Chávez: 'George W Bush, you are a donkey'

[GI Joe]

Bush needs to sign an executive order to let the CIA terminate Chevez's Presidency


Chavez blasts Bush as 'donkey' and 'drunkard'
20 March 2006

CARACAS: Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez has lobbed a litany of insults at US President George W Bush ranging from "donkey" to "drunkard" in response to a White House report branding the left-wing leader a demagogue.

Chavez is one of Bush's fiercest critics and has repeatedly accused the US government of seeking to oust him from the presidency of Venezuela, the world's No. 5 oil exporter and a supplier of around 15 percent of US crude imports.

"You are a donkey, Mr Bush," said Chavez, speaking in English on his weekly Sunday broadcast.

"You're an alcoholic Mr Danger, or rather, you're a drunkard," Chavez said, referring to Bush by a nickname he frequently uses to describe the US president.

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http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3610316a12,00.html

[The_Comedian]

Linking Bush to the Democrats is certainly too much, shame on you, Hugo. :D



Bush needs to sign an executive order to let the CIA terminate Chevez's Presidency
Wow.
You demand that a democratically elected President should be killed (or what is your idea of "terminating his Presidency").

No wonder no one in the world takes the US seriously when it speaks of 'freedom' or 'democracy'...... :rolleyes:

[GI Joe]

Linking Bush to the Democrats is certainly too much, shame on you, Hugo. :D




Wow.
You demand that a democratically elected President should be killed (or what is your idea of "terminating his Presidency").

No wonder no one in the world takes the US seriously when it speaks of 'freedom' or 'democracy'...... :rolleyes:


Arrested by the US and sent to Gitmo.

BTW Hitler was elected too we would have been better off taking him out

[The_Comedian]

Arrested by the US and sent to Gitmo.

BTW Hitler was elected too we would have been better off taking him out
1. To Gitmo? So you wouldn't have to care about any charge?

2. To compare these two elections is stupid as there is no comparison.


Honestly, your posts on this subject are funny at best but at worst appears as if you had difficulties with the concept of democracy.

[GI Joe]

1. To Gitmo? So you wouldn't have to care about any charge?

2. To compare these two elections is stupid as there is no comparison.


Honestly, your posts on this subject are funny at best but at worst appears as if you had difficulties with the concept of democracy.


He can rot there until we set up a military tribunal to prosecute him or we can let Columbia prosecute him for his crimes in supporting FARC.

[Daewoo]

I think that Chavez is still sore that the CIA backed and helped organize the coup against him.

We already removed him from power once. Millions marched in the streets and got him back.

[dittohead not!]

Question: Why does Chavez rant and rave and call Bush names?
Answer: Because it earns him popularity points with the people of Venezuela.

Bigger question: Why does ranting and raving and calling Bush names earn Chavez popularity points with the Venezuelan people?

Answer: ? Hmmm... I'll let you answer that one. It's too tough for me.

(hint: Would calling bush names earn the leaders of any other countries popularity points with their people? Hmmmm. I wonder. :thinking: )

[burntgorilla]

He can rot there until we set up a military tribunal to prosecute him or we can let Columbia prosecute him for his crimes in supporting FARC.

America would never support shady people or organisations, would it?

[lord tammerlain]

What ever happened to the old childhood adage

" Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me"

Are we not as strong as childern able to put aside little insults of being called a donkey behind us, as we ask childern to do?

[Turenne]

I think that Chavez is still sore that the CIA backed and helped organize the coup against him.

We already removed him from power once. Millions marched in the streets and got him back.

Unless you've seen something nobody else on this world has read,then no the US had zilt to do with the coup.

[lord tammerlain]

If zilt means helping to coordinate then yes you are correct, if zilt means having no knowledge, providing no assistance in the planning of then you are incorrect

[Turenne]

We've been here before.The US is guilty of not telling Chavez the possibility that there was going to be a coup.No more,no less.

[Daewoo]

Unless you've seen something nobody else on this world has read,then no the US had zilt to do with the coup.

Or you have just not been paying attention.

