Alleged Muslim terrorists gun down 6 Christians, infant, teen among dead

[GI Joe]

At least six Christians have been gunned down at their homes by alleged Muslim terrorists in the Philippines, reports the Voice of the Martyrs, a leading monitor of Christian persecution.

According to the report, at least five terrorists believed to be linked to al-Qaida murdered six or more Christians by gunfire after asking them if they believed in Christ on the front doorsteps of their homes.


http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48916

[towski]

Weird, Joe. I searched google news, bbc and reuters and could find nothing on this.

[BugMan]

This is NOT an isolated case, nor is it at all unusual. Muslims persecuting, torturing and murdering non-Muslims is very common.

It is very interesting to me that NONE of this stuff ever gets reported in the Mainstream Media.

[serenity]

This is NOT an isolated case, nor is it at all unusual. Muslims persecuting, torturing and murdering non-Muslims is very common.

It is very interesting to me that NONE of this stuff ever gets reported in the Mainstream Media.

Got any links to this common occurence, wilfully ignored by the MM (predumably in order to undermine the West, for some reason left unstated and in fact unexamined).

[GI Joe]

Here are some others

http://www.zenit.org/english/visualizza.phtml?sid=83980


http://www.asianews.it/view.php?l=en&art=5288


http://www.rosenblog.com/2006/02/05/muslim_extremists_kill_four_chrisitans_and_baby_in _philippines.html

[BugMan]

Got any links to this common occurence, wilfully ignored by the MM (predumably in order to undermine the West, for some reason left unstated and in fact unexamined).
GI Joe responded first.

Thanks.

[::Major_Baker::]

eek~!

snip....

at least six Muslims were beaten to death by Christian mobs which also burned two mosques there.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/africa/02/21/nigeria.religion.ap/index.html

disclaimer, not all christians kill people.

[towski]

GI Joe responded first.

Thanks.

All Joe's links were to the same incident. Does anyone have multiple to links to others? I'm genuinely curious as to how common an occurence this is...

[Riddley]

All Joe's links were to the same incident. Does anyone have multiple to links to others? I'm genuinely curious as to how common an occurence this is...
Here (http://www.atimes.com/se-asia/BF10Ae01.html) is the Asia Times rundown of the problems.

[Confucius]

dam, what absolute bastards.

[BugMan]

All Joe's links were to the same incident. Does anyone have multiple to links to others? I'm genuinely curious as to how common an occurence this is...
Go to Voice of the Martyrs.

[Dangerrmouse]

No to put words in his mouth, but Towski probably meant credible source.

[BugMan]

No to put words in his mouth, but Towski probably meant credible source.
Voice of the Martyrs is actually pretty credible.

The fact that people were killed is not the debate. About the only thing you can debate is whether or not they were killed for religious reasons.


...but thanks for playing anyway. :rolleyes:

[serenity]

Originally Posted by serenity
Got any links to this common occurence, wilfully ignored by the MM (predumably in order to undermine the West, for some reason left unstated and in fact unexamined).


GI Joe responded first.

Thanks.

No he didn't. He was responding to someone else, to show links to the same story (not a criticism of him, he was asked to do so by somebody else).

I asked for all these myriad stories, that you claim is so common.

Voice of the Martys wants registration...it would be easier if you simply showed some examples (that prove how common these things are), since you made the claim.

Thanks.

[BugMan]

No he didn't. He was responding to someone else, to show links to the same story (not a criticism of him, he was asked to do so by somebody else).

I asked for all these myriad stories, that you claim is so common.

Voice of the Martys wants registration...it would be easier if you simply showed some examples (that prove how common these things are), since you made the claim.

Thanks.
Then just register at Voice of the Martyrs. It's free.

I'm not saying you need to believe everything they're writing - or that all the deaths they report are because of religion.

But I gave you the information you asked for.

[serenity]

So...you can't prove how common such instances are?

[GI Joe]

So...you can't prove how common such instances are?


Go here and use the analytical tools


http://www.tkb.org/Home.jsp

[GI Joe]

Here are religious terrorist groups and incidents. As you see almost all are islamic

http://www.tkb.org/IncidentClassModule.jsp?classId=1&pagemode=group&startDate=01/01/1968&endDate=02/22/2006&domInt=0#

[towski]

Here are religious terrorist groups and incidents. As you see almost all are islamic

http://www.tkb.org/IncidentClassModule.jsp?classId=1&pagemode=group&startDate=01/01/1968&endDate=02/22/2006&domInt=0#

But the point that was being discussed, I believe, was Bugman's assertion that Islamic murders of Christian's was a "common occurence", no?

