New $25 million Creation Museum being built

[The Big Bog]

Are you like me? Do you come out of most conventional museums these days thinking, “Man, what a bunch of liberal hooey”?

That’s why I can’t wait for the 2007 gala opening of this more fair and balanced museum:

Like most natural history museums, this one has exhibits showing dinosaurs roaming the Earth. Except here, the giant reptiles share the forest with Adam and Eve.

That, of course, is contradicted by science, but that's the point of the $25 million Creation Museum rising fast in rural Kentucky.

Its inspiration is the Bible -- the literal interpretation that contends God created the heavens and the Earth and everything in them just a few thousand years ago.

"If the Bible is the word of God, and its history really is true, that's our presupposition or axiom, and we are starting there," museum founder Ken Ham said during recent tour of the sleek and modern facility, which is due to open next year.

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Here (http://www.answersingenesis.org/museum/about.asp)'s their website, which provides an endless stream of information on the project's construction and a sneak peek of what's to come!

And to think that it’s all going to be just an hour’s drive from my home, which of course means I’ll have to buy a lifetime membership. God, I'm so lucky. Is that great or what?

[mataj]

I wander if they are going to display this biblical guy riding triceratops

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/5002/5002_01.asp

(scroll down to 13th image)

[JoeR]

Is this done by that same moron and tax cheat down in Florida?

EDIT: No it's not. This one sounds it'll be more sophisticated than that one, but the inherent problems with creationism not being science still remain.

[julierep]

I think it would be pretty cool to visit. I would find it very interesting. I would also like to think that most people would regardless their belief of the Bible.

[Meek Heir]

I think it would be pretty cool to visit. I would find it very interesting. I would also like to think that most people would regardless their belief of the Bible.

What are you smoking? Irregardless of their belief in the Bible they will find it as interesting as any other museum, which is to say NOT AT ALL!

(Kidding, I like the occasional museum visit.)

[The Big Bog]

I wander if they are going to display this biblical guy riding triceratops

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/5002/5002_01.asp

(scroll down to 13th image)

I love Janet's epiphany down near the end of the cartoon: "GASP ... my professors lied to me!" It always upsets me to see the rug yanked out from under people's feet that way.

But ... she was wicked.

[The Big Bog]

I think it would be pretty cool to visit. I would find it very interesting. I would also like to think that most people would regardless their belief of the Bible.

Well if you're ever in Louisville give me a call and we'll ride up together sometime. Like I said, it's only an hour's drive from here. I'm sort of curious myself. I wonder if they have a cocktail lounge.

[neo of the mind]

Yes, let's all jump in our Saab's, drive hundreds of miles, in order to make fun of people and their beliefs. We don't have anything better to do.

[DRMIZER]

Are you like me? Do you come out of most conventional museums these days thinking, “Man, what a bunch of liberal hooey”?

Just curious. What bunch of liberal museums are you referring to?

[Craig]

I must say, "The huge plates beneath this planet's surface shattered, creating mountains" is one of the most geologically interesting explanations I've heard for orogenesis.

Speaking of which, and I've said this before, but why does Chick neglect to mention that the process of orogenesis can result in the upthrusting of material from the sea floor onto mountain tops, creating the fossils he claims are from the Flood?

[Craig]

Speaking of which, if we're going to do museums that have "Religion X's take on history", why don't we do one that tells the stories of the Bhagavad Gita, the Ramayana, and the Mahabharata?

[JoeR]

"Creation Myths from Around the World" would be a fascinating museum exhibit.

[towski]

Am I the only one who wonders how many people could be clothed, fed, or otherwise assisted with $25 million dollars?

[steveksux]

Am I the only one who wonders how many people could be clothed, fed, or otherwise assisted with $25 million dollars?The good shepherd does not neglect to fleece his flock.

Randy

[brainpan]

Praise! Glory!

[Riddley]

"Creation Myths from Around the World" would be a fascinating museum exhibit.
I agree JoeR.
What gets to me most about this is prompted by the Chick cartoons.
Religion can be an inspiring and wholly positive force in peoples lives. Maybe gives people the will and dedication to accomplish incredibly difficult tasks. The ideas behind religion, such as love for fellow man, justice for all and tolerance and respect for others are the best that humankind has found so far. So the arguments and ideas in the Chick stories are irrelevant. The twisting and turning around the fossil record is uncalled for nonsence.
I'll listen if there is talk of a philosphical nature concerning the nature of our existence but this other stuff is not worth the time to listen. Yes, it may be the Bible is not quite right in the times and dates of things happening, yes dinosaurs and men may not have co-existed. How does that affect the essential message of peace and love? It may not matter that the Bible is historically accurate, the essential message is the important bit.

