The Anti-Christ

[xexon]

Everyone seems to have their own opinion of what the Anti-Christ is.

Some believe that its a single person, while other think it is a way of thinking.

I'm a long time study on esoteric thought.

My personal belief is that its a way of thinking. Thoughts in contrast to what Jesus taught. About love,and compassion, and mercy.

Our government is certainly lacking these properties in the modern day, as are many people.

What are your thoughts on this ?


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[gopman]

I'm gonna have to stick with the bible on this one. I believe that a single anti-christ will come someday, but hopefully not soon. We've got a good thing going here- plenty of room for debate.

[Blueangel]

To believe in an anti-Christ, I'd have to have a faith.
I'm agnostic. I've got a big X in the 'don't know' box.

That said, I used to hold some creedence in Nostradamus's theory that there are three anti-Christs. I've never seen Napoleon as being the first, but I'm happy to have Hitler as the second.

According to various prophecies, the third anti-Christ is currently about 32 years old, born in the Middle East, educated in Britain and a successful businessman. He is supposed to have come to public attention in 2002 but will not enter politics til 2004/5.
By 2006, we will all know his name.
He will turn Christianity against itself and only the non-believers will see through his ploy. He won't be in American politics but will ride on the back of America as an ally.

It seems to be almost fashionable to read Nostradamus alongside The Book Of Revelations and summise a theory or break 'the code'

Even G.Dubya is doing it.

[Cedars]

I think anyone professing to believe in God and believes that he can predict when the end of the world is, is a phony.

[lawman]

I'll go you one better -- I think that anyone who believes that any prophecy can accurately predict any future events is, if not a phony, at least woefully misguided.

[Blueangel]

Originally posted by lawman
I'll go you one better -- I think that anyone who believes that any prophecy can accurately predict any future events is, if not a phony, at least woefully misguided. I'm agnostic.
I don't believe any of it.

Seems that G.Dubya does though. Hmmm...

[america]

Originally posted by Blueangel
To believe in an anti-Christ, I'd have to have a faith.
I'm agnostic. I've got a big X in the 'don't know' box.

That said, I used to hold some creedence in Nostradamus's theory that there are three anti-Christs. I've never seen Napoleon as being the first, but I'm happy to have Hitler as the second.

According to various prophecies, the third anti-Christ is currently about 32 years old, born in the Middle East, educated in Britain and a successful businessman. He is supposed to have come to public attention in 2002 but will not enter politics til 2004/5.
By 2006, we will all know his name.
He will turn Christianity against itself and only the non-believers will see through his ploy. He won't be in American politics but will ride on the back of America as an ally.

It seems to be almost fashionable to read Nostradamus alongside The Book Of Revelations and summise a theory or break 'the code'

Even G.Dubya is doing it. now I will have to go and try and find out who it is.

[america]

Originally posted by Cedars
I think anyone professing to believe in God and believes that he can predict when the end of the world is, is a phony. really?
I believe in God and I think he knows when the world will end and I am not a phony. Unless you meant that the person who say's he believes in God knows when the world will end is a phony.
now that I go with, but I read that in the bible, so I am cheating,
Jesus said there will be many people tricked by people saying it is the end of the world, he called them visionary's and said not to feed them, Pat Robertson? Benny Hinn? they don't work and want money,,,,,,
Jesus lists the signs for the end of the world,
the beast will put his mark on your forehead or right hand.
I say it should be awhile, but not that long,
they will start with the ID card, then give reasons why it has to be implanted and it will be a chip that you scan that will allow you in and out of builidings, charge products, groceries, gas etc.
That is when I bow out and say NOPE,
Also the anti christ will rule the world, I think it is more than one person, he will have his people to help,
people will be thrown into prisons for not giving up the language of the bible, NEW TESTAMENT, and will be killed for saying they believe in Jesus.
There will be fighting wars in Jerusalem
so all you have to do to figure it out is figure out who will have a strong military, who has high technology to develop a chip, who has people in every nation that would help the anti christ to rule,
let me give a guess and say it ain't alqueda.

[Simon666]

I think the anti christ is a fairly ordinary guy who you all could get along with and which has a dayjob someplace insignificant, but at night plots the takeover and ultimate destruction of the world. As anti-christ, he ofcourse denies the existance of God and despises all religions. He is currently around 25 years old, has as third eye on the world the internet, where he uses the number of the beast "666" in his nickname.

