Take the Martin Luther/Hitler Quiz!

[brainpan]

Guess which of the following quotes originated with Adolph Hitler, and which originated with Martin Luther, father of the Protestant Christian faiths!

1. Therefore be on your guard against the Jews, knowing that wherever they have their synagogues, nothing is found but a den of devils in which sheer self-glory, conceit, lies, blasphemy, and defaming of God and men are practiced most maliciously and veheming his eyes on them.

2. Moreover, they (Jews) are nothing but thieves and robbers who daily eat no morsel and wear no thread of clothing which they have not stolen and pilfered from us by means of their accursed usury. Thus they live from day to day, together with wife and child, by theft and robbery, as arch-thieves and robbers, in the most impenitent security.

3. Did I not tell you earlier that a Jew is such a noble, precious jewel that God and all the angels dance when he farts?

4. No, one should toss out these lazy rogues (Jews) by the seat of their pants.

5. Over and above that we let them (Jews) get rich on our sweat and blood, while we remain poor and they suck the marrow from our bones.

6. Therefore we Christians, in turn, are obliged not to tolerate their (Jewish) wanton and conscious blasphemy.

7. He who hears this name [God] from a Jew must inform the authorities, or else throw sow dung at him when he sees him and chase him away.

8. If we wish to wash our hands of the Jews' blasphemy and not share in their guilt, we have to part company with them. They must be driven from our country.

9. ...they (Jews) remain our daily murderers and bloodthirsty foes in their hearts. Their prayers and curses furnish evidence of that, as do the many stories which relate their torturing of children and all sorts of crimes for which they have often been burned at the stake or banished.

10. Undoubtedly they (Jews) do more and viler things than those which we know and discover.

11. Therefore the blind Jews are truly stupid fools...

12. However, they (Jews) have not acquired a perfect mastery of the art of lying; they lie so clumsily and ineptly that anyone who is just a little observant can easily detect it. But for us Christians they stand as a terrifying example of God's wrath.

13. ...but then eject them forever from this country. For, as we have heard, God's anger with them is so intense that gentle mercy will only tend to make them worse and worse, while sharp mercy will reform them but little. Therefore, in any case, away with them!






OK. Time for true confessions. I have deceived you with 13 trick questions, for all the quotes came from that great Christian theologian Martin Luther!

But accept my apologies and explanation. You see, certain people have been insinuating that atheism was to blame for the rise of Nazism, or was somehow connected to it, which pisses me off to no end. Not because I feel some kind of kinship with a supposed atheist minority, or that atheism is a doctrine or needing a champion.

No, my annoyance is much easier to explain that that, it's the sheer unabashed bullcrap that gets to me. It's no less offensive to me than Muslims who refuse to accept the fact their fellow religionists killed thousands of innocents on 911, but seek to blame Jews and/or Bush instead. The truth is that Nazism simply continued that long great Christian tradition of promoting insane hatred and mass murder. The Nazi genocide wasn't dissimilar from previous pogroms, inquisitions, and crusades that came before it.

Thank you for your indulgence. I hope you enjoyed the quiz! :)

[TomAZ]

Some exerpts from Hitler's speeches;

The national government will maintain and defend the foundations on which the power of the nation rests. It will offer STRONG PROTECTION TO CHRISTIANITY as the very basis for our collective morality. Today CHRISTIANS stand at the head of our country.
I pledge that I will NEVER tie myself to parties who want to destroy CHRISTIANITY.
We want to fill our culture again with the christian spirit.
We want to BURN OUT all the recent immoral developments in literature, in the theatre and in the press. In short, we want to burn out the poison of immorality which has entered into our life and culture as a result of liberal excess during the past few years.
__________________________________________________ ________________

...Another Nazi tells it like it was;

"Every move the Nazi's made was viewed as having been willed by god. The will of god was the ULTIMATE MANDATE. A person could always follow god's will, incomprehensible though it was, with clear conscience.