[GI Joe]

Here are all terror groups and as you can see the vast majority are Islamic or leftist


http://www.tkb.org/IncidentGroupModule.jsp

[serenity]

Go here and use the analytical tools


My tool is not analytical, it is single-mindedly in pursuit of the ladies.

[GI Joe]

But the point that was being discussed, I believe, was Bugman's assertion that Islamic murders of Christian's was a "common occurence", no?


You can look up the incedents in the database

[GI Joe]

My tool is not analytical, it is single-mindedly in pursuit of the ladies.


I can agree to that :D My little head is the boss also

[GI Joe]

Here are other respected sites to research terrorism

http://jtic.janes.com/public/jtic/index.shtml

http://www.terrorism.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=About&file=index

http://www.ict.org.il/

http://www.pvtr.org/

[BugMan]

But the point that was being discussed, I believe, was Bugman's assertion that Islamic murders of Christian's was a "common occurence", no?
You're really hung up on that, aren't you? :rolleyes:

Here's a website you might want to take with a grain of salt - but it does bear looking at.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

[towski]

You're really hung up on that, aren't you? :rolleyes:

Here's a website you might want to take with a grain of salt - but it does bear looking at.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

Well, gosh, I guess I am. :lol: Of course, if you're going to run around making statements like this, I'd reccomend backing them up. That way, people won't get all hung up on them.

[faithfulservant]

All Joe's links were to the same incident. Does anyone have multiple to links to others? I'm genuinely curious as to how common an occurence this is...
Here's (http://www.ou.org/NCSY/projects/5764/tali_hatuel.htm) one that will turn your stomach.

This (http://www.adl.org/Israel/israel_attacks.asp) is from the ADL.

[Duo_Maxwell]

Gi, what's your point here? So a bunch of extremists muslims commit horrible acts.

It's not like your religion is free from such people as well. The tactic of demonizing your own enemy while ignoring the similar historical problems within your religion is puerile in nature and is nothing more then a inflammatory gesture meant to avoid honest discussion.

So you hate muslims, that's pretty obvious everyone here, and that is your choice, you should be free to hate them. But you become what you hate.

[nonsqtr]

Gee, does anyone remember Bosnia? Kosovo? Do names like Milosevic, Ratko Mladic, and Radovan Karadic ring a bell?

[serenity]

And there have been terrible Hindu slaughters of the Muslim minority in India.

The only reason to focus specifically on the crimes of Muslims is a political one, to support the as-yet unstated war on Islam.

People might want to take a moment to strongly and honestly consider WHY they would want such a ridiculous and inherently bloody, never-ending type of conflict.

(That so many Christians like the idea is most baffling, or most logical...depending on how you look at it.)

[Tokyoman]

Weird, Joe. I searched google news, bbc and reuters and could find nothing on this.

Here you go:

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/MAN332582.htm

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=worldNews&storyID=2006-02-03T062541Z_01_MAN332582_RTRUKOC_0_US-PHILIPPINES-SHOOTING.xml&archived=False

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060203/wl_nm/philippines_shooting_dc

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/6A80DB95-1E10-42BD-A70D-6965B5B804E4.htm

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,18026722%255E1702,00.html

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp_asiapacific/view/191440/1/.html

[towski]

Here you go:

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/MAN332582.htm

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=worldNews&storyID=2006-02-03T062541Z_01_MAN332582_RTRUKOC_0_US-PHILIPPINES-SHOOTING.xml&archived=False

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060203/wl_nm/philippines_shooting_dc

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/6A80DB95-1E10-42BD-A70D-6965B5B804E4.htm

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,18026722%255E1702,00.html

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp_asiapacific/view/191440/1/.html

Yeah, I got it, thanks. The 2 previous pages of people providing links was sufficient. ;)

[Tokyoman]

No problem. The Internet is a wonderful thing, is it not? Though why you couldn't find those links yourself via Google beats me.

[nogoodname90]

This is NOT an isolated case, nor is it at all unusual. Muslims persecuting, torturing and murdering non-Muslims is very common.

It is very interesting to me that NONE of this stuff ever gets reported in the Mainstream Media.
And Chirstians murdering and torturing non-Chiristisnt is very common to

[nogoodname90]

Well you act like all muslims do this Christians have done it to. All thru imperiliasm they burned books, killed non christians, were extremly racist, burned villiages of people who wouldnt go christian, and more.

[BugMan]

Well you act like all muslims do this Christians have done it to. All thru imperiliasm they burned books, killed non christians, were extremly racist, burned villiages of people who wouldnt go christian, and more.
A link - or some other sort of evidence - would be good...

[faithfulservant]

A link - or some other sort of evidence - would be good...
His post wasn't based on facts, it was based on hatred of Christians. You see, if you can't measure up to a standard of behavior, then you try to tear down the standard to a level low enough that you can measure up to it. It's why you see so much tearing down of people and organizations that hold high standards.


