What's your theological worldview? A quiz.

[towski]

You are a classical liberal. You are sceptical about much of the historicity of the Bible, and the most important thing Jesus has done is to set us a good moral example that we are to follow. Doctrines like the trinity and the incarnation are speculative and not really important, and in the face of science and philosophy the surest way we can be certain about God is by our inner awareness of him. Discipleship is expressed by good moral behaviour, but inward religious feeling is most important.

Emergent/Postmodern 61%
Classical Liberal 61%
Evangelical Holiness/Wesleyan 54%
Neo orthodox 50%
Modern Liberal 50%
Roman Catholic 46%
Reformed Evangelical 29%
Charismatic/Pentecostal 25%
Fundamentalist 11%

Take the quiz here:

http://quizfarm.com/test.php?q_id=43870

[mataj]

I'm not nearly enough of a Christian to anwer most of the questions. I'd classify myself as postmodern/emergent.

[FlyingGuineapig]

Roman Catholic 86%
Classical Liberal 75%
Emergent/Postmodern 71%
Evangelical Holiness/Wesleyan 68%
Neo orthodox 61%
Modern Liberal 50%

[brainpan]

I'm not nearly enough of a Christian to anwer most of the questions. I'd classify myself as postmodern/emergent.I tried to take the quiz but arrived at the same conclusion. Ill just fill in the blank: atheist.

[bowerbird]

I came out as post-medern but was expecting

"You are a sodding athieist aren't you? What the bleep are you doing. doing a christian quiz?"

:D

[Izdaari]

You scored as Evangelical Holiness/Wesleyan.

You are an evangelical in the Wesleyan tradition. You believe that God's grace enables you to choose to believe in him, even though you yourself are totally depraved. The gift of the Holy Spirit gives you assurance of your salvation, and he also enables you to live the life of obedience to which God has called us. You are influenced heavly by John Wesley and the Methodists.

Evangelical Holiness/Wesleyan 68%
Reformed Evangelical 61%
Neo orthodox 54%
Emergent/Postmodern 54%
Modern Liberal 50%
Classical Liberal 50%
Charismatic/Pentecostal 46%
Roman Catholic 43%
Fundamentalist 29%

That's news to me. I don't know that much about John Wesley and I've never been a regular at any Methodist church. But it would seem Wesley was my kind of guy, so maybe I'll check him out. :)

[Bassman]

This is where I rated:

Evangelical Holiness/Wesleyan 86%
Reformed Evangelical 71%
Fundamentalist 57%
Neo orthodox 54%
Charismatic/Pentecostal 43%
Emergent/Postmodern 36%
Classical Liberal 14%
Roman Catholic 11%
Modern Liberal 7%

That's interesting. http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/engel/angel-smiley-027.gif

[Democritus]

You are a classical liberal. You are sceptical about much of the historicity of the Bible, and the most important thing Jesus has done is to set us a good moral example that we are to follow. Doctrines like the trinity and the incarnation are speculative and not really important, and in the face of science and philosophy the surest way we can be certain about God is by our inner awareness of him. Discipleship is expressed by good moral behaviour, but inward religious feeling is most important.

Classical Liberal 96%
Emergent/Postmodern 75%
Modern Liberal 71%
Evangelical Holiness/Wesleyan 54%
Neo orthodox 36%
Reformed Evangelical 32%
Roman Catholic 32%
Charismatic/Pentecostal 25%
Fundamentalist 0%

[cpwill]

i got wesleyan as well; which makes sense as i am a methodist:

Evangelical Holiness/Wesleyan 86%
Neo orthodox 79%
Charismatic/Pentecostal 68%
Reformed Evangelical 61%
Emergent/Postmodern 57%
Roman Catholic 54%
Classical Liberal 54%
Fundamentalist 50%
Modern Liberal 50%


half fundamentalist half modern liberal? how does that work?

[Craig]

I'm not nearly enough of a Christian to anwer most of the questions. I'd classify myself as postmodern/emergent.

Given that there are a lot of Catholics who probably don't know what Sola Scriptua is and its significance, I'd tend to agree.

[Meek Heir]

I took the test as honeslty as I could and ended up with a nine way tie for 0%. It then asked me the tie breakers at then end and I think the least contentious (although I thought none of them actually fit) gave me Classic Liberal.

It said, "The Gospels tell us more about the early church than they do about Jesus" which was the only one that did not presume the existance of God. There really does need to be a sodding athiest one.

[AgentM]

There really does need to be a sodding athiest one.

I'd be in the sodding atheist category as well. But here's what I scored as. It sounds about right...if I believed any of this stuff.

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You scored as Classical Liberal.