Wolfgang Luth
Korvettenkapitan
1942
__________________________________________________ ___________________

Hitler an Atheist?? :lol:

[julierep]

Guess which of the following quotes originated with Adolph Hitler, and which originated with Martin Luther, father of the Protestant Christian faiths!

1. Therefore be on your guard against the Jews, knowing that wherever they have their synagogues, nothing is found but a den of devils in which sheer self-glory, conceit, lies, blasphemy, and defaming of God and men are practiced most maliciously and veheming his eyes on them.

2. Moreover, they (Jews) are nothing but thieves and robbers who daily eat no morsel and wear no thread of clothing which they have not stolen and pilfered from us by means of their accursed usury. Thus they live from day to day, together with wife and child, by theft and robbery, as arch-thieves and robbers, in the most impenitent security.

3. Did I not tell you earlier that a Jew is such a noble, precious jewel that God and all the angels dance when he farts?

4. No, one should toss out these lazy rogues (Jews) by the seat of their pants.

5. Over and above that we let them (Jews) get rich on our sweat and blood, while we remain poor and they suck the marrow from our bones.

6. Therefore we Christians, in turn, are obliged not to tolerate their (Jewish) wanton and conscious blasphemy.

7. He who hears this name [God] from a Jew must inform the authorities, or else throw sow dung at him when he sees him and chase him away.

8. If we wish to wash our hands of the Jews' blasphemy and not share in their guilt, we have to part company with them. They must be driven from our country.

9. ...they (Jews) remain our daily murderers and bloodthirsty foes in their hearts. Their prayers and curses furnish evidence of that, as do the many stories which relate their torturing of children and all sorts of crimes for which they have often been burned at the stake or banished.

10. Undoubtedly they (Jews) do more and viler things than those which we know and discover.

11. Therefore the blind Jews are truly stupid fools...

12. However, they (Jews) have not acquired a perfect mastery of the art of lying; they lie so clumsily and ineptly that anyone who is just a little observant can easily detect it. But for us Christians they stand as a terrifying example of God's wrath.

13. ...but then eject them forever from this country. For, as we have heard, God's anger with them is so intense that gentle mercy will only tend to make them worse and worse, while sharp mercy will reform them but little. Therefore, in any case, away with them!






OK. Time for true confessions. I have deceived you with 13 trick questions, for all the quotes came from that great Christian theologian Martin Luther!

But accept my apologies and explanation. You see, certain people have been insinuating that atheism was to blame for the rise of Nazism, or was somehow connected to it, which pisses me off to no end. Not because I feel some kind of kinship with a supposed atheist minority, or that atheism is a doctrine or needing a champion.

No, my annoyance is much easier to explain that that, it's the sheer unabashed bullcrap that gets to me. It's no less offensive to me than Muslims who refuse to accept the fact their fellow religionists killed thousands of innocents on 911, but seek to blame Jews and/or Bush instead. The truth is that Nazism simply continued that long great Christian tradition of promoting insane hatred and mass murder. The Nazi genocide wasn't dissimilar from previous pogroms, inquisitions, and crusades that came before it.

Thank you for your indulgence. I hope you enjoyed the quiz! :)

How about some links???

Oh, and by the way, I love how you think one mans actions (Hitlers) is the result of millions of others. One way thinking and great use of a double edge sword when you talk about others who blame others actions on a certain sect of people). Can we all say DOUBLE STANDARD class?

[cpwill]

:shrug: hitler was small-potatoes, let's compare the religious beliefs of some REAL mass-murderers, stalin and mao. ;)

[TomAZ]

Hmm. Stalin was Eastern Orthodox. Mao? Don't know. Maybe Kung Fucious.

[No+redamer]

I'm Catholic, don't blame me.

But Martin Luther's ends justify his means, at least to Protestants, and I can respect that. Most Christians back then were *****, but that truthfully isn't the case today. A lot can change in the 70 or so years since Hitler's rise and a lot has. Even more has changed since Luther's time.