[thoss52]

well my opinion is there is no anti-Christ . no devil , non of its true and nothing is accurate in the bible so fare .

[Cedars]

Originally posted by america
really?
I believe in God and I think he knows when the world will end and I am not a phony. Unless you meant that the person who say's he believes in God knows when the world will end is a phony.
now that I go with, but I read that in the bible, so I am cheating,
Jesus said there will be many people tricked by people saying it is the end of the world, he called them visionary's and said not to feed them, Pat Robertson? Benny Hinn? they don't work and want money,,,,,,
Jesus lists the signs for the end of the world,
the beast will put his mark on your forehead or right hand.
I say it should be awhile, but not that long,
they will start with the ID card, then give reasons why it has to be implanted and it will be a chip that you scan that will allow you in and out of builidings, charge products, groceries, gas etc.
That is when I bow out and say NOPE,
Also the anti christ will rule the world, I think it is more than one person, he will have his people to help,
people will be thrown into prisons for not giving up the language of the bible, NEW TESTAMENT, and will be killed for saying they believe in Jesus.
There will be fighting wars in Jerusalem
so all you have to do to figure it out is figure out who will have a strong military, who has high technology to develop a chip, who has people in every nation that would help the anti christ to rule,
let me give a guess and say it ain't alqueda.
Yes, I meant that the person who says he believes in God and says he knows when the world will end is a phony. As a Catholic, I believe it is more important to focus on HOW I am living my life, rather than trying to determine WHEN the end of the world is (because Jesus said that not even HE knows that).

[Cedars]

Originally posted by thoss52
well my opinion is there is no anti-Christ . no devil , non of its true and nothing is accurate in the bible so fare .
You are entitled to your opinion.
...But don't you ever wonder about the futility of life on earth -- by that, I mean, you live for eighty years or so (if you're lucky) and then you die? The belief in the existence of God not only lifts your heart, but it makes real sense.

[america]

Originally posted by Simon666
I think the anti christ is a fairly ordinary guy who you all could get along with and which has a dayjob someplace insignificant, but at night plots the takeover and ultimate destruction of the world. As anti-christ, he ofcourse denies the existance of God and despises all religions. He is currently around 25 years old, has as third eye on the world the internet, where he uses the number of the beast "666" in his nickname.


that sounds like you!:eek:

[Simon666]

Originally posted by america
that sounds like you!:eek:
How did you figure out? :D;)

:devil:

[america]

Originally posted by Simon666
How did you figure out? :D;)

:devil:
I am smart!:lol:
and actually it was something you said.

[DRMIZER]

Originally posted by Cedars
You are entitled to your opinion.
...But don't you ever wonder about the futility of life on earth -- by that, I mean, you live for eighty years or so (if you're lucky) and then you die? The belief in the existence of God not only lifts your heart, but it makes real sense.

Cedars,
You have put your finger on the REASON for religion.

[america]

Originally posted by DRMIZER
Cedars,
You have put your finger on the REASON for religion.

Cedars finger was created by my God

[DRMIZER]

Originally posted by america
Cedars finger was created by my God Works for me! Mind that I wrote religion, not God! In my mind there's a giagantic difference! ;)

[DRMIZER]

Originally posted by lawman
I'll go you one better -- I think that anyone who believes that any prophecy can accurately predict any future events is, if not a phony, at least woefully misguided. or sick?:)

[DRMIZER]

Originally posted by america
really?
I believe in God and I think he knows when the world will end and I am not a phony. Unless you meant that the person who say's he believes in God knows when the world will end is a phony.

I'm sure that's what was meant.