An amusing one from Bill Blum:

http://www.counterpunch.org/blum0414.html

From the new york times:

http://www.venezuelafoia.info/articulosa.html

Associated press:

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1203-09.htm

Labor notes (well footnoted or I would not include it):

http://www.labornotes.org/archives/2004/04/articles/e.html

More times:

http://www.venezuelafoia.info/articulosa2.html

Venezuela Analysis:

http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/articles.php?artno=1208

A bunch more article links:

http://www.venezuelafoia.info/articulos.html

Worth looking at (archive home of the times articles):

http://www.venezuelafoia.info/evaenglish.html

VenezuelaFOIA is a site where they have used foia requests to get huge numbers of documents regarding venezuela from our government.


I would say the only thing lacking in the proof would be a video tape of George Bush standing with a gun to Chavezs' head.

[Daewoo]

We've been here before.The US is guilty of not telling Chavez the possibility that there was going to be a coup.No more,no less.

And, we now know, funding and helping to plan the coup.

[Turenne]

I'm sorry but biased and second rate Chavista websites are worthless to anybody trying to find anything resembling the truth.Try again,and come up with something I haven't seen/read before.

[lord tammerlain]

Just what is not true?

The US government did know about the coup,

Organizations that recieved funding from the US government had members that took part in the coup.

The US government recognized the new government immediately after the Coup,

Overall the events leading up to the coup follow the same pattern as that of Chile, including many of the US actors

[Daewoo]

I'm sorry but biased and second rate Chavista websites are worthless to anybody trying to find anything resembling the truth.Try again,and come up with something I haven't seen/read before.

Chavista sites like the NY times and Associated press?

Are the CIA documents obtained also worthless to anybody tryign to find the truth? State department documents? DOD documents? They are all there, in their original form, for your viewing pleasure.

You are suffering from a SERIOUS case of denial.

[dittohead not!]

Chavista sites like the NY times and Associated press?

Are the CIA documents obtained also worthless to anybody tryign to find the truth? State department documents? DOD documents? They are all there, in their original form, for your viewing pleasure.

You are suffering from a SERIOUS case of denial.

No, no, no! You;ve got to show that Limbaugh, or at least Fox believed it. If not, you're just citing commie pinko leftie sources.

sarcasm alert! sarcasm alert! sarcasm alert! sarcasm alert!

[JoeR]

Has he really done anything worthy of an assassination attempt?

[Daewoo]

No, no, no! You;ve got to show that Limbaugh, or at least Fox believed it. If not, you're just citing commie pinko leftie sources.

sarcasm alert! sarcasm alert! sarcasm alert! sarcasm alert!

Good god the burden of proof on this site is a little high.

[pRoPhEcY]

HAAA! HAAAA!

LONG LIVE CHAVEZ!!!!!!!!!!

SLAYER OF THE STUTTERING SPUTTERING DRUNKEN DONKEY BUSH!!!!!

CHAVEZ IS A HERO FOR ALL TIME!!!

LONG LIVE THE BOLIVARIAN REVOLUTION!!!!! :eek:

LOOK how they slander him, the Very Great and Brave Chavez!!!
Who builds hospitals and schools. :angel: :thanks:

Who told the :devil: Globalizers that "freetrade", "privatization", "GATS", "national treatment" and "competitive methodology" are a death sentence, and the Debt/Slavery "Structural Adjustment Programs" of the :devil: IMF/World Banksters, are vampirism.

Who gives the :) people what they NEED and DESERVE, education and health care, a reasonable living wage, HOPE. :kiss:

Let Mr. WhiskeyFace take it like a man. :mad:

[towski]

HAAA! HAAAA!

LONG LIVE CHAVEZ!!!!!!!!!!

SLAYER OF THE STUTTERING SPUTTERING DRUNKEN DONKEY BUSH!!!!!

CHAVEZ IS A HERO FOR ALL TIME!!!

LONG LIVE THE BOLIVARIAN REVOLUTION!!!!! :eek:

LOOK how they slander him, the Very Great and Brave Chavez!!!
Who builds hospitals and schools. :angel: :thanks:

Who told the :devil: Globalizers that "freetrade", "privatization", "GATS", "national treatment" and "competitive methodology" are a death sentence, and the Debt/Slavery "Structural Adjustment Programs" of the :devil: IMF/World Banksters, are vampirism.

Who gives the :) people what they NEED and DESERVE, education and health care, a reasonable living wage, HOPE. :kiss:

Let Mr. WhiskeyFace take it like a man. :mad:

Subtle.

