God's pronouncement and Jacobs/Moses blessings

[neo of the mind]

Any thoughts from Christians in regards to the blessing Moses made in regards to the tribes in Deuteronomy 33 and Jacob made in Genesis 49?

Jacob states that the sceptre shall not depart from Judah. God stated that David's throne would be established forever in 2 Sam 7:16.

http://asis.com/~stag/royalty.html

[sub_zer0]

Any thoughts from Christians in regards to the blessing Moses made in regards to the tribes in Deuteronomy 33 and Jacob made in Genesis 49?

Jacob states that the sceptre shall not depart from Judah. God stated that David's throne would be established forever in 2 Sam 7:16.

33:2-5 Moses gave the Israelites the Law, God being described as, "king in Jeshurun" which literally means, "king in righteous nation". God intended Israel to be a righteous nation through their following of the word of God or at that time, the Law.

I would have to say that special attention is given to Joseph as well as his sons, Ephraim and Manasseh.

[Nuke the Oil]

Ummm, that website is crazy. Why is there a Welsh Demigod in Jesus' family tree?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bran_the_Blessed
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Llyr

Not to mention King Arthur. Robin Hood is missing though, I'm disappointed!

Oh well, I suppose Jesus is in the same pseudohistorical la-la land as King Arthur.

[Dangerrmouse]

Why not? It's a very inclusive religion....

[neo of the mind]

Ummm, that website is crazy. Why is there a Welsh Demigod in Jesus' family tree?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bran_the_Blessed
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Llyr

Not to mention King Arthur. Robin Hood is missing though, I'm disappointed!

Oh well, I suppose Jesus is in the same pseudohistorical la-la land as King Arthur.


The basis of my link was just to introduce the idea that there is currently royalty and that they are in fullfillment of scripture and promise? The lineage map in this link being 100% accurate is not a neccesity of the premise nor refutes it.

[neo of the mind]

Why not? It's a very inclusive religion....

This is a serious discussion that I would like to have. If you don't want to have a serious discussion about it, please just ignore the thread and move on.

[neo of the mind]

33:2-5 Moses gave the Israelites the Law, God being described as, "king in Jeshurun" which literally means, "king in righteous nation". God intended Israel to be a righteous nation through their following of the word of God or at that time, the Law.

I would have to say that special attention is given to Joseph as well as his sons, Ephraim and Manasseh.

That is true. Some say that America is representative of Manasseh and Ephraim being Britain.

[burntgorilla]

This is a serious discussion that I would like to have. If you don't want to have a serious discussion about it, please just ignore the thread and move on.

To be honest, I'm siding with neo of the mind here. We want them to stay out of scientific debates, so it's not really fair to piss about in a religious thread.

It looks quite interesting though, but I would have thought that having an accurate family tree here would have been of paramount importance.

Edit: It's a move on God's part. 2500 years ago God sent Jeremiah to Ireland to establish the educational system that would weather the Satanic Ignorance of the Dark Ages, and provide a foundation for our modern level of education. Who still has the best schools today? The Irish.

Hah! Has he been to any Irish schools?

The Romans were also aware of Ireland, something he denies towards the end.

[neo of the mind]

To be honest, I'm siding with neo of the mind here. We want them to stay out of scientific debates, so it's not really fair to piss about in a religious thread.

It looks quite interesting though, but I would have thought that having an accurate family tree here would have been of paramount importance.

Edit:

Hah! Has he been to any Irish schools?

The Romans were also aware of Ireland, something he denies towards the end.

Again, the link's purpose was only to establish an outside source of the premise. I have made a mistake of posting a link because as usual, people on this forum would rather nit pick things versus discussing the idea that is presented.

This forum is a Religion & Philosophy forum, so even though scientific information is brought up, SCIENCE is not the focus, nor should be in this forum. If you want to discuss things that are strictly science, then get another forum and call it Science if you want the discussion to be constrained to that.

[Dangerrmouse]

... This forum is a Religion & Philosophy forum, so even though scientific information is brought up, SCIENCE is not the focus, nor should be in this forum. ...

From Dictionary.com

philosophy

n 1: a belief (or system of beliefs) accepted as authoritative by some group or school [syn: doctrine, philosophical system, school of thought, ism]
2: the rational investigation of questions about existence and knowledge and ethics
3: any personal belief about how to live or how to deal with a situation; "self-indulgence was his only philosophy"; "my father's philosophy of child-rearing was to let mother do it"


Source: WordNet ® 2.0, © 2003 Princeton University

#'s 1 and 3 do not exclude Science, whilst # 2 positively demands its inclusion....

[neo of the mind]

From Dictionary.com

philosophy

n 1: a belief (or system of beliefs) accepted as authoritative by some group or school [syn: doctrine, philosophical system, school of thought, ism]
2: the rational investigation of questions about existence and knowledge and ethics
3: any personal belief about how to live or how to deal with a situation; "self-indulgence was his only philosophy"; "my father's philosophy of child-rearing was to let mother do it"


Source: WordNet ® 2.0, © 2003 Princeton University

#'s 1 and 3 do not exclude Science, whilst # 2 positively demands its inclusion....

So what. I didn't say that this forum excludes science just that not everything posted on this forum needs to be a "scientific" debate. Example, I make a post with a general idea and the idea is not discussed but one thing in my statement that is pointed out as being in error is focused on to death and the point of the discussion in never realized.

[burntgorilla]

Again, the link's purpose was only to establish an outside source of the premise. I have made a mistake of posting a link because as usual, people on this forum would rather nit pick things versus discussing the idea that is presented.

This forum is a Religion & Philosophy forum, so even though scientific information is brought up, SCIENCE is not the focus, nor should be in this forum. If you want to discuss things that are strictly science, then get another forum and call it Science if you want the discussion to be constrained to that.

But surely the little details are the importants bits? After all, if you're attempting to make a link to the modern day royal family, you need to be pretty damn sure you're right.

[neo of the mind]

But surely the little details are the importants bits? After all, if you're attempting to make a link to the modern day royal family, you need to be pretty damn sure you're right.


First: I stated "Any thoughts from Christians" in the first post.

Second: It is understandable that the historical data in regards to the early period of the monarchies of England/Scotland/Germany and France are light....the idea, which is the focus of my point in the BEGINNING of the discussion, doesn't rely on this, to be discussed or for validation. The details will be discussed as the progression of the topic goes forward.

but as usual, the focus of the topic is squashed and side tracked before it even begins.

[burntgorilla]

First: I stated "Any thoughts from Christians" in the first post.

Second: It is understandable that the historical data in regards to the early period of the monarchies of England/Scotland/Germany and France are light....the idea, which is the focus of my point in the BEGINNING of the discussion, doesn't rely on this, to be discussed or for validation. The details will be discussed as the progression of the topic goes forward.

but as usual, the focus of the topic is squashed and side tracked before it even begins.

I'm sorry, I was actually honestly trying to discuss this. Your discussion with sub_zer0 didn't seem to be going anywhere.

[neo of the mind]

I'm sorry, I was actually honestly trying to discuss this. Your discussion with sub_zer0 didn't seem to be going anywhere.

So on top of deciding what is valid proof for others, you can decide the merits of other people's discussions.

[burntgorilla]

So on top of deciding what is valid proof for others, you can decide the merits of other people's discussions.

Hmm, you do have a bee in your bonnet, don't you? I merely said that to me it didn't seem to be going anywhere. Do calm down. I genuinely was interested in learning about what you had to say, crossing the divide, so to speak, but evidently I'm wasting my time.

[neo of the mind]

Hmm, you do have a bee in your bonnet, don't you? I merely said that to me it didn't seem to be going anywhere. Do calm down. I genuinely was interested in learning about what you had to say, crossing the divide, so to speak, but evidently I'm wasting my time.


Nice job in marginalizing my response. It would be effective if I gave a hoot. But since I don't.

[Dangerrmouse]

The basis of my link was just to introduce the idea that there is currently royalty and that they are in fullfillment of scripture and promise? The lineage map in this link being 100% accurate is not a neccesity of the premise nor refutes it.

Like Jesus' lineage map?

The House of Windsor (actually Saxe-Gotha) was imported wholesale from Germany when the UK had a royalty shortage.

[melchizedek22]

That is true. Some say that America is representative of Manasseh and Ephraim being Britain.

America has some of every tribe of Israel,and probably ever tribe that
survived the flood! We are a melting Pot

[neo of the mind]

Like Jesus' lineage map?

