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Missouri Mule
04-24-2006, 12:16 PM
And the carnage just continues.
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Dog attack leaves 88 goats dead
Farmworker witnesses pit bulls attacking show-quality goats.
By Jim Guy / The Fresno Bee

(Updated Thursday, April 20, 2006, 1:35 PM)

Dozens of goats that survived an attack by three pit bull dogs on a farm near Riverdale have been destroyed because they were so badly injured, the farm's owner said Wednesday.

Piedad Ayala said the number of animals he lost in the Tuesday morning attack is 88. Fresno County sheriff's deputies were still tallying the monetary value of the goats but placed it at $68,000.

The goats — all ewes and kids — were on the farm owned by the Ayala Corp. on the 21000 block of South Chateau Fresno Avenue.

Deputies received a call at 7 a.m. Tuesday from a worker who found the dogs slaughtering the goats.

Sheriff's Sgt. Greg Galarte of the department's Ag Task Force said the attack is one of the worst he has seen.

"That's a very high number, for three dogs to have achieved that," he said. "My understanding is the dogs turned on [the worker]. He was actually trapped on a tractor for a while. He was able to lasso one of the dogs. He followed the other two back to their home."...

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http://www.fresnobee.com/home/story/12076972p-12829961c.html

::Major_Baker::
04-24-2006, 12:47 PM
pitbulls are clearly anti-american.
We need to hunt them down and smoke them out of their dog houses.

Essendon
04-24-2006, 01:12 PM
Hey, the topic title is misleading! A dog killing 88 goats sounds more impressive than three dogs killing 88 goats :p

Missouri Mule
04-24-2006, 01:16 PM
Hey, the topic title is misleading! A dog killing 88 goats sounds more impressive than three dogs killing 88 goats :p

I believe "dog" doesn't connote merely one dog. It would mean one or more.

el nopal
04-24-2006, 02:39 PM
I believe "dog" doesn't connote merely one dog. It would mean one or more.

Therefore, "doggies kill 88 goats" could be used?

I wonder who trained them? Not a very good trainer. Randomly attacking goats is not a trained behavior is it?

I hope they weren't being fed a diet of gun shot....

::Major_Baker::
04-24-2006, 03:12 PM
I believe "dog" doesn't connote merely one dog. It would mean one or more.
I believe you are incorrect.

The_Penguin
04-24-2006, 03:14 PM
He's a farmer and didn't have a gun nearby?

The_Penguin
04-24-2006, 03:15 PM
I believe "dog" doesn't connote merely one dog. It would mean one or more.
Nah, I don't think so. Unless it's part of some dialect in the states.

timlea
04-24-2006, 04:30 PM
dog is not like sheep! Dog is like lamb. More than one is referred to plurally. As Dogs and lambs or as pack or flock in numbers two or greater. Sheep is like moose. . . more than one and is still sheep or moose. Anyway all this talk of lambs, and sheep is making me hungry for Greek food!

Missouri Mule
04-24-2006, 04:46 PM
dog is not like sheep! Dog is like lamb. More than one is referred to plurally. As Dogs and lambs or as pack or flock in numbers two or greater. Sheep is like moose. . . more than one and is still sheep or moose. Anyway all this talk of lambs, and sheep is making me hungry for Greek food!

I think it is commonly used both singularly and plural. For example, one might refer to the "Dog kennel." Obviously more than one dog is contained therein. I have never heard it referred to as "Dogs kennel." In any event that is not what is important here. We have monsters on the loose who kill animals and people almost every day.

A pit bull can have some uses, however. I was talking to my neighbor yesterday who has had a major problem with ferel hogs. The service that came out to claim the hogs used a pit bull to subdue the fully grown 300 pound hog. It clamped on the hog's neck and it couldn't move. Imagine such a dog clamping on a human neck, especially a child's neck. That's what we are talking about.

http://www.anchorchainkennels.com/index1_files/MAIN_files/pic2.jpg

The_Penguin
04-24-2006, 05:08 PM
I think it is commonly used both singularly and plural. For example, one might refer to the "Dog kennel." Obviously more than one dog is contained therein.
Yes, but when you say dog kennel, you're referring to the structure that houses the dogs, not the dogs themselves.
A pit bull can have some uses, however. I was talking to my neighbor yesterday who has had a major problem with ferel hogs. The service that came out to claim the hogs used a pit bull to subdue the fully grown 300 pound hog. It clamped on the hog's neck and it couldn't move. Imagine such a dog clamping on a human neck, especially a child's neck. That's what we are talking about.

http://www.anchorchainkennels.com/i..._files/pic2.jpg
I think some states and counties have laws regulating whether you can keep such animals and under what conditions. Also, I've heard of a number of stories about pit-bulls and that the problem is not the animal, but how it is trained by its owner.

steveksux
04-24-2006, 05:24 PM
I believe "dog" doesn't connote merely one dog. It would mean one or more.Just like "classified" doesn't connote "covert" no doubt.

What does dogs refer to then? More than plural?

Randy

burntgorilla
04-24-2006, 06:22 PM
The "dog" in the title, when used in conjunction with "attack" does, I think, connotate more than one. After all, the logical plural would be "dogs attack". This would completely change the sentence. It would read "dogs attack leaves 88 goats dead". To me, this means that some dogs attack some leaves. The "88 goats dead" doesn't fit into the sentence, and so you wouldn't use the plural. After all, "gun attack" could easily mean more than one gun.

steveksux
04-24-2006, 06:37 PM
The "dog" in the title, when used in conjunction with "attack" does, I think, connotate more than one. After all, the logical plural would be "dogs attack". This would completely change the sentence. It would read "dogs attack leaves 88 goats dead". To me, this means that some dogs attack some leaves. The "88 goats dead" doesn't fit into the sentence, and so you wouldn't use the plural. After all, "gun attack" could easily mean more than one gun.How about "dogs attack leaving 88 goats dead?

Randy

burntgorilla
04-24-2006, 06:59 PM
That's another way of writing it, I suppose, though personally I would add in a comma. But I think the title is still valid. After all, if it was one dog, surely it would be "dog attacks, leaves 88 goats dead"?

Really, I think all the suggestions are valid, it's just a matter of taste.

Confucius
04-24-2006, 08:44 PM
pitbulls are clearly anti-american.
We need to hunt them down and smoke them out of their dog houses.

Yeah exactly.

BUt bloody hell what vicious dogs.

patrickt
04-24-2006, 09:26 PM
My neighor raised calves and every year he'd lose a few to a pack of dogs from a neighboring subdivision. There was a cocker spaniel and a number of mixed breed. Of course, the owners were sure that little fluffy just wouldn't do something like that. When dogs are running in a pack, it doesn't really matter what the breed is.

timlea
04-24-2006, 10:35 PM
I have Greyhounds, and understand that they have a strong "Pack" mentality when in large groups (four or more). At the dog park they will bully other dogs. Then again, they are Greyhounds and are the most comfortable with their own breed...

They never see another type of dog at the track . . . so retirement for a Grey must be quite a "trip". They udjust really well to home life . . . for the other breed dogs . . . it's just a matter of time before a greyhound assimalates.