[Alvin T. Grey]

Am I the only one who wonders how many people could be clothed, fed, or otherwise assisted with $25 million dollars?
Yes but look at the cost like this. $25 Million for seven days work....Who's building it? Halliburton?

[The Big Bog]

Yes, let's all jump in our Saab's, drive hundreds of miles, in order to make fun of people and their beliefs. We don't have anything better to do.

Is that any worse than creationists who go to all the time and expense of lobbying state legislators to try get education laws changed to where their beliefs are injected into science classrooms?

[neo of the mind]

It was obvious that this was just one more Christian bashing thread.

[Strel]

It was obvious that this was just one more Christian bashing thread.



Except that these boobs that believe that dinosaurs and humans coexisted don't represent all Christians.

This is more of a willful ignorance and dishonesty bashing thread.

[neo of the mind]

as the bashing continues....

[towski]

as the bashing continues....

I have bashed nothing. I asked the question as to whether or not this money could be better spent.

[Strel]

Im just pointing out an offensive generalization. Not all Christians believe this utter nonsense.

[neo of the mind]

I have bashed nothing. I asked the question as to whether or not this money could be better spent.

Calling people willfully ignorant, dishonest boobs is bashing.

Sugar coat it all you want...this threads purpose was for mockery and so it continues.

[The Big Bog]

It was obvious that this was just one more Christian bashing thread.

Not Chrisitians--just the strident creationist Christians. I reserve the right to poke fun of anything that isn't true.

Otherwise people could claim anything and we'd all have to "respect" their belief to believe in the ridiculous.

[Strel]

Calling people willfully ignorant, dishonest boobs is bashing.

Sugar coat it all you want...this threads purpose was for mockery and so it continues.



Not if they are willfully ignorant, dishonest boobs it isn't. The only offensive thing going on here is your attempt to say that "Christians" in general fall into this category. Most Christians don't believe this crap.

[The Big Bog]

Neo, so are you telling us that you have never ever poked fun of nor never ever criticized the beliefs of ... say, Scientologists? .... Branch Davidians? .... Muslims?

[neo of the mind]

Neo, so are you telling us that you have never ever poked fun of nor never ever criticized the beliefs of ... say, Scientologists? .... Branch Davidians? .... Muslims?

I don't recall ever poking fun at these groups. I disagree with a lot of religious thought and speak to that in a serious manner, but mocking people and poking fun at them pretty much ened when I became an adult.

[Strel]

I don't recall ever poking fun at these groups. I disagree with a lot of religious thought and speak to that in a serious manner, but mocking people and poking fun at them pretty much ened when I became an adult.

No, instead you just tell them that they are going to Hell.

That's more "mature" than pointing out their mistakes of logic or misrepresentations of facts.

[The Big Bog]

I don't recall ever poking fun at these groups. I disagree with a lot of religious thought and speak to that in a serious manner, but mocking people and poking fun at them pretty much ened when I became an adult.
So when you grew up you lost your sense of humor? Bummer.

Actually I was just getting ready to edit my last two posts to make it clear that my whole "poking fun of" angle is substantively aimed. I agree it's best not to make generalized statements nor stereotype groups based on religion alone. We're free to believe what we want. But I also think that it's healthy for these beliefs to be challenged, especially when there are so many movements afoot from people wanting to alter our laws based on those religious beliefs.

[towski]

Calling people willfully ignorant, dishonest boobs is bashing.

Sugar coat it all you want...this threads purpose was for mockery and so it continues.

Oh, once again, I anxiously await your quoting me saying that. Please Please Please please.

So, essentially what you're telling me is that you can't or won't answer my question.

[neo of the mind]

No, instead you just tell them that they are going to Hell.

That's more "mature" than pointing out their mistakes of logic or misrepresentations of facts.

Which I have yet to read any Christian on here pronounce to anyone.
Keep mocking people if you enjoy it, just don't expect people to think it's appropriate.

[neo of the mind]

Oh, once again, I anxiously await your quoting me saying that. Please Please Please please.

So, essentially what you're telling me is that you can't or won't answer my question.


I didn't quote you or said I quoted you. If you read my post, it was a summarization of quotes from another poster. That being said, this thread is to make fun of Christians and the orignal poster was honest enough to state as much.