Christianity is a lot harder to exploit these days; I know it's hard to tell when you hear from televangelists... but you have to give credit where credit is due, even if you're a pissed off atheist.

I used to be an atheist and when I returned to Catholicism I realized I wasted way too much time being pissed off at the Church.

[brainpan]

I love how you think one mans actions (Hitlers) is the result of millions of others.Allow me summarize the arguments I actually made:

1. The insane hatred of Martin Luther, father of the protestant faiths, is indistinguishable from that of Hitler. If you put their most vicious anti-Semitic quotes side by side, most people would have difficulty guessing who said what.

2. The Nazi genocide wasn't dissimilar from previous pogroms, inquisitions, and crusades that occurred many times before.

3. The fact a super fundamentalist-type Christian would blame atheism for the rise of Nazism serves as proof of just how deceitful, how shamelessly deceitful, some people can be. Christians need not look outside of Christiandom for the origins of hatred born within their own traditions.

Feel free to argue against any of the points I publicly support.

[julierep]

Allow me summarize the arguments I actually made:

1. The insane hatred of Martin Luther, father of the protestant faiths, is indistinguishable from that of Hitler. If you put their most vicious anti-Semitic quotes side by side, most people would have difficulty guessing who said what.

2. The Nazi genocide wasn't dissimilar from previous pogroms, inquisitions, and crusades that occurred many times before.

3. The fact a super fundamentalist-type Christian would blame atheism for the rise of Nazism serves as proof of just how deceitful, how shamelessly deceitful, some people can be. Christians need not look outside of Christiandom for the origins of hatred born within their own traditions.

Feel free to argue against any of the points I publicly support.

Your problem is that you lump and generalize all of the time. I see more hatred in your posts then any other. Its a sad day when one must resort to blaming and trying to prove a point of hatred, amoung all things. These things make me realize how much I love what I believe. God has not given me a heart of pesimissm and hate, rather one of hope and joy and love. I pity the one who must resort to this type of behavior.

Now, Id still like to see your links.

[brainpan]

I'm Catholic, don't blame me.Of course I won't. I'm a huge admirer of the late Pope, by the way.
But Martin Luther's ends justify his means, at least to Protestants, and I can respect that.Are you sure about that? Luther was every bit as bad as Hitler. Not only did he inspire mass murder of Jews, he did the same favor for other groups, like the peasants.
Most Christians back then were *****, but that truthfully isn't the case today.Understood. And I agree. Most of my family is Christian, and they're great people.
A lot can change in the 70 or so years since Hitler's rise and a lot has. Even more has changed since Luther's time.That's a good point. The old hatreds are buried deep, for the most part.
I used to be an atheist and when I returned to Catholicism I realized I wasted way too much time being pissed off at the Church.Well, it takes a lot of energy to be angry. You might be surprised to learn I'm not angry at my former church, and definitely not at the Catholics or even most Protestant denominations. You have to dig up a real deep south, fundie-type Christian to get me pissed. Anyway, thanks for your thoughts.

[brainpan]

Your problem is that you lump and generalize all of the time.Fair enough. You won't argue against any of the points I made. You just want me to know that:

1. You feel sorry for me.
2. It's a sad day when people resort to blame.
3. You perceive more hate in my posts than any other.
4. My posts help you to realize that you enjoy your worldview.

Alright, then. Message received. I'm glad that my posts help you. Thank you for your reply.

[julierep]

Fair enough. You won't argue against any of the points I made. You just want me to know that:

1. You feel sorry for me.
2. It's a sad day when people resort to blame.
3. You perceive more hate in my posts than any other.
4. My posts help you to realize that you enjoy your worldview.

Alright, then. Message received. I'm glad that my posts help you. Thank you for your reply.

Well I cant argue against the posts you made because I have no links. So I will leave it at that.

[brainpan]

Duplicate

[brainpan]

:shrug: hitler was small-potatoes, let's compare the religious beliefs of some REAL mass-murderers, stalin and mao. ;)At first glance, your retort looks pretty good, but there are some problems with it.