Originally posted by america
now that I go with, but I read that in the bible, so I am cheating, Jesus said there will be many people tricked by people saying it is the end of the world, he called them visionary's and said not to feed them, Pat Robertson? Benny Hinn? they don't work and want money.
Jesus lists the signs for the end of the world,
the beast will put his mark on your forehead or right hand.
I say it should be awhile, but not that long,
they will start with the ID card, then give reasons why it has to be implanted and it will be a chip that you scan that will allow you in and out of builidings, charge products, groceries, gas etc.
That is when I bow out and say NOPE,
Also the anti christ will rule the world, I think it is more than one person, he will have his people to help,
people will be thrown into prisons for not giving up the language of the bible, NEW TESTAMENT, and will be killed for saying they believe in Jesus.
There will be fighting wars in Jerusalem
so all you have to do to figure it out is figure out who will have a strong military, who has high technology to develop a chip, who has people in every nation that would help the anti christ to rule,
let me give a guess and say it ain't alqueda.
I'm not sure it was Jesus who listed all these signs. I think they were primarily written in Revelations, commonly thought to be written by John. However, I've never read about ID cards, implanted, chips to be scanned, etc. Can you point this out to me? I'd like to know more.

[america]

Originally posted by DRMIZER
I'm sure that's what was meant.


I'm not sure it was Jesus who listed all these signs. I think they were primarily written in Revelations, commonly thought to be written by John. However, I've never read about ID cards, implanted, chips to be scanned, etc. Can you point this out to me? I'd like to know more.

a thirsty man for the gospel seeks my well thought out but gifted answer:)
seek and you shall fine.

Jesus who was the mastermind of the front men, ie John, stated this,
the mark of the beast one will not be able to buy or sell without the mark of the beast.

That statement did not make a whole lot of sense to old timers until the social security numbers came out, some people were skeptical then.
How silly we all thought they were, well not "we" "we" but "we" as a majority of people in those times. no one gave it much of a study.
Now it is plain for my eyes to see,
To get people implanted with a chip what would the steps need to be taken?
Would the tricky beast say "hey you little people, I am Satan, all of you come here and let me make my mark on you as it says I am suppose to do in the bible"
nooooooo too obvious,

so it is baby steps, Satan has more patience than most believers,
he lies in wait, drooling like the troll under the bridge.

1) Make a big world traumatic event, evil beings sneaking in and blowing up buildings, if only they had been properly idenitified!
2) Invent methods for people to hand over their cash, use plastic, direct deposits, any measure to make their identity and cash available on electronics. Then create identity theft scares.
3)Throw out the idea for national security number, give reasons such as it would eliminate the need for so many records and numbers to be kept, use words such as faster, easier, stream line, etc.
4) offer new and improve methods to prevent identity theft. Retina scans, finger printing readings, etc. Then say oh sorry, the retina scan causes eye damage, (always create fear in your victims), show stories where people have had their fingers cut off by identity thieves. Oh then come out with a new scanner identity card.
5) Show how all this stream lining and condensing things to one card and having your entire life on this one card, that allows you to open doors etc if stolen could really havoc ones life.
6) Offer to implant it, just think one would never have to worry with theft, or losing it!
7) For people that refuse to have the chips done, do not allow them to buy or sell without it, no one any longer accepts cash.
There ya go!
No one will be able to buy or sell without the mark of the beast.

add to that "the ROOT of all evil is the love of money"
and "The anti Christ will rule the world"
"they will hate the sound of my name"

it isn't that hard to figure it out.

[DRMIZER]

Okay America. . . . . .here we go.

The origin of 666

The idea of the Triple God/dess has existed well before the beginnings of Christianity. God also holds the Trinity of Father, Son and Holy Ghost/Spirit, mirroring a religious aspect that dates well into the beginnings of solidified Pantheons.

God is said to create the world in 6 days on the 7th he rests. On the six day is the creation of man.

"And God went on to say: 'Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness, and let them have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and the domestic animals and all the earth and every moving animal that is moving upon the earth.' And God proceeded to create the man in his image, in God's image he created him; male and female he created them."-Genesis 1:26, 27."

So we can see how the number of man is 6, being created on the Sixth day.

The Devil/Satan is labeled through history as the God of Flesh or something very similar depending on who/where you hear it. The God of Flesh is therefore also the God of Man, not of Christian man but of everyother man. Because the Devil is a "God" his number holds the Trinity aspect... being the Trinity God of Man, and Man's number being 6... the Devil's number becomes 666!

From here, a propaganda was built around this number and it is said to be an evil omen or some other such nonsense. In any case, whether you believe it is evil or not... that is the origin of the Number of the Beast. Oddly enough, more people avoid the number 13 than 666. Multiple hotels remove room number 13 from every floor but room number 666 will remain. Curious...

