts of the bible as literal and others as not. Just wait Sub Zero will be here soon enough to tell you you're wrong because GODSAIDIT.

[sub_zer0]

There are 29 generations listed from David to Jesus in Matthew's genealogy, while Luke's (3:23-31) has 43. Except for David at one end and Jesus at the other, there are only three names in the two lists that are the same. 1:6-16

http://www.christian-thinktank.com/fabprof4.html

That should clear some things up for you...

John has a good point in v.14. If Jesus is the sinless Son of God, then shouldn't Jesus be baptizing John instead of the reverse? Isn't baptism supposed to forgive sins and be a sign of repentance? If so, then why would Jesus need to be baptized? And what the heck is "it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness" supposed to mean? 3:14-15

By Jesus being baptized, is to show that He is human indeed just like me and you. And Jesus did baptize His disciples.

Jesus forbids the taking of any kind of oath. Yet Christians in courtrooms throughout the United States place their right hand on the Bible swear to tell the truth. 5:34-37

That simply means oath-taking is unnecessary if the Christian is living how he should. Letting His "yes" be a "yes" and his "no" be "no". One need not swear by anaything if he is living a godly lifestyle.

"But if thine eye be evil...." There's nothing worse than an evil eye. 6:23

What that is speaking of is the ancient idea that the eyes were the windows through which light entered the body. The phrase "If... Thine eye be single" symbolized a single, fixed vision or goal. The phrase "If thine eye be evil" has to do with the deception of that goal.

"Behold the fowls of the air...." Jesus says that God feeds them. But, if so, he does one hell of a lousy job at it. Most birds die before leaving the nest, and the few who manage to fly soon die painful deaths of starvation, predation, or disease. If God is caring for them, pray that he stays away from you. 6:26

You are misunderstanding it. God does so through nature - He is not disconnected from the world.

Ask, and it shall be given you."
Mark Twain said there are "upwards of a thousand lies" in the Bible. But this is probably the biggest. How many desperate, frightened, broken-hearted parents have watched their children die while begging God to help? 7:7-8

God promises to answer all genuine prayer in verse 8. The three imperatives "Ask, seek, knock" are, in the original present tense, suggesting both perserverance and frequent prayer.

The devils confess that Jesus is the Son of God. According to 1 Jn.4:15 ("Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God"), then, God dwells in the devils and the devils in God. 8:29

There is no mention of; "evil", "satan", "devil" or "devils" in chapters 4 and 5 of John that I saw. Perhaps you could be more specific. That doesn't apply to Satan and fallen angels or demons. They had their chance to repent but they didn't. They are forever doomed - they are too lost to find their way back now.

[Dangerrmouse]

"If a prayer is answered, then it ceases to be prayer, and becomes mere conversation" Oscar Wilde probably put it more concisely.

[sub_zer0]

"If a prayer is answered, then it ceases to be prayer, and becomes mere conversation" Oscar Wilde probably put it more concisely.

No, it becomes an answered prayer.

[heel31ok]

http://www.christian-thinktank.com/fabprof4.html

That should clear some things up for you...



By Jesus being baptized, is to show that He is human indeed just like me and you. And Jesus did baptize His disciples.



That simply means oath-taking is unnecessary if the Christian is living how he should. Letting His "yes" be a "yes" and his "no" be "no". One need not swear by anaything if he is living a godly lifestyle.



What that is speaking of is the ancient idea that the eyes were the windows through which light entered the body. The phrase "If... Thine eye be single" symbolized a single, fixed vision or goal. The phrase "If thine eye be evil" has to do with the deception of that goal.



You are misunderstanding it. God does so through nature - He is not disconnected from the world.



God promises to answer all genuine prayer in verse 8. The three imperatives "Ask, seek, knock" are, in the original present tense, suggesting both perserverance and frequent prayer.



There is no mention of; "evil", "satan", "devil" or "devils" in chapters 4 and 5 of John that I saw. Perhaps you could be more specific. That doesn't apply to Satan and fallen angels or demons. They had their chance to repent but they didn't. They are forever doomed - they are too lost to find their way back now.


Nice,very nice! You go sub!