You are a classical liberal. You are sceptical about much of the historicity of the Bible, and the most important thing Jesus has done is to set us a good moral example that we are to follow. Doctrines like the trinity and the incarnation are speculative and not really important, and in the face of science and philosophy the surest way we can be certain about God is by our inner awareness of him. Discipleship is expressed by good moral behaviour, but inward religious feeling is most important.

Classical Liberal 79%

Emergent/Postmodern 75%

Modern Liberal 57%

Roman Catholic 36%

Evangelical Holiness/Wesleyan 29%

Neo orthodox 21%

Reformed Evangelical 18%

Charismatic/Pentecostal 14%

Fundamentalist 7%

[Sidgaf]

You scored as Classical Liberal.



You are a classical liberal. You are sceptical about much of the historicity of the Bible, and the most important thing Jesus has done is to set us a good moral example that we are to follow. Doctrines like the trinity and the incarnation are speculative and not really important, and in the face of science and philosophy the surest way we can be certain about God is by our inner awareness of him. Discipleship is expressed by good moral behaviour, but inward religious feeling is most important.

Classical Liberal
93%
Emergent/Postmodern
79%
Modern Liberal
64%
Evangelical Holiness/Wesleyan
57%
Roman Catholic
46%
Neo orthodox
43%
Charismatic/Pentecostal
36%
Reformed Evangelical
14%
Fundamentalist
7%

[timlea]

Every time I do one of these Towski quizes . . . I come up with nearly the same result. Are you a long lost brother?

You are Emergent/Postmodern in your theology. You feel alienated from older forms of church, you don't think they connect to modern culture very well. No one knows the whole truth about God, and we have much to learn from each other, and so learning takes place in dialogue. Evangelism should take place in relationships rather than through crusades and altar-calls. People are interested in spirituality and want to ask questions, so the church should help them to do this.

Emergent/Postmodern

79%
Classical Liberal

71%
Modern Liberal

50%
Roman Catholic

46%
Neo orthodox

46%
Charismatic/Pentecostal

39%
Evangelical Holiness/Wesleyan

32%
Reformed Evangelical

18%
Fundamentalist

7%

[brainpan]

You scored as Classical Liberal.Well done, Sidgaf! :)

[serenity]

I agree with a couple of the posters here...there's no place for us unbelievers in that test. I felt compelled to give up part way through, because there was no honest way to answer some of those questions.

[neo of the mind]

I agree with a couple of the posters here...there's no place for us unbelievers in that test. I felt compelled to give up part way through, because there was no honest way to answer some of those questions.

It is a test in regards to theology ya know. Atheists are supposed to be empty of any theology. I can give your summation if they had appropriate questions in there though:

You don't believe there is a God.
100%
Anything else
0%

I know, kind of short isn't it, but what is it that you expect?

[mataj]

It is a test in regards to theology ya know. Atheists are supposed to be empty of any theology. I can give your summation if they had appropriate questions in there though:

You don't believe there is a God.
100%
Anything else
0%

I know, kind of short isn't it, but what is it that you expect?Yea, as a matter if fact- since atheism, as well as liberalism, postmodernism etc aren't theologies, there is no place for them in a test about theological views.

That test indeed doesn't make sense. It sums apples and oranges.

[sub_zer0]

Yea, as a matter if fact- since atheism, as well as liberalism, postmodernism etc aren't theologies, there is no place for them in a test about theological views.

That test indeed doesn't make sense. It sums apples and oranges.

Atheism, liberalism and postmodernism are mockeries of morality.

[brainpan]

Atheism, liberalism and postmodernism are mockeries of morality.Good to know that the philosophy that helped shape America is a "mockery of morality." :rolleyes:

[sub_zer0]

Good to know that the philosophy that helped shape America is a "mockery of morality." :rolleyes:

I know, it is and that is exactly what they did... But of course the main philosophy that shaped America (Judeo-Christianity) are NOT and did NOT!

[brainpan]

I know they are and they did...I see. So do you think liberalism watered-down some supposed pure-God theocratic goodness that the Judeo-Christs had planned for us? Most of the rights guaranteed us in the Constitution find roots in places other than the Bible. Are those rights also mockeries of morality?

[sub_zer0]

I see. So do you think liberalism watered-down some supposed pure-God theocratic goodness that the Judeo-Christs had planned for us? Most of the rights guaranteed us in the Constitution find roots in places other than the Bible. Are those rights also mockeries of morality?

Its good to see you not arguing my main point...

[brainpan]

No point. You haven't made your case that it is true. If you ever want to step up like a man, I'm more than happy to hand your head to you on the field of battle. The floor is yours.

[sub_zer0]

No point. You haven't made your case that it is true. If you ever want to step up like a man, I'm more than happy to hand your head to you on the field of battle. The floor is yours.

Just as I thought, you don't know what my main point is.

But wait a minute... This country wasn't founded by Judeo-Christian values? I hope I don't have to defend well established history.