First of all, you seem to be implying that atheism is a religious belief. That needs to be explained. Furthermore, it is not as though Stalin and Mao are revered founders of the atheist worldview. You really can't make the kind of comparison between them and Martin Luther that you seem to wish for. Finally, I think you should at least make an attempt to argue against one of the points in my initiating post before changing the subject. I summarized them into an easy-to-read format for julierep, let me know what you think of them.

[No+redamer]

Are you sure about that? Luther was every bit as bad as Hitler. Not only did he inspire mass murder of Jews, he did the same favor for other groups, like the peasants.

I don't doubt that some short-term effects were bad. But I think the Catholic Church was 'cleansed' in a sense through the competition the Protestant religion offered and still offers to this day.

For many reasons, the Catholic Church knows now that it can't do things that are, well, un-Catholic. The media helps, but so to does the threat that if the Catholic Church were to 'go crazy' many disgruntled Catholics might look elsewhere---protestantism.

At the same time, Protestantism sucks in one respect: it can't control itself. On one side you have the ultra-liberal protestant churches hanging Gay Pride flags from the steeple, like one I saw in the Georgetown area of Washington DC. And on the other, you have the snake-handling morons.

And then you have the anti-christs, the ones that go on TV and hijack the religion, who commercialize their churches, and who even go so far as to build the so-called mega churches. And it's these mega churches that piss me off the most because churches are supposed to provide a second family (which is one thing that atheists have to admit is a benevolent aspect of religion). If you go to a Church that accomodates 10,000 people, you'll just be a dot in the crowd... I can only hope that the church-goers never break out into a wave... I think that would bring about the apocalypse.

[cpwill]

Hmm. Stalin was Eastern Orthodox. Mao? Don't know. Maybe Kung Fucious.

both were (as required by communist party dialectic) athiests.

[neo of the mind]

So was Hitler.

Taken from the book, "Hitler's Table Talk", 1953
Night of 11th-12th July, 1941

"National Socialism and religion cannot exist together....
"The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity....
"Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things." (p 6 & 7)

10th October, 1941, midday

"Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure." (p 43)

14th October, 1941, midday

"The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity....
"Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity.... And that's why someday its structure will collapse....
"...the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little....
"Christianity <is> the liar....
"We'll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State." (p 49-52)

19th October, 1941, night

"The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity."

21st October, 1941, midday

"Originally, Christianity was merely an incarnation of Bolshevism, the destroyer....
"The decisive falsification of Jesus' <who he asserts many times was never a Jew> doctrine was the work of St.Paul. He gave himself to this work... for the purposes of personal exploitation....
"Didn't the world see, carried on right into the Middle Ages, the same old system of martyrs, tortures, *******? Of old, it was in the name of Christianity. Today, it's in the name of Bolshevism. Yesterday the
instigator was Saul: the instigator today, Mardochai. Saul was changed into St.Paul, and Mardochai into Karl Marx. By exterminating this pest, we shall do humanity a service of which our soldiers can have no idea." (p 63-65)

13th December, 1941, midnight

"Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery.... <here insults people who believe
transubstantiation>....
"When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's be the only people who are immunised against the disease." (p 118-119)

14th December, 1941, midday

"Kerrl, with noblest of intentions, wanted to attempt a synthesis between National Socialism and Christianity. I don't believe the thing's possible, and I see the obstacle in Christianity itself....
"Pure Christianity-- the Christianity of the catacombs-- is concerned with translating Christian doctrine into facts. It leads quite simply to the annihilation of mankind. It is merely whole-hearted Bolshevism,
under a tinsel of metaphysics." (p 119 & 120)

9th April, 1942, dinner

"There is something very unhealthy about Christianity." (p 339)

27th February, 1942, midday

"It would always be disagreeable for me to go down to posterity as a man who made concessions in this field. I realize that man, in his imperfection, can commit innumerable errors-- but to devote myself deliberately to errors, that is something I cannot do. I shall never come personally to terms with the Christian lie."
"Our epoch in the next 200 years will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity.... My regret will have been that I couldn't... behold <its demise>." (p 278)

[julierep]

I still see no links. Are you going to provide them for us or are you just ignoring the request?