[heel31ok]

The gospel of Matthew begins with a boring genealogy like that we are told to avoid in 1 Tim.1:4 ("Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies") and Titus.3:9 ("Avoid foolish questions and genealogies"). 1:1-17

Judah "went in unto" his daughter-in-law, Tamar, who was disguised as a prostitute. She conceived and bore Pharez, an ancestor of Jesus. (Gen.38:2-29) 1:3

There are 29 generations listed from David to Jesus in Matthew's genealogy, while Luke's (3:23-31) has 43. Except for David at one end and Jesus at the other, there are only three names in the two lists that are the same. 1:6-16

John has a good point in v.14. If Jesus is the sinless Son of God, then shouldn't Jesus be baptizing John instead of the reverse? Isn't baptism supposed to forgive sins and be a sign of repentance? If so, then why would Jesus need to be baptized? And what the heck is "it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness" supposed to mean? 3:14-15

The Son of God is led by the Spirit of God to be tempted by the devil. 4:1

Jesus forbids the taking of any kind of oath. Yet Christians in courtrooms throughout the United States place their right hand on the Bible swear to tell the truth. 5:34-37

"But if thine eye be evil...." There's nothing worse than an evil eye. 6:23

"Behold the fowls of the air...." Jesus says that God feeds them. But, if so, he does one hell of a lousy job at it. Most birds die before leaving the nest, and the few who manage to fly soon die painful deaths of starvation, predation, or disease. If God is caring for them, pray that he stays away from you. 6:26

Ask, and it shall be given you."
Mark Twain said there are "upwards of a thousand lies" in the Bible. But this is probably the biggest. How many desperate, frightened, broken-hearted parents have watched their children die while begging God to help? 7:7-8

The devils confess that Jesus is the Son of God. According to 1 Jn.4:15 ("Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God"), then, God dwells in the devils and the devils in God. 8:29



i just do not understand how you can have the education you say you have in the scriptures and still purposely twist and try to deceive.It may be the strength you feel in numbers onthis board. Or it could that education in the scriptures was all you got out it and was purely on that level?
I will give you this you are very good at what you do.

[sub_zer0]

Nice,very nice! You go sub!

Right on brother!

[DRMIZER]

i just do not understand how you can have the education you say you have in the scriptures and still purposely twist and try to deceive.It may be the strength you feel in numbers onthis board. Or it could that education in the scriptures was all you got out it and was purely on that level?
I will give you this you are very good at what you do.

Thank you for the "compliment". However, I do not "twist and try to deceive." I THINK as well as understand the context with which books of the bible were written, transcribed or told.

But then, let's continue. . . .

Families will be torn apart because of Jesus (this is one of the few "prophecies" in the Bible that has actually come true). "Brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death." 10:21

"Whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven." According to the gospels (Mt.26:69-75, Mk.14:66-72, Lk.22:55-62, Jn.15:18-27), Peter denied Jesus three times before men. Therefore Jesus must have denied Peter before God. 10:33

John the Baptist is still not sure about Jesus (he's in prison and is soon to die). He sends his disciples to ask, "Art thou he that should come, or do we look for another?" Well, if he isn't sure after seeing and hearing the events at Jesus' baptism, then how can anyone else be? 11:3

Jesus believed in the literal truth of the fish story in Jonah. 12:40

Jesus predicts that he will be "in the heart of the earth" for three days and three nights. If by this he meant that he would be in the tomb for three days and three nights, then either he was mistaken or the gospels are in error. Because according to the gospels (this is one of the few things they all seem to agree on), Jesus was in the tomb for only one day and two nights. 12:40

When an unclean spirit (whatever that may be) leaves a person's body, he goes out to find another. Not finding any, he comes back with seven other spirits more wicked than himself and repossesses the person. 12:43-45 OUCH!

Herod thought Jesus was a resurrected John the Baptist. Apparently, it was a common opinion at the time (See Mt.16.13-14, Mk.6:14-15, 8:27-28, Lk.9:7-8, 18-19). If so many of Jesus' contemporaries could be so easily fooled regarding John the Baptist, what does this do to the credibility of Jesus' resurrection? 14:1-2

The disciples wonder where they will get the bread to feed four thousand. But they should know by now, since Jesus just did the same trick in 14:14-21. These stories are probably the result of two oral versions of the same fictitious story. 15:33

Opinions were divided regarding the identity of Jesus, but many thought that he was the risen John the Baptist. The fact that people could be so easily fooled regarding the Baptist's "resurrection" casts doubt on the resurrection of Jesus. 16:14

When Peter expressed his dismay when Jesus announced his coming death, Jesus said to him "Get thee behind me, Satan" -- a fine way to address his holiness, the first pope! 16:23

Jesus says that Elijah, whom he believes is John the Baptist, will come and "restore all things." But what things did John the Baptist restore? 17:11

If your faith is great enough, you can move mountains around. 17:20 HUH?