The House of Windsor (actually Saxe-Gotha) was imported wholesale from Germany when the UK had a royalty shortage.

All the Kings of Europe are intertwined, so what.

[neo of the mind]

America has some of every tribe of Israel,and probably ever tribe that
survived the flood! We are a melting Pot

What are your thoughts on the scriptures I cited?

[Dangerrmouse]

America has some of every tribe of Israel,and probably ever tribe that survived the flood! We are a melting Pot

Two myths in one sentence? (The tribes are possible.)

[Bassman]

Neo, what you are referring to is Anglo-Israelism, which was touted heavily by Herbert W. Armstrong and the (old) worldwide Church of God. All scriptural references do not point to European or North American lineage to Christ, nor are any of the twelve tribes located in these areas.

[sub_zer0]

Neo, what you are referring to is Anglo-Israelism, which was touted heavily by Herbert W. Armstrong and the (old) worldwide Church of God. All scriptural references do not point to European or North American lineage to Christ, nor are any of the twelve tribes located in these areas.

True, and I would stay far away from Herbert W. Armstrong.

[Bassman]

As for the WWCOG, they've made a remarkable recovery of repentance and econciliation, and are now recognized as a thouroughly legitimate ministry.

[sub_zer0]

As for the WWCOG, they've made a remarkable recovery of repentance and econciliation, and are now recognized as a thouroughly legitimate ministry.

I still consider it a cult of Christianity.

[Bassman]

Not from what I've seen, read, and heard. What you may be referring to are the splinter groups that have broken off, especially the main one founded by Herbert's son, Garner Ted. A great reference on this very subject is a book written by the late Dr. Walter R. Martin titled: The Kingdom of the Cults Great read!!

[neo of the mind]

Neo, what you are referring to is Anglo-Israelism, which was touted heavily by Herbert W. Armstrong and the (old) worldwide Church of God. All scriptural references do not point to European or North American lineage to Christ, nor are any of the twelve tribes located in these areas.

I know what it is and isn't. Anglo-Israelism was before Armstrong.

Scripture can not be broken, there are numerous prophesies, statements made by God that corespond to the fact that the lost tribes of Israel settled in Europe mainly. The blessings bestowed upon the tribes are found in Europe and America. The words spoken of other nations are also found today. Like the link states, which I agree with, their were conditional promises and unconditional promises made by God. He doesn't break them.

I gave two scripture references, we could discuss those or you could just say I am wrong and move on, your choice.

[Dangerrmouse]

Do you seriously believe the Glastonbury nonsense?

[neo of the mind]

I gave two scripture references. Do you want to discuss those first or would you rather travel 1000 miles down the road and discuss something without a foundation established? Because if you do, this discussion will lead nowhere as usual.

I would also add that the reason why I posted in limiting the discussion between Christians, is because it deals with the promises made in scripture and how those promises are fullfilled. If you don't believe the Bible is true, then the discussion will be moot.

[Dangerrmouse]

Where does the bible mention international tours to Glastonbury?

[Bassman]

It doesn't. Anglo-Israelism attempt to connect the Jewish race to Anglo-Saxons, which is patently false. Any Christian apologist will tell you that. To say nothing of taking scripture out of context.

[neo of the mind]

It doesn't. Anglo-Israelism attempt to connect the Jewish race to Anglo-Saxons, which is patently false. Any Christian apologist will tell you that. To say nothing of taking scripture out of context.


I guess you would rather have a discussion on opinion, then the scripture I cited or you think God lied, which is it?

[Dangerrmouse]

I guess you would rather have a discussion on opinion, then the scripture I cited or you think God lied, which is it?

This is a classic false dichotomy.

Your original link claims that Constantine was born in England, of an English mother. What rubbish!

As for his championing of the cause, not so.

http://www.earlychurch.org.uk/constantine.php

[sub_zer0]

Not from what I've seen, read, and heard. What you may be referring to are the splinter groups that have broken off, especially the main one founded by Herbert's son, Garner Ted. A great reference on this very subject is a book written by the late Dr. Walter R. Martin titled: The Kingdom of the Cults Great read!!

Right on, if your talking "Kingdom of the Cults" your educated on the subject, I haven't personally read the entire book, browsed it however. Walter Martin was a strong man for God.