[Dangerrmouse]

Sub rarely posts links, why would his intelligent older brother neo do so?

[brainpan]

No matter, I've got the good's on "Hitler's Table Talk." It's definitely not the savior neo was hoping for. More, much more, on that later.

[julierep]

Sub rarely posts links, why would his intelligent older brother neo do so?

Actually, I was talking to Brainpan. This will be the 5th time with no response. Amazing.

[neo of the mind]

No matter, I've got the good's on "Hitler's Table Talk." It's definitely not the savior neo was hoping for. More, much more, on that later.

LOL. Dude, it's just a debate forum. If I am shown to be wrong, then I will admit that I am wrong. This isn't life or death for me here and it's not personal.

[brainpan]

Actually, I was talking to Brainpan. This will be the 5th time with no response. Amazing.Because you troll with abandon, and others have pointed it out.

Your arguments always follow a similar line. First you make an emotional appeal, and it is always followed up with personal attacks and unwarranted condescention, but never any substance. You never offer a valid response to rebuttals, but usually claim "I already answered that" in spite of the fact. In this discussion, you indicated you would not participate further if I failed to offer links. That cemented my decision to not provide them, but I have never failed in the past to respond to such requests. I just used that tactic as troll repellent.

Anyway, feel free to respond to the actual subject of the thread, and I might bother to answer. I wont make any promises, however.

[julierep]

Because you troll with abandon, and others have pointed it out.

Your arguments always follow a similar line. First you make an emotional appeal, and it is always followed up with personal attacks and unwarranted condescention, but never any substance. You never offer a valid response to rebuttals, but usually claim "I already answered that" in spite of the fact. In this discussion, you indicated you would not participate further if I failed to offer links. That cemented my decision to not provide them, but I have never failed in the past to respond to such requests. I just used that tactic as troll repellent.

Anyway, feel free to respond to the actual subject of the thread, and I might bother to answer. I wont make any promises, however.

:lol: LOL. Nobody has said that and I know that Ive never been called a troll. You are the first. Personal attacks? More like defending a belief that you tend to smear into the ground all of the time. This thread is a perfect example. Of course you wouldnt provide links. If your going to quote someone, you can at least give some links that I know you are always asking others for. Ill take that as you just dont have any links.

[Eddie]

How about some links???

Would this (http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/luther-jews.html) suffice?

[burntgorilla]

Actually, I was talking to Brainpan. This will be the 5th time with no response. Amazing.

You're in no position to talk about people not replying to requests.

[julierep]

You're in no position to talk about people not replying to requests.

What requests have you asked for? What request can I give you?

[brainpan]

:lol: LOL. Nobody has said that and I know that Ive never been called a troll. < MOD EDIT>PERSONAL ATTACKS, ESPECIALLY OF THIS SEVERITY WILL NOT BE TOLERATED AND WILL RESULT IN SUSPENSION OF POSTING PRIVILEDGES, IF NOT OUTRIGHT CANCELLATION OF YOUR ACCOUNT. <MOD EDIT>

[julierep]

But others have identified the very behavior that identifies you as a troll. In fact, one member reminds you of that on the second posting following your own.
Who are others, Brainpan? If you have identified them, then who are they?
The 2nd posting following my own would be TomAZ, unless, of course you are talking about some other thread in which one I wouldnt know.
He should know, you victimized him with the worst trolling I have witnessed on this forum or any other. I think quite a few of us remember your blatant lying and repeated "Ive already answered that" responses to him.
Once again, you will have to identify. And quite a few is a lot. Care to offer up who quite a few are?
Yeppers. Lots and lots of 'em. Usually wrapped up in false sympathy and sanctimony, of course.
You are the epitome of personal attacks and condescending, :sorry:

Take it any way you like. Your statements prove you don't bother with logic in determining what reality is, so it should be expected that you would just choose whatever reality you prefer.
Not your logic, no. I live in a great reality along with most everybody else, and yes I prefer it.