[towski]

I didn't quote you or said I quoted you. If you read my post, it was a summarization of quotes from another poster. That being said, this thread is to make fun of Christians and the orignal poster was honest enough to state as much.

So, once again, couldn't tht 25 million be better spent helping the poor?

[The Big Bog]

That being said, this thread is to make fun of Christians and the orignal poster was honest enough to state as much.

Not Chrisitians--just the strident creationist Christians. I reserve the right to poke fun of anything that isn't true.

Actually I was just getting ready to edit my last two posts to make it clear that my whole "poking fun of" angle is substantively aimed. I agree it's best not to make generalized statements nor stereotype groups based on religion alone. We're free to believe what we want. But I also think that it's healthy for these beliefs to be challenged ...

Are we having a problem with reading comprehension today?

[FlyingGuineapig]

So, once again, couldn't tht 25 million be better spent helping the poor?
The poor will always be with us.

However, a biblical guy riding triceratops will be around for a limited-time only, unless we give generously.

:D

[Strel]

Which I have yet to read any Christian on here pronounce to anyone.
Keep mocking people if you enjoy it, just don't expect people to think it's appropriate.


You will see no apology from me for mocking the dishonest or those that use extortion to market their beliefs.

[neo of the mind]

Are we having a problem with reading comprehension today?

No. I said Christians. Those people that you are making fun of, are Christians. My statement is not false.

[Strel]

No. I said Christians. Those people that you are making fun of, are Christians. My statement is not false.


Your statement is misleading. The Big Bog and I are not talking about Christians in general. We are talking about uneducated kooks.

[neo of the mind]

You will see no apology from me for mocking the dishonest or those that use extortion to market their beliefs.

That was a given. I don't expect you to apologize for anything you do wrong, because you are never wrong.

[Strel]

That was a given. I don't expect you to apologize for anything you do wrong, because you are never wrong.

Is it wrong to mock the dishonest, or extortionists? Because that is what I was talking about. Not what you said above. You like to respond to my posts, but you are rarely actually responsive.

I consider every little post like this of yours the same as you waving a little white flag.

[neo of the mind]

Your statement is misleading. The Big Bog and I are not talking about Christians in general. We are talking about uneducated kooks.


"The Big Bog and I are not talking about Christians in general."

Nor was I. They are Christians and whom I am refering to.

"uneducated kooks." - you continue to make generalities, which are bashing in nature and not supported. Do you know the education levels of the people involved in this project? That's what I thought.

[neo of the mind]

Is it wrong to mock the dishonest, or extortionists? Because that is what I was talking about. Not what you said above. You like to respond to my posts, but you are rarely actually responsive.

I consider every little post like this of yours the same as you waving a little white flag.

You have failed thus far to make your case in a rational manner with any substance, just more bashing. Game over.

[Strel]

"The Big Bog and I are not talking about Christians in general."

Nor was I. They are Christians and whom I am refering to.

"uneducated kooks." - you continue to make generalities, which are bashing in nature.

Believing that dinosaurs lived at the same time as man is uneducated.
Going so far as to actively promote the idea is kooky.

Ergo they are uneducated kooks, that represent a minority of Christians. So your "accusation" that myself and others are "bashing Christianity" is false, misleading, and just another in a long series of straw-man arguments we have seen from you over the past few weeks.

Generalities? Oh no, I am being quite specific. These people give their religion, their culture, their nation and their species a bad name. Who could be more deserving of ridicule than that?

[::Major_Baker::]

can this really be called a museum?

[Strel]

You have failed thus far to make your case in a rational manner with any substance, just more bashing. Game over.



Permit me to translate: http://static.flickr.com/17/19934989_bbe88e0232_m.jpg

[towski]

Howdy.

If we could, I'd really like to maintain a civil atmosphere in this thread, as opposed to all of the other threads in the religion forum.

Thanks in advance for your cooperation.

Towski

PS: I don't need to hear who started it, etc. I can follow a thread just like everyone else. No need for accusations, just a change in tone will do fine.

[brainpan]

can this really be called a museum?Probably not in traditional sense. Maybe kook's museum or emporium of the confused and deranged would be better terms. Hmmm.

[Strel]

Just calling a spade a spade. Perhaps I should be less descriptive?

[The Big Bog]

can this really be called a museum?

mu·se·um n. A building, place, or institution devoted to the acquisition, conservation, study, exhibition, and educational interpretation of objects having scientific, historical, or artistic value.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=MUSEUM

:shrug: Doesn't look like it to me. I'd still like to see it though.