[america]

Originally posted by DRMIZER
Okay America. . . . . .here we go.

The origin of 666

The idea of the Triple God/dess has existed well before the beginnings of Christianity. God also holds the Trinity of Father, Son and Holy Ghost/Spirit, mirroring a religious aspect that dates well into the beginnings of solidified Pantheons.

God is said to create the world in 6 days on the 7th he rests. On the six day is the creation of man.

"And God went on to say: 'Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness, and let them have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and the domestic animals and all the earth and every moving animal that is moving upon the earth.' And God proceeded to create the man in his image, in God's image he created him; male and female he created them."-Genesis 1:26, 27."

So we can see how the number of man is 6, being created on the Sixth day.

The Devil/Satan is labeled through history as the God of Flesh or something very similar depending on who/where you hear it. The God of Flesh is therefore also the God of Man, not of Christian man but of everyother man. Because the Devil is a "God" his number holds the Trinity aspect... being the Trinity God of Man, and Man's number being 6... the Devil's number becomes 666!

From here, a propaganda was built around this number and it is said to be an evil omen or some other such nonsense. In any case, whether you believe it is evil or not... that is the origin of the Number of the Beast. Oddly enough, more people avoid the number 13 than 666. Multiple hotels remove room number 13 from every floor but room number 666 will remain. Curious...
so are you saying
one 6 for man
one 6 for God
one 6 for Jesus?

or the holy trinity God Jesus Man?

I don't think I understand.

Why would the God of Flesh be for everyone except Christians?

No one wants to stay in room 13 that is true.

The bible does not say what the mark of the beast will look like, only a mark, and that we can not buy or sell without it, even if we do not know his name, it will be rather easy to figure out the beast and who works for him.

[DRMIZER]

Originally posted by america
so are you saying
one 6 for man
one 6 for God
one 6 for Jesus?

or the holy trinity God Jesus Man?

I don't think I understand.

Why would the God of Flesh be for everyone except Christians?

No one wants to stay in room 13 that is true.

The bible does not say what the mark of the beast will look like, only a mark, and that we can not buy or sell without it, even if we do not know his name, it will be rather easy to figure out the beast and who works for him. I'm not sure I can add to the explanation above.

I'm NOT saying this is true. I'm saying this is what people believed and why the 666 superstition began. Relevant or not. .it's simply an explanation.

[america]

Originally posted by DRMIZER
I'm not sure I can add to the explanation above.

I'm NOT saying this is true. I'm saying this is what people believed and why the 666 superstition began. Relevant or not. .it's simply an explanation.

I am sorry I don't understand what you are saying, do you have a link to somewhere that I can read more?

[DRMIZER]

Originally posted by america
I am sorry I don't understand what you are saying, do you have a link to somewhere that I can read more? No. It was something out of a book on superstitions well supported by documentation.

[america]

Originally posted by DRMIZER
No. It was something out of a book on superstitions well supported by documentation.

I admit to being superstitious at times even though I should not be,
but the beast mark stated in the NT states the number of the name of the man is 666, which would explain why no one is worried about staying in a hotel room with that number, the room is not the beast.
I think you are on to something though, a triangle, mmmmmmm

[DRMIZER]

Could be. ;)

[Cedars]

Originally posted by DRMIZER
Cedars,
You have put your finger on the REASON for religion.
I have put my finger (which was made by God, along with everything else) on the REASON why so many people believe in God, including me. Anyone who does not believe that God created everything must believe himself (along with everything else in this world) to be an accident. That's a whole lot of nothing to be believing in! ...and "a whole lot of nothin' goin' on"!

[Cedars]

Originally posted by america
so are you saying
one 6 for man
one 6 for God
one 6 for Jesus?

or the holy trinity God Jesus Man?

I don't think I understand.

Why would the God of Flesh be for everyone except Christians?

No one wants to stay in room 13 that is true.

The bible does not say what the mark of the beast will look like, only a mark, and that we can not buy or sell without it, even if we do not know his name, it will be rather easy to figure out the beast and who works for him.
Man is not part of the Holy Trinity. The Holy Trinity is God, the Father; God, the Son; and God, THE HOLY SPIRIT.

[Cedars]

Originally posted by DRMIZER
I'm not sure I can add to the explanation above.