Of course, it looks like our resident Swede would rather not allow you any points on my refusal to provide you with any assisstance. I will note, however, that if a person does a google search for "Hitler" "Martin Luther," he will be greeted with 3,060,000 results. :sorry: :lol:
Thats a lot of results wouldnt you say? Im not asking for random results I am asking where you dug up your quotes. My goodness, is it that hard?

Now. I will ask you why do you insist on pointing out hate amoung some sects of people yet you never bring up the good they do? I never claimed atheists were responsible for Nazism, however, neither is Christianity. It was ONE man who is responsible for Nazism. The reason you have such a problem with Christianity is because you look for the mistakes of some and never look for the good of the same.

[burntgorilla]

What requests have you asked for? What request can I give you?

Do you not remember the whole "God vs. any other supernatural being" thread? The one where you kept telling me that you'd answered me, but were incapable of summing up your answer or showing me where? Where I collected your posts, and asked you to point out which one was your answer, yet you couldn't do that?

Edit: Incidentally, you did go through the process that brainpan described. I do remember you saying "if you can't tell the difference, I feel sorry for you!". Odd that you couldn't tell the difference yourself, but there you go.

Edit: I'm assuming he's referring to me.

[brainpan]

Thats a lot of results wouldnt you say? Im not asking for random results I am asking where you dug up your quotes. My goodness, is it that hard?No, you are that hypocritical. And I won't get into feed your trolling further. I'll just move to shut down some more of your lies.
Now. I will ask you why do you insist on pointing out hate amoung some sects of people yet you never bring up the good they do?Why do you lie with abandon?
I never claimed atheists were responsible for NazismBut another Christian did, right here, and I have heard the charge ad nauseum from plenty of other Christians.
however, neither is Christianity.And I have said the exact same thing in these forums. Doh!
It was ONE man who is responsible for Nazism.Patently untrue. There were hordes of people who had to play their parts to make the thing work, and they all share in the responsibility. The father of the protestant churches, Martin Luther, definitely played his role as well.
The reason you have such a problem with Christianity is because you look for the mistakes of some and never look for the good of the same.The reason you lie with abandon is because the facts just don't support your worldview, so you just invent them at will to suit your purposes. Right in this very forum I've let it be known I have no problem at all with Christianity, and Ill take it a step further with no embarrassment whatsoever. I actually admire the good works of millions upon millions of Christians, and I will repeat again, in this forum for the second time, that I'm a huge admirer of the late Pope John Paul II.

[brainpan]

Edit: I'm assuming he's referring to me.I apologize for that. That was weird for me to not just name you. I meant no disrespect.

[julierep]

No, you are that hypocritical. And I won't get into feed your trolling further. I'll just move to shut down some more of your lies.
Hypocritical? No. I have always said that I nor any other Christian is not perfect. As far as links go, youve never asked for any and beyond that, I have never quoted someone without giving links to where I got it. So trolling? No. If I ask for a link, then supply one. I wouldnt think it would be that hard. I would like to read further about what you say Martin Luther has said. If, in fact, he did say these things (which by the way I have never said he didnt) I would like to see if they were taken in context or out of context. No way do I defend Martin Luther if he was antisemetic. So, I will ask you again, will you give the links so that I can read further and how, in this thread, do you consider me trolling?

Why do you lie with abandon?
Lie? About what? Abandon? Again, when?

But another Christian did, right here, and I have heard the charge ad nauseum from plenty of other Christians.
Said that atheists were responsible for nazism? Im sorry, I didnt see that. I dont care that you are defending against what they said, however, your posts always tend to be antichristian and full of hate.