[mataj]

Atheism, liberalism and postmodernism are mockeries of morality.No. Religion is mockery of morality. And perversion of morality as well.

[Atticus]

Here I am:
You scored as Emergent/Postmodern.

You are Emergent/Postmodern in your theology. You feel alienated from older forms of church, you don't think they connect to modern culture very well. No one knows the whole truth about God, and we have much to learn from each other, and so learning takes place in dialogue. Evangelism should take place in relationships rather than through crusades and altar-calls. People are interested in spirituality and want to ask questions, so the church should help them to do this.

Emergent/Postmodern 93%
Classical Liberal 86%
Modern Liberal 79%
Evangelical Holiness/Wesleyan 57%
Neo orthodox 46%
Roman Catholic 39%
Reformed Evangelical 32%
Fundamentalist 7%
Charismatic/Pentecostal 7%The more certain someone is, the more I tend to doubt them. I guess that's pretty post-modern.

[brainpan]

Just as I thought, you don't know what my main point is.Is that what you REALLY believe? Hmmm. Let's read on.
But wait a minute... This country wasn't founded by Judeo-Christian values?Apparently not, because here you are addressing my challenge to your main point! :lol: :sorry:
I hope I don't have to defend well established history.Enough of the evasions. For the third time now, back up your smack.

[sub_zer0]

Is that what you REALLY believe? Hmmm. Let's read on.
Apparently not, because here you are addressing my challenge to your main point! :lol: :sorry:
Enough of the evasions. For the third time now, back up your smack.

LOL, you dont even get sarcasm let alone my main point. Read a history book.

[brainpan]

LOL, you dont even get sarcasm let alone my main point. Read a history book.Answer the question, leave the discussion, or get reported for trolling.

[sub_zer0]

Answer the question, leave the discussion, or get reported for trolling.

LOL, report me if you want. If you can't rely on established history to further a conversation that is your fault not mine. I could quote founding fathers, or the founding documents that prove my points, but I think you should already know this is all.

[brainpan]

You've been reported and this marks my fifth request that you support your argument. What you are doing now is trolling. I would like to ask that everyone who witnesses this sends in their complaints as well.

[sub_zer0]

You've been reported and this marks my fifth request that you support your argument. What you are doing now is trolling. I request that everyone else who witnesses this sends in their complaints as well.

HEHE, my almost 2000 post and I will be banned for thinking you should know your history? lol whatever

Get your brain off the pan and in your head.

[neo of the mind]

brainpan:

Do you actually want to waste time in arguing the fact that America was influenced by Judeo-Christian values in many ways at it's founding?

Do you just like to argue for arguments sake? I don't think sub is trolling, he just doesn't want to waste his time on something so fundamental as this.

How about if you post a thread stating that Judeo-Christian values had no influence on America's laws and form of government and see how many people agree with you.

[mataj]

Here I am:
The more certain someone is, the more I tend to doubt them. I guess that's pretty post-modern."Post modern" became too much of a buzzword to mean anything meaningful anymore. The key term here is "emergent":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergence

Emergent/Postmodern philosophy, worldview, or --maybe-- a theology if you really want to call it this way, is based on physics, general system/chaos theory, information theory, and evolution theory. It answers the same questions religion used to answer- how the life and universe came into being, and such. Men of god (wrongly) see it as intrusion of science into their turf, and retaliate (quite comically) by intruding into science's turf by the means of Intelligent Design, Creation Theory, and such.

[Atticus]

brainpan:

Do you actually want to waste time in arguing the fact that America was influenced by Judeo-Christian values in many ways at it's founding?I think the point is pretty obvious, too, neo, but debates have a way of breaking down if we don't take the trouble to back up what we say, even if it appears obvious to us. You win arguments with facts and reason, not claims.
Do you just like to argue for arguments sake? I don't think sub is trolling, he just doesn't want to waste his time on something so fundamental as this.On a board like this one, be prepared to defend your position or stay silent. That's the generally accepted rule.
How about if you post a thread stating that Judeo-Christian values had no influence on America's laws and form of government and see how many people agree with you.Nice try, but that's not his obligation. He's knocked the ball into your court--it's your job to return service.

Here's a point or two to get you all off deuce: The original colonies were founded for an number of reasons, but religion was one of them. They none of them accepted non-Christians (and certainly non-Judeo-Christians) before the Revolution. The most religiously open of the colonies, Maryland, accepted Catholics but still restricted its populations to Christians of one sort or another. The founding documents (with the notable exception of the Constitution) mention God often, always using the language and mythology of the Judeo-Christian tradition.

I think even the deists, like Franklin, and the sceptics, like Jefferson, would have found the idea that their traditions weren't Judeo-Christian as a bit odd.