This will probably get me a warning or at least a mod edit....

[BugMan]

His post wasn't based on facts, it was based on hatred of Christians. You see, if you can't measure up to a standard of behavior, then you try to tear down the standard to a level low enough that you can measure up to it. It's why you see so much tearing down of people and organizations that hold high standards.


This will probably get me a warning or at least a mod edit....
I'm sure he'll come back with one of three things:
1. The Crusades
2. The Spanish Inquisition
3. Bombing of abortion clinics.


...rather predictable.

[nogoodname90]

A link - or some other sort of evidence - would be good...
ever look thru a history book thru the crusades, imperlism in europe, burning myian books stealing books, killing natives in imperlist colonies

i gusse they didnt count if you had basic history class you should know this all

[nogoodname90]

I'm sure he'll come back with one of three things:
1. The Crusades
2. The Spanish Inquisition
3. Bombing of abortion clinics.


...rather predictable.
ya cause those didnt have to do anything with christianty? :flowers:

[nogoodname90]

His post wasn't based on facts, it was based on hatred of Christians. You see, if you can't measure up to a standard of behavior, then you try to tear down the standard to a level low enough that you can measure up to it. It's why you see so much tearing down of people and organizations that hold high standards.


This will probably get me a warning or at least a mod edit....
wow you dont see me going around killing chiristians do you i dont hate them im just saying what has happened so why dont you look at the facts i stated

[nogoodname90]

If you cant find any facts or dont know about imperlism ill have to find some but we were reading it all through history class and it showed how Europe countries would go to non Christian countries and convert them, kill them or do many other things ill have to find a site thu

p.s sorry we cant debate bug man aims tommorow must sleep ill try u tommorow thu ;D

[BugMan]

ya cause those didnt have to do anything with christianty? :flowers:
First of all, The Crusades were actually a DIRECT result of decades of Muslim aggression and war. They were ill-thought out, no doubt. But it isn't as though some Christians decided to go slaughter some people. The Crusades were - in part - a REACTION. Pope Urban II called upon a populace that was "desperate" and ready for something like this, and he got them fired up enough to go on the rampage.

Second, the Spanish Inquisition was actually as short-lived as it was short-sighted. It was almost an extension, or continuation, of the insane "mental/emotional/spiritual climate" that was created by the Crusades.

Third, the bombing of abortion clinics... How many have there been in American? 3 total? And even those have been loudly condemned by virtually EVERY Christian organization I've ever heard say a word about them.


Now... The Crusades began OVER 900 years ago. The Spanish Inquisition was about 700 years ago. No right-minded Christian will say that they were a good thing, or even justifiable.

On the other hand, Muslim atrocities and slaughter continue - on a daily basis - and in large numbers, TO THIS DAY. And they are almost always explained away by some Muslim apologists.


I say we're talking apples and oranges. Two completely different entities, when you try to compare Christian violence and Muslim violence.

[RageKage]

Now... The Crusades began OVER 900 years ago. The Spanish Inquisition was about 700 years ago. No right-minded Christian will say that they were a good thing, or even justifiable.

On the other hand, Muslim atrocities and slaughter continue - on a daily basis - and in large numbers, TO THIS DAY. And they are almost always explained away by some Muslim apologists.


I say we're talking apples and oranges. Two completely different entities, when you try to compare Christian violence and Muslim violence.

What about all the Christian violence against Muslims in the former Yugoslavia? Or how about the Christian militias in Lebanon during the civil war?

[BugMan]

What about all the Christian violence against Muslims in the former Yugoslavia? Or how about the Christian militias in Lebanon during the civil war?
Yugoslavia? That's fascism & ultra-nationalism - not Christianity.
Lebanon? Is this what you're referring to? Lebanon Christians Attacked, Church Stoned, By Angry Muslims
Added: Feb 6th, 2006 3:58 AM

By Stefan J. Bos, Chief International Correspondent BosNewsLife

BEIRUT, LEBANON (BosNewsLife) -- Lebanon's Interior Minister resigned late Sunday, February 5, after an estimated 20,000 angry Muslims not only torched the Danish Embassy but also attacked the Christian community in the capital Beirut over published cartoons depicting the Prophet Mohammad.

Hassan al-Sabaa, a Sunni Muslim retired officer loyal to the country's anti-Syrian majority coalition, submitted his resignation at a late night government session to discuss the anti-Christian violence, in which one person was killed and dozens others were injured.

One demonstrator, among those who set the embassy on fire, was encircled by flames and died after jumping from the third floor, Reuters news agency quoted a senior security official as saying. 28 other demonstrators were reportedly injured in clashes with riot police.