And I have said the exact same thing in these forums. Doh!
Ahhh, maturity at its highest.

Patently untrue. There were hordes of people who had to play their parts to make the thing work, and they all share in the responsibility. The father of the protestant churches, Martin Luther, definitely played his role as well.
I am speaking of Nazi Germany...WWII. Martin Luther may have said the things you quote, however, that doesnt mean that he is responsible for Hitler's actions.
The reason you lie with abandon is because the facts just don't support your worldview, so you just invent them at will to suit your purposes. Right in this very forum I've let it be known I have no problem at all with Christianity, and Ill take it a step further with no embarrassment whatsoever. I actually admire the good works of millions upon millions of Christians, and I will repeat again, in this forum for the second time, that I'm a huge admirer of the late Pope John Paul II.
I invent nothing. Your posts speak volumes for themselves. You may have mentioned you have no problem with Christianity in a couple of posts, but your undying need to opress Christianity ad nausem says to me that you are just trying to woo over a couple of people here or your confused on what you feel about Christianity.

[Meek Heir]

If I ask for a link, then supply one.

Try post #24 and post #27 (incedentally a post you quoted yourself) where brainpan refers you to post #24.

[julierep]

In reading the link someone provided, which is really hard to determine how the quotes should be taken (this is why I hate quotes), but regardless of that, I think Martin Luther was wrong in saying what he says about jews. Hatred of anyone is not a christian tolerance therefore I dont condone what he said. Do I think atheism is responsible for antisemetism? No, of course I dont. I never thought that. What is responsible for antisemetism is hate.

Brainpan- now understanding that someone said to you that athesim is the root cause for antisemetism, I understand why you put up this thread. It just seemed to me that you were trying to smite Christianity by using words of Martin Luther. Let me also say that although he said these things doesnt mean that was not at one point a great Christian. We all have our downfalls and this was obviously his. Please understand, my reason for posting on this thread was not to troll, rather I misunderstood your reasoning behind posting this and also to get some links so that I may verify these quotes in which I was hoping for more than a quote, but words before and after the quote.

[sub_zer0]

In reading the link someone provided, which is really hard to determine how the quotes should be taken (this is why I hate quotes), but regardless of that, I think Martin Luther was wrong in saying what he says about jews. Hatred of anyone is not a christian tolerance therefore I dont condone what he said. Do I think atheism is responsible for antisemetism? No, of course I dont. I never thought that. What is responsible for antisemetism is hate.

Brainpan- now understanding that someone said to you that athesim is the root cause for antisemetism, I understand why you put up this thread. It just seemed to me that you were trying to smite Christianity by using words of Martin Luther. Let me also say that although he said these things doesnt mean that was not at one point a great Christian. We all have our downfalls and this was obviously his. Please understand, my reason for posting on this thread was not to troll, rather I misunderstood your reasoning behind posting this and also to get some links so that I may verify these quotes in which I was hoping for more than a quote, but words before and after the quote.

I understand, you weren't trolling...

[Kong]

I'm Catholic, don't blame me.Wasn’t the Inquisition an anti-Jewish, Catholic inspiration?

[brainpan]

IBrainpan- now understanding that someone said to you that athesim is the root cause for antisemetism, I understand why you put up this thread. It just seemed to me that you were trying to smite Christianity by using words of Martin Luther.Those links are coming right up.

[brainpan]

Wasn’t the Inquisition an anti-Jewish, Catholic inspiration?The topic is Martin Luther. ;)

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This is the source I used in creating the initial post, it quotes from Luther's "On the Jews and Their Lies". no beliefs.com (http://www.nobeliefs.com/luther.htm)

Here is a link to the complete text of On the Jews and Their Lies. (http://www.nobeliefs.com/otjatl.htm)

Some exerpts of the same text from Fordham University. (http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/luther-jews.html)

And finally a quick synopsis of the subject from Wikipedia. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther_and_the_Jews)