Jesus tells Peter to pay his taxes with a coin that he'll find in the mouth of the first fish that he catches from the sea. 17:27

"There be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it." Dangerous words from a guy who recommends cutting of body parts if they cause you to sin (Mt.5:29-30, Mt.18:8-9, Mk.9:43-48). It might make someone castrate himself so that he could be one of the 144,000 male virgins, who alone will make it to heaven (Rev.14:3-4). 19:12

Jesus lists the "ten commandments," but his list has only six, and the sixth is not one of the ten. The commandments given by Jesus are secular, not religious, in nature. 19:18

Rich people don't go to heaven. For as Jesus says, "It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. 19:23

Jesus tells his apostles, "ye shall sit upon the twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel." I wonder which tribe Judas is judging? 19:28

Matthew has Jesus ride into Jerusalem sitting on both an *** and a colt (must have taken some practice!). 21:2-7

Jesus curses a fig tree and the tree dies immediately (showing the world how much God Hates Figs). But in Mark's gospel (11:14, 20-21) the cursed fig tree doesn't die until the next morning. 21:19-20

"Let them which be in Judea flee into the mountains." Why? Can't God find and kill them there, too? 24:16

Jesus says there will be "false Christs" that will "show great signs and wonders." Well, Jesus himself according to Acts 2:22 fits this description. 24:24

The phrase "unto this day" shows that the gospel of Matthew was written long after the events it describes. 27:8, 28:15

Even some of Jesus' apostles doubted that the allegedly risen Christ was really Jesus. Well if they weren't sure, how could we ever be? 28:17

[sub_zer0]

Even some of Jesus' apostles doubted that the allegedly risen Christ was really Jesus. Well if they weren't sure, how could we ever be? 28:17

The point is Jesus was Christ. The disciples were under INCREDIBLE pressures back then because of following Christ. The devil was there tempting the disciples drastically! It is no suprise that the doubt of the Messiah was to enter into their heads. But Christ was - they knew it in their heart - I know it in my heart - the Messiah predicted in so many prophecies from the Old Testament prophets.

[JoeR]

Rich people don't go to heaven. For as Jesus says, "It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. 19:23


Isn't the next line "But through God, all things are possible."?

[sub_zer0]

Rich people don't go to heaven. For as Jesus says, "It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. 19:23


Isn't the next line "But through God, all things are possible."?

That doesn't mean rich people don't get to go to heaven. It means that rich people with money - which the Bible says is the root of all evil - have immense pressures with a lot of money. The money almost dares them to not be faithful to God.

And if the next line is what you say it is... it makes perfect sense. If you have faith in God or "through God" then "all things are possible" or a rich person can go to heaven if they stay faithful to God.

[JoeR]

I know thats what it means, I was merely quoting him. I was actually correcting him. I'm not a believer, but when you take things out of context THAT much there is a problem.

[DRMIZER]

Rich people don't go to heaven. For as Jesus says, "It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. 19:23


Isn't the next line "But through God, all things are possible."?No, don't think that's the next line. Wouldn't that negate this statement if it was?

[DRMIZER]

The point is Jesus was Christ. The disciples were under INCREDIBLE pressures back then because of following Christ. The devil was there tempting the disciples drastically! It is no suprise that the doubt of the Messiah was to enter into their heads. But Christ was - they knew it in their heart - I know it in my heart - the Messiah predicted in so many prophecies from the Old Testament prophets.You should be an apologist for religion. You can bring things into focus for you, regardless of how much imaGINATION it takes.

[JoeR]

No, don't think that's the next line. Wouldn't that negate this statement if it was?

No. The whole point of the quote in whole would be to show how hard it is for the wealthy to enter heaven, then counter that with saying that it would still be possible if they have faith.

There are problems with the bible, but that quote isn't one of them. I'm geussing some of the other ones you posted fall under the same category.

[DRMIZER]

No. The whole point of the quote in whole would be to show how hard it is for the wealthy to enter heaven, then counter that with saying that it would still be possible if they have faith.