[towski]

Ho hum. Couldn't the $25 million be better spent by Christians?

[::Major_Baker::]

Ok, I guess we could align this with museums such as this:
http://www.roadsideamerica.com/attract/MNMINmed.html

[Riddley]

There's a guy in the South Island who has a barbed wire museum, he can join in too!

[neo of the mind]

Believing that dinosaurs lived at the same time as man is uneducated.
Going so far as to actively promote the idea is kooky.

Ergo they are uneducated kooks, that represent a minority of Christians. So your "accusation" that myself and others are "bashing Christianity" is false, misleading, and just another in a long series of straw-man arguments we have seen from you over the past few weeks.

Generalities? Oh no, I am being quite specific. These people give their religion, their culture, their nation and their species a bad name. Who could be more deserving of ridicule than that?

I did not say you were bashing "Christianity", I said you were bashing Christians. The Christians you are bashing that are a part of establishing this museum.

Like I said, you can bash people all you want, that does not mean it will be accepted as appropriate.

[The Big Bog]

Ho hum. Couldn't the $25 million be better spent by Christians?

Okay, I'll play devil's ... er, I mean Jesus' advocate for a moment ...

By erecting ... er, I mean constructing a Christian museum you are arousing ... er, I mean piquing interest in Christianity and its teachings in a hands-on ... er, I mean tactile way, thereby enticing ... er, I mean encouraging membership. As membership rosters swell ... er, I mean grow, so does peace and good will toward men, climaxing ... er, I mean culminating in a perfect society.

[neo of the mind]

Ho hum. Couldn't the $25 million be better spent by Christians?

as you can read, this thread has degenerated further into the tunnel of mockery and bashing of Christians...so there is no point in continuing here.
I will start another thread and hopefully this type of behaviour will not carry over, but history so far on this forum shows that it will.

[::Major_Baker::]

I did not say you were bashing "Christianity", I said you were bashing Christians. The Christians you are bashing that are a part of establishing this museum.

Like I said, you can bash people all you want, that does not mean it will be accepted as appropriate.

I accept it. These people (the ones building the museum)are attempting to dispell decades upon decades of science, studied by people of all nations, in the name of jesus.

[::Major_Baker::]

as you can read, this thread has degenerated further into the tunnel of mockery and bashing of Christians...so there is no point in continuing here.
I will start another thread and hopefully this type of behaviour will not carry over, but history so far on this forum shows that it will.

why are you so sensitive? If you truly believe all that stuff written in the bible, that should be all you need, and you should be comfortable about it.

Quit playing the 'victim.'

[steveksux]

Probably not in traditional sense. Maybe kook's museum or emporium of the confused and deranged would be better terms. Hmmm.That won't work. In this case the patrons are also the exhibits. In real museums there's a clear demarcation between the patrons and the exhibits.

Randy

[prst31]

What I'm going to need everyone to do...is FOCUS!
It wasn't too long ago, that I recall a book about dinasours never existing. The idea being, carbon dating is inacurate--the earth isn't that old.
I'd like to understand the change in thought (without bashing).

[steveksux]

I did not say you were bashing "Christianity", I said you were bashing Christians. The Christians you are bashing that are a part of establishing this museum.

Like I said, you can bash people all you want, that does not mean it will be accepted as appropriate.This is crazy talk.

This is like saying you can't bash pedophile priests because it would be bashing Christians.

People reap what they sow. Embrace medieval mockworthy beliefs, you can't expect to not be mocked. :shrug: That's how mocking is supposed to work. Mocking the handicapped, mocking for something you're born with and cannot help is abuse of mocking. Mocking people for crazy ideas they willingly embrace is entirely appropriate. Indeed, it is precisely what mockery aspires to be in its finer moments.

Randy

[Meek Heir]

mu·se·um n. A building, place, or institution devoted to the acquisition, conservation, study, exhibition, and educational interpretation of objects having scientific, historical, or artistic value.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=MUSEUM

:shrug: Doesn't look like it to me. I'd still like to see it though.

Now here you are wrong, this museum is a building devoted to the acquisition, conservation, study and exhibition of objects having historical and artistic value. A museum it is.

[brainpan]

That won't work. In this case the patrons are also the exhibits. In real museums there's a clear demarcation between the patrons and the exhibits.

RandyAn excellent point, that; and one I somehow overlooked. Maybe the whole thing could be wrapped in plexiglass.

[brainpan]

Now here you are wrong, this museum is a building devoted to the acquisition, conservation, study and exhibition of objects having historical and artistic value. A museum it