Reporters said protesters attacked three fire engines at the embassy to stop them from extinguishing the blaze and hung up a banner at the building's entrance reading: "We are ready to sacrifice our children for you, O Prophet Mohammad."

ISLAMIC FLAGS

Waving green Islamic flags and chanting "God is greatest," they also threw stones at the Maronite Catholic church as violent protests spread towards Christian areas in eastern Beirut late Sunday, February 5. In addition the protestors attacked properties and shops in the district, the Christian area of Ashrafiyeh, throwing stones, breaking windows and overturning cars, eyewitnesses said.

Some were seen carrying banners that read "Whoever insults Prophet Mohammad is to be killed" while throwing stones at security forces, who fired teargas and used water cannon to disperse the crowd. Security forces reportedly arrested 174 protesters: 76 Syrians; 38 Lebanese; 35 Palestinians and 25 stateless Bedouins.

The attacks came as Lebanon's Christians were already on edge amid reports that the name of Lebanon's Christian Maronite Patriarch, Butros Nasrallah Sfeir appeared on a hit-list uncovered by a United Nations commission probing the assassination of former Lebanese premier Rafik Hariri, BosNewsLife monitored.

Speaking on condition of anonymity the source told Italy's Adnkronos International (AKI) news agency last month that publisher Gibran Tueni killed in a December 12 bomb blast in Beirut also appeared on the the list which was submitted by the former head of the UN panel, Detlev Mehlis to the Lebanese authorities.

HARIRI OUTRAGED

Parliamentarian Saad Hariri, the son of assassinated former Premier Rafik Hariri, condemned the violence and threats against Lebanese Christians. "The attacks against especially the Christian community are unacceptable," he told reporters Sunday, February 5. "Every person who threw a stone will be prosecuted," he said.

There were fears that Sunday's Muslim demonstrations would provoke an angry Christian outcry in a country that has not fully recovered from its 1975-1990 civil war. Some turbaned clerics reportedly pleaded with demonstrators to stop the violence, as red and white flag of Denmark was set alight.

"This is the fate of all those who turn against Islam and our prophet. They will be burned by the fires of hell," some demonstrators were heard saying. Many of them turned out in response to a call by a group called the "National Movement for the Defense of the Prophet Mohammed," news reports said.

DANISH NATIONALS

The Danish government called on its nationals to leave Lebanon and neighboring Syria where Muslim demonstrators earlier torched the Norwegian Embassy in Damascus and the building housing Denmark's embassy. Denmark also urged its citizens in these countries to stay "indoors until the travel possibilities have been clarified." Government officials said Muslims should understand they had no control over what newspapers write, as this would be in violation of the freedom of speech.

"The Danish government urges all leaders, political and religious, in the countries concerned to call on their populations to remain calm and refrain from violence," Denmark's Foreign Minister Per Stig Moeller said after the latest attacks.

Denmark is the focus for Muslim rage as images that Muslims find offensive, including one of the Prophet with a turban resembling a bomb, first appeared in a Danish daily in what has become a face-off between press freedom and religious respect. European publications, including BosNewsLife News Agency, re-published some of the cartoons this week citing freedom of press and "the right of all people to make an informed judgment on issues in the news."

SAUDI AMBASSADOR

Saudi Arabia's Ambassador to the United States, Prince Turki al-Faisal, urged the Western world to show restraint and said the cartoons were unacceptable. Asked on Cable News Network (CNN)'s Late Edition program why his government allows Anti-Semitic cartoons in newspapers, he said that "this had to do with the specific situation in the region."

Thousands of angry Muslims also protested in other cities this weekend, including Islamabad, Pakistan, Baghdad, Iraq; Khartoum, Sudan; Jakarta, Indonesia; and the Palestinian territories. Iraq's Transportation Ministry said it will cut all ties with Denmark. (With BosNewsLife Research, BosNewsLife News Center and reports from Lebanon and the region).

Copyright 2006 BosNewsLife. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed without our prior written consent.

[lord tammerlain]

Yugoslavia? That's fascism & ultra-nationalism - not Christianity.
Lebanon? Is this what you're referring to?


Lebanon's civil wars took place during the 50-80's basically off and on,

Some of its Maronite Christian population formed a fascist group that commited many acts of extreme brutality at one time entering a refugee camp and slaughtering Palestinian women and childern.

[nogoodname90]

What about Chiristians in Nigera killing Muslims

[::Major_Baker::]

What about Chiristians in Nigera killing Muslims
shhh, they aren;t real christians....

[BugMan]

What about Chiristians in Nigera killing Muslims
First of all, it was wrong.

However... if you read the articles, you'll find that the Christian's in Nigeria were actually fighting back against what the Muslims had been doing.

Again, not excusing it. But it isn't as though a bunch of guys sat around at a church service, asking each other who they'd like to go out and kill that night.