I'm NOT saying this is true. I'm saying this is what people believed and why the 666 superstition began. Relevant or not. .it's simply an explanation.
The "666" comes from the Bible itself. Revelations 13:18:

"Wisdom is needed here; one who understands can calculate the number of the beast, for it is a number that stands for a person. His number is six hundred and sixty-six. "

[DRMIZER]

Originally posted by Cedars
The "666" comes from the Bible itself. Revelations 13:18:

"Wisdom is needed here; one who understands can calculate the number of the beast, for it is a number that stands for a person. His number is six hundred and sixty-six. " Sorry, all I get is 6+6+6=18. Guess I'm short on wisdom.

[Cedars]

Originally posted by DRMIZER
Sorry, all I get is 6+6+6=18. Guess I'm short on wisdom.
That makes two of us! I merely pointed out WHERE the '666' actually comes from.

[SantaMonica]

Simon666

[Madrigalian]

I am agnostic as well, but I find a great deal fasinating in prophecy...

Blue Angel provides some of the same signs to come as those I have researched...

According to various prophecies, the third anti-Christ is currently about 32 years old, born in the Middle East, educated in Britain and a successful businessman. He is supposed to have come to public attention in 2002 but will not enter politics til 2004/5.


And still there is more, much more.

According to prophecy Russia will attack Israel after America has suffered a major destructive event that precludes us from coming to their assistance. (this is a scary prophecy as it essentially points to the demise of the United States)

As the prophecy continues, it says that Israel will be saved by a miracle that no man can deny which will herald the coming of the Anti-Christ who will assume globally popular power in europe and bring false peace for seven years... followed by the great tribulation.

Very interesting stuff when one realizes how much of these prophecies "may" have already come to pass... depending on ones inclination to believe them of course.

[Eliot]

Originally posted by Madrigalian
According to prophecy Russia will attack Israel after America has suffered a major destructive event that precludes us from coming to their assistance. (this is a scary prophecy as it essentially points to the demise of the United States)

The Bible doesn't say specifically Russia. Doesn't it say something like "The Kingdom of the North", right? :confused: It could be prophesying the European Union....

[Madrigalian]

The bible names them Gog of the land Magog.

Forgive me for the cut and paste here... Its just easier.

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And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him, And say, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal: And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armour, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords: Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them; all of them with shield and helmet: Gomer, and all his bands: and many people with thee... (Exek. 38:1 -- 6).

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Let us begin at the beginning. A table of nations is given in
Genesis 10. At the opening of this important chapter, we are
confronted with the key names in Ezekiel's prophecy: "Now these are the generations of the sons of Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japheth: and unto them were sons born after the flood. The sons of Japheth; Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras" (Gen. 10:1,2).

These key verses describe the repopulating of the earth after the
flood. It was the custom in ancient times for the descendents of a
man to adopt his name for their tribe. Understanding this,
historians and Bible students have been able to trace the movements of some of the tribes and know where their descendents can be found today. Using this system, the editors of the Scofield Reference Bible have furnished the following information about the names that concern us in the table of nations:

Magog -- "From Magog are descended the ancient Scythians or Tarters, whose descendents predominate in modern Russia."

Tubal -- "Tubal's descendents peopled the region south of the Black Sea from whence they spread north and south. It is probable that Tobolsk perpetuates the tribal name."

Meshech -- "Progenitor of a race mentioned in connection with Tubal, Magog, and other northern nations. Broadly speaking, Russia, excluding the conquests of Peter the Great and his successors, is the modern land of Magog, Tubal, and Meshech."

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To be honest when I first started studying all of this years ago I had a very difficult time even conceiving of such a notion as Russia joining with "persia" in a war against Israel. Just seemed so very unlikely back then.

Now...?

[xexon]

I still believe anti-christ means a pervasive way of thinking in the population.

Thats not to say that certain individuals won't play a major role while under the influence of this spiritual disease.



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[Blueangel]

I find it astounding that any predictions were made about the fate of America when the writers didn't even know it existed!
Truely amazing. :D

Just goes to show how these prophecies are very open to interpretation.
Modern art is less subjective!

[Eliot]

But will Russia (or whoever it is) attack Israel BEFORE or AFTER the Rapture? :confused: