Christianty's Right

[nogoodname90]

Are all Christians on the right and are their more moderate christians? I also wanted to say how come the right are always for the constition but then put in bills that input their views from religon into laws and stuff. How come bush critzies middle eastern countrys for having islamic law but then he puts in laws from the bible?

[sub_zer0]

Are all Christians on the right and are their more moderate christians? I also wanted to say how come the right are always for the constition but then put in bills that input their views from religon into laws and stuff. How come bush critzies middle eastern countrys for having islamic law but then he puts in laws from the bible?

I'm a independant conservative.

[Izdaari]

Are all Christians on the right and are their more moderate christians? I also wanted to say how come the right are always for the constition but then put in bills that input their views from religon into laws and stuff. How come bush critzies middle eastern countrys for having islamic law but then he puts in laws from the bible?Christians come in many shades of opinion, as no doubt do followers of every religion. As for me, I'm a Christian and I would say broadly speaking on the right, but much more libertarian than conservative. I'm not part of the organized "Christian right", though I will sometimes ally with them on particular issues... and oppose them on others. Such as, for example, gay marriage, which I'm favor of so long as comes by a democratic process and not judicial fiat. I don't believe in legislating Christianity, Islam, or any other religion, but I do think the law should treat religion as well as it treats the lack thereof. That is, I'm against making secular humanism the default state religion.

[ScummyD]

I also wanted to say how come the right are always for the constition but then put in bills that input their views from religon into laws and stuff.
First off, the Right is not "always for the constition" [The word is Constitution. Capitalized]. Right wing paramilitary skin head types are not for the US Constitution, lest you go back to Scott v Sanford 1859.

Second, because there is no law against it.

Do you disagree with murder laws? Thou shall not murder being a religious law and all.

How come bush critzies middle eastern countrys for having islamic law but then he puts in laws from the bible?
Give me ONE law Bush "puts in" from the Bible. Just one.

[Tuatara]

There are many left-wing Christians, even here at Whistlestopper. I have even seen some hardcore right-wing atheists. There are also 1000's of other religious groups out there and 1000's of other political variations out there. I feel it is time to stop putting labels on everyone and start discussing the content of the issues.

If the issue is labels then carry on. :D

[nogoodname90]

First off, the Right is not "always for the constition" [The word is Constitution. Capitalized]. Right wing paramilitary skin head types are not for the US Constitution, lest you go back to Scott v Sanford 1859.

Second, because there is no law against it.

Do you disagree with murder laws? Thou shall not murder being a religious law and all.


Give me ONE law Bush "puts in" from the Bible. Just one.
i said he trys to put them in :sorry:

[ScummyD]

i said he trys to put them in :sorry:
Nope. You did not say that.

You wrote: "he puts in laws from the bible?" :thinking:

And I am asking for you to name ONE. Just one. "He tries to put them in." If there are more than one, "them", then you should be able to name at least one.

Name one. You are writing in glittering generalities that are meaningless. Get specific. Explain in detail these supposed religious laws Bush tries to put in.

[nogoodname90]

Nope. You did not say that.

You wrote: "he puts in laws from the bible?" :thinking:

And I am asking for you to name ONE. Just one. "He tries to put them in." If there are more than one, "them", then you should be able to name at least one.

Name one. You are writing in glittering generalities that are meaningless. Get specific. Explain in detail these supposed religious laws Bush tries to put in.
Ok banning gay marrage, banning abortions?

[ScummyD]

Ok banning gay marrage, banning abortions?
What's your point?

You think this is illegal???

Are you against the illegality of murder since "Thou shall not murder" is a religious law that came just a few days before the US Constitution???

[nogoodname90]

What's your point?

You think this is illegal???

Are you against the illegality of murder since "Thou shall not murder" is a religious law that came just a few days before the US Constitution???
Murder is also moraly wronge. Since the first civlization they said that murder was wronge we didnt need the bible for that.

[ScummyD]

Murder is also moraly wronge. Since the first civlization they said that murder was wronge we didnt need the bible for that.
In other words you can't account for my simple point.

I just nuked your entire argument.

[nogoodname90]

In other words you can't account for my simple point.

I just nuked your entire argument.
You asked "Are you against the illegality of murder since "Thou shall not murder" is a religious law..."I said no but that it isnt just a religious law and that it was a similiar law in every civilization even before the bible people knew it was wronge to kill.

[ScummyD]

You asked "Are you against the illegality of murder since "Thou shall not murder" is a religious law..."I said no but that it isnt just a religious law and that it was a similiar law in every civilization even before the bible people knew it was wronge to kill.
You have no argument.

You simply can't account for the fact that the US Constitution and US laws are modeled after or in the spirit of religious laws.

Game over.

[nogoodname90]

You have no argument.

You simply can't account for the fact that the US Constitution and US laws are modeled after or in the spirit of religious laws.

Game over.
No they are modeled off history. The US Constitution is based of the philosphy of Locke and other philosphers. The law about murder was already their because brittian made it a rule that you cant kill people. Then when they made the United States they still had the law because the mayors of george town and stuff already had the law "Though shall not kill another human being".