[DanM]

2. To compare these two elections is stupid as there is no comparison.

Well liberals seem to like comparing bush and hitler a lot.

[serenity]

Turenne:

Instead of denouncing the sources (which, as has been pointed out to you, includes some mainstream onbes, not just "Chavista" propaganda...this remark is itself sheer propaganda), why don't you counter the sources with some that give the opposing side?

Or have you just decided that it's incorrect--and even you won't deny that American officials supported the coup after the fact (this isn't a controversial assertion) at least--itself an explicit deunciation of democratic will, in the usual formulation.

So...your turn.

[The_Comedian]

Well liberals seem to like comparing bush and hitler a lot.
Are you suggesting that one lousy 'argument' validates another one?

[Turenne]

I already pointed out that the US had prior knowledge of the coup.If you have something more substantive then quote because I'm not going to go trawling through your articles,some of which are Chavista.

However,Lord Tammerlain has already made this argument and failed in anyway to convince me so I don't see your argument being any different.Nor do I see any serious commentators or media outlets saying that the coup was planned or organised by the US.

[pRoPhEcY]

Turenne:

Instead of denouncing the sources (which, as has been pointed out to you, includes some mainstream onbes, not just "Chavista" propaganda...this remark is itself sheer propaganda), why don't you counter the sources with some that give the opposing side?

Or have you just decided that it's incorrect--and even you won't deny that American officials supported the coup after the fact (this isn't a controversial assertion) at least--itself an explicit deunciation of democratic will, in the usual formulation.
Excellent observations, serenity!

The US was the FIRST government to acknowledge the legitimacy of the koo day tah.

CHAVEZ IS BAD FOR BUSINESS :sorry:

[Daewoo]

I already pointed out that the US had prior knowledge of the coup.If you have something more substantive then quote because I'm not going to go trawling through your articles,some of which are Chavista.

Would not want to look at the facts presented.

However,Lord Tammerlain has already made this argument and failed in anyway to convince me so I don't see your argument being any different.Nor do I see any serious commentators or media outlets saying that the coup was planned or organised by the US.

Thats because you are refusing to read the articles. You should really spend a little time at the FOIA site reviewing the first hand documents from the CIA, FBI, etc... There is no direct proof we organized the coup. We did bring a number of Chavez rivals to the US, under the auspices of a CIA cover organizations that historically does little more than plan and carry out coups. We also funded them, and provided material support.

The circumstantial evidence is overwhelming.

[lord tammerlain]

I already pointed out that the US had prior knowledge of the coup.If you have something more substantive then quote because I'm not going to go trawling through your articles,some of which are Chavista.

However,Lord Tammerlain has already made this argument and failed in anyway to convince me so I don't see your argument being any different.Nor do I see any serious commentators or media outlets saying that the coup was planned or organised by the US.


One new arguement based on logical deduction(sp)

The US had prior knowledge of the coup, including the probable date of it correct?

Now ask yourself, just how did the US government obtain this information?

Were they spying on the people that were going to take part in the coup? People that the US government were providing money to ( through NED and USAID among other sources), people that had friendly relations with US diplomatic staff in Venezuela.

Or were the people who were going to take part in the coup directly communicating to the US government and obtaining council from the US government.


Personally I would feel that the coup coconspirators were in direct contact with the US government, obtaining advice from them and some planning assistance. From past history of the US regarding coups in Latin America, that would be the most logical assumption on the level of US involvement.

[serenity]

Any criticism that puts the US in a light other than blundering do-gooder is unacceptable to many liberals. It's an interesting phenomenon.

The US stands nearly alone, in some people's estimation, as a powerful nation that won't do anything REALLY bad--and to claim that it has, and does, is to be a radical lefty, an reflexive "anti-American." It's frankly astonishing to me.

I can only assume it's a sort of doctrinal servility to powerful forces.

[Atticus]

I can only assume it's a sort of doctrinal servility to powerful forces.This argument (or at least this comment) is based on an overly simplistic, easy view: that those who disagree with me are idiots, rogues, or the dupes of rogues (which is to say, idiots). Frankly, it sounds very much to my ears like a conservative calling anyone who disagrees with him a "commie."

People who disagree with you might have a worldview that differs from your own. When you say things like this, it sounds like you haven't taken the time to understand that view.