Certainly the notions by which European immigrants took land from the natives was based on the Judeo-Christian idea that God created the world to be named, harnessed, and made productive by humans.

Even the idea of "natural religion" that was popular in the 18th century was a reaction to Judeo-Christian ideas.

The inferiority of women before the law that dominated American jurisprudence until the 20th century was a outgrowth of secondary status given women in Genesis and by St. Paul.

Is that a start, Brainpan? :flowers:

[Atticus]

"Post modern" became too much of a buzzword to mean anything meaningful anymore. The key term here is "emergent":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergence

Emergent/Postmodern philosophy, worldview, or --maybe-- a theology if you really want to call it this way, is based on physics, general system/chaos theory, information theory, and evolution theory. It answers the same questions religion used to answer- how the life and universe came into being, and such. Men of god (wrongly) see it as intrusion of science into their turf, and retaliate (quite comically) by intruding into science's turf by the means of Intelligent Design, Creation Theory, and such.I'd respectfully disagree, first because I don't know enough about science to really understand what your reference says about "emergence," and second because we can define terms rather specifically when we like. By post-modern, I mean constantly in flux, rejecting any "ultimate authority." Maybe "anti-foundational" would be a more acceptable term?

[brainpan]

Is that a start, Brainpan? :flowers:An excellent beginning. :)

[Craig]

Atheism, liberalism and postmodernism are mockeries of morality.

Sub Zero, I don't even think you know what post-modernism means, so to pass it off as a mockery of morality is a bit hasty, to say the least. Or do you have a definition for it, and one that's your own?

[mataj]

I'd respectfully disagree, first because I don't know enough about science to really understand what your reference says about "emergence," and second because we can define terms rather specifically when we like. By post-modern, I mean constantly in flux, rejecting any "ultimate authority." Maybe "anti-foundational" would be a more acceptable term?Towski's quiz clearly says "Emergent/Postmodern". The way I understand it (mostly from this book (http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/0735619654/202-9302563-6512621?v=glance&n=266239) & my own pondering)- if Postmodernism has any solid philosophical foundation, it's Emergence. In any case, is pretty important here, and you can't just dismiss it, only because it's too scientific for you.

[Atticus]

Towski's quiz clearly says "Emergent/Postmodern". The way I understand it (mostly from this book (http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/0735619654/202-9302563-6512621?v=glance&n=266239) & my own pondering)- if Postmodernism has any solid philosophical foundation, it's Emergence. In any case, is pretty important here, and you can't just dismiss it, only because it's too scientific for you.I don't doubt that, but my comments were not an interpretation of the quiz but of my own theological worldview, on which I am, I hope, somewhat expert. And I don't think I dismissed it--I only took exception to your insisting I interpret my own views through a lens I don't understand. Why is that a problem?

[JD3]

You scored as Roman Catholic.



You are Roman Catholic. Church tradition and ecclesial authority are hugely important, and the most important part of worship for you is mass. As the Mother of God, Mary is important in your theology, and as the communion of saints includes the living and the dead, you can also ask the saints to intercede for you.

Roman Catholic 82%

Modern Liberal 64%

Evangelical Holiness/Wesleyan 64%

Emergent/Postmodern 64%

Classical Liberal 61%

Reformed Evangelical 54%

Neo orthodox 50%

Charismatic/Pentecostal 39%

Fundamentalist 11%

[mataj]

I don't doubt that, but my comments were not an interpretation of the quiz but of my own theological worldview, on which I am, I hope, somewhat expert. And I don't think I dismissed it--I only took exception to your insisting I interpret my own views through a lens I don't understand. Why is that a problem?You said:

The more certain someone is, the more I tend to doubt them. I guess that's pretty post-modern.That might be postmodern as far as I'm concerned, but not emergent.

Emergence is basically about forming complex structures without guiding intelligence and/or central authority, World Wide Web for example.

[ukangel]

You scored as Evangelical Holiness/Wesleyan.



You are an evangelical in the Wesleyan tradition. You believe that God's grace enables you to choose to believe in him, even though you yourself are totally depraved. The gift of the Holy Spirit gives you assurance of your salvation, and he also enables you to live the life of obedience to which God has called us. You are influenced heavly by John Wesley and the Methodists.

Evangelical Holiness/Wesleyan

75%
Fundamentalist

71%
Reformed Evangelical

61%
Neo orthodox

57%
Emergent/Postmodern

54%
Modern Liberal

46%
Charismatic/Pentecostal

46%
Classical Liberal

36%
Roman Catholic

11%

[serenity]

Atheism, liberalism and postmodernism are mockeries of morality.

You know, my atheism is not a mockery of morality. It is, at least, equal with a morality that claims faith in a blood god is more important than your actions on earth. I don't think that's too outrageous a claim.