There are problems with the bible, but that quote isn't one of them. I'm geussing some of the other ones you posted fall under the same category.I stand with my statements because one can read into the writing rather than taking it at face value. Whatever you chose to do is fine with me. The scripture stands the way it was writen. We can't posibly, 2000 years later begin to insert text or interprete text the way we see it. That's why we have tons of different churches out here. . . . . .What makes sense to one is laughable to another.

[sub_zer0]

I stand with my statements because one can read into the writing rather than taking it at face value. Whatever you chose to do is fine with me. The scripture stands the way it was writen. We can't posibly, 2000 years later begin to insert text or interprete text the way we see it. That's why we have tons of different churches out here. . . . . .What makes sense to one is laughable to another.

It stands as it is written, but you are not seeing it properly.

[Dangerrmouse]

It stands as it is written, but you are not seeing it properly.

Check out post two! It's official! I claim prophet status!

[sub_zer0]

Check out post two! It's official! I claim prophet status!

No. you realized your own mistake.

[Dangerrmouse]

Which was?

[sub_zer0]

Which was?

What do you think your mistake is when reading the Bible, you said it yourself...

You realise you must be looking at this in the wrong way, out of context, and in the wrong translation? Or it's all copyists errors....

Contradictions, discrepencies, etc... are the result of just those things in most cases.

[Dangerrmouse]

The fact remains that I foretold the coming of an inteligunt desiner who would express such opinions in all sincerity. Bingo!

Sadly I shall have to forgo the title, as atheism is a non-prophet activity.

[heel31ok]

I stand with my statements because one can read into the writing rather than taking it at face value. Whatever you chose to do is fine with me. The scripture stands the way it was writen. We can't posibly, 2000 years later begin to insert text or interprete text the way we see it. That's why we have tons of different churches out here. . . . . .What makes sense to one is laughable to another.
I do not see how you expect to take it at face value when you do not even know what it actually says.JoeR did not read into it he just read it.Yes it stands the way it was written. Maybe you need to read it again.

[heel31ok]

Which was?
Which was, you have about as much idea what it says as mizer does.

[DRMIZER]

I do not see how you expect to take it at face value when you do not even know what it actually says.JoeR did not read into it he just read it.Yes it stands the way it was written. Maybe you need to read it again.Thanks. I thought I knew what it said. :lol: :lol:

[heel31ok]

Thanks. I thought I knew what it said. :lol: :lol:
Thought wrong but that's what we get for your thinking.

[Dangerrmouse]

Which was, you have about as much idea what it says as mizer does.

About what? He proposed 32 inconsistencies. He was corrected on the content of one of those, which I did not comment on. What are you talking about? Any of the other 31?

[heel31ok]

About what? He proposed 32 inconsistencies. He was corrected on the content of one of those, which I did not comment on. What are you talking about? Any of the other 31?
Yeah, switch it to the others. I was commenting on one because that was the subject at the time. The fact is Mizer is wrong and this one is enough to show how he twists what things say or outright leaves them out. We can go on to any of the other points and find the same pattern of deceit .your comment specifically was about your "prophetic" utterance. The ploy there was to throw out the accusations from yourself before one in opposition does thus claimng correctness by beating them to the punch. Somehow you feel that doing this validates your opposition to their argument when in fact it shows your ignorance of the actual subject matter.

[Dangerrmouse]

Or their woeful predictability!

Here's another at random...rationalise this.

Mat 19:28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Who does Judas Iscariot judge?

[sub_zer0]

Or their woeful predictability!

Here's another at random...rationalise this.

Mat 19:28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Who does Judas Iscariot judge?

It is not talking about Judas - he was not saved and will not inherit the kingdom of God. He is not even mentioned in that chapter.

The passage, when understood properly, refers to the renewed world of the future, the kingdom of God. The new heaven and a new earth which apostles will judge Israel. There is that pattern again heel31ok.

[Dangerrmouse]

How many apostles were there? Twelve, including Judas. How many thrones? Twelve. Simple math.

[DRMIZER]

The fact is Mizer is wrong and this one is enough to show how he twists what things say or outright leaves them out. Sounds like you're a bit ramped up over this subject. I was unaware that I took anything that wasn't written in the good book so I'm not sure how I twist things. Please, share more about the other points I made.