[ScummyD]

No they are modeled off history.
Hang it up.

You are dead wrong. You are trying to explain away gaping holes in your argument that simply can't be dismissed for sake of your partisanship.

You have been proven wrong.

Good day.

[nogoodname90]

Your saying just because it says "That thou shall not kill" in the bible that every civilization that said murder was wronge is based on the bible? I didnt know greece was so christian.

[DRMIZER]

Are all Christians on the right and are their more moderate christians? I also wanted to say how come the right are always for the constition but then put in bills that input their views from religon into laws and stuff. How come bush critzies middle eastern countrys for having islamic law but then he puts in laws from the bible?You make a good point. The president should not "endorse" a particular religion. However, in this country, this president was elected on his "marriage" of beliefs.

I'm happy to see the IRS is finally stepping in to withdraw tax-exempt status from some of these preachers of politics.

[nogoodname90]

You make a good point. The president should not "endorse" a particular religion. However, in this country, this president was elected on his "marriage" of beliefs.

I'm happy to see the IRS is finally stepping in to withdraw tax-exempt status from some of these preachers of politics.
The Quran and Torah say though shall not kill does that mean america was based on Muslim Belifes or Jewish belifes?

[IDK]

Are all Christians on the right and are their more moderate christians? I also wanted to say how come the right are always for the constition but then put in bills that input their views from religon into laws and stuff. How come bush critzies middle eastern countrys for having islamic law but then he puts in laws from the bible?

The bible is a book created to give society morality. The Islamic laws denounced by Bush are probably some that you would also oppose, out of a common sense of morality. Are you saying it is wrong for us to act on our morals?

And aside from your generalized assumption about the followers of the largest religion in the world, do you really believe that America is becoming a religious theocracy? Any laws currently in effect that coincide with those found in the Bible do not exist because of religious lawmakers, they exist because the majority of Americans share a common sense of morality. Gay marriage is illegal in most states due to homophobes and ignorance, not just because we have a Catholic president and the Bible says so.

In other words you can't account for my simple point.

I just nuked your entire argument.
Typical conservative, always ready to use a nuke... :D

[cpwill]

Are all Christians on the right and are their more moderate christians?

there are christians of all stripes, john kerry claimed christianity just as george bush did (although kerry had some problems with his church not being so eager to claim him); and there are liberal church leaders just as there are conservative ones. although we would think his social values were conservative today, Martin Luther King Jr. was definitely a liberal for his time. if you want to look at liberal christian writings, start with Donald Miller, or, if you prefer something a bit more politically oriented, try "God's Politics: Why the Right Gets It Wrong and the Left Doesn't Get It" by Jim Wallis. it's basically the christian case for socialism (which is wooly thinking, but oh well), which is what liberalism today has become. on the theologically liberal side, you have only to look at the struggle currently rocking the Episcopalian church over the ordination of gay bishops to see that there are christians on both sides of many issues.
however, one of the core messages of Christianity is that there are absolute rules of Right and Wrong, that there is a Good and Evil in this world, and that is a mindset and assumption that naturally fits in with a conservative mindset more easily, i think, than a liberal one.

I also wanted to say how come the right are always for the constition but then put in bills that input their views from religon into laws and stuff.

well, the founding fathers (who wrote, signed, and got their states to pass the constitution) were also in favor of such things. however, the "religion being passed into law"; you will notice, is pretty daggum broad.

How come bush critzies middle eastern countrys for having islamic law but then he puts in laws from the bible?

he doesn't, although he does claim his christianity as the inspiration for much of the way he views life and humanity. if he starts trying to dictate levitical law (no driving on sunday, no cooking a kid in it's mothers' milk, etc) then you let me know.

[cpwill]

Your saying just because it says "That thou shall not kill" in the bible that every civilization that said murder was wronge is based on the bible? I didnt know greece was so christian.

the closer translation is "thou shalt not murder"; not killing would involve (among other things) not breathing or eating.
and christians don't claim that murder is considered wrong in all societies because all societies read it out of deuteronomy; but because God has put a basic concience, an understanding of some of the basic Laws of Morality into the human makeup.

[JoeR]

there are christians of all stripes, john kerry claimed christianity just as george bush did (although kerry had some problems with his church not being so eager to claim him)

As did Bush, at least regarding Iraq.

"God's Politics: Why the Right Gets It Wrong and the Left Doesn't Get It" by Jim Wallis.

Excellent book.

[brainpan]

Are all Christians on the right and are their more moderate christians?The vast majority of Christians are of the moderate variety.
I also wanted to say how come the right are always for the constition but then put in bills that input their views from religon into laws and stuff.The question is loaded, but I don't have a strong opinion for or against the allegation. So, moving right along...the Constitution has no general prohibition against legislation that is religiously motivated, far as I know.
How come bush critzies middle eastern countrys for having islamic law but then he puts in laws from the bible?You appear to be arguing for the position that a person who opposes abortion for religious reasons could have no legitimate cause to oppose Sharia. I don't understand your reasoning. :confused:

Are you prepared to argue in favor of Sharia, or is your interest limited to criticizing Bush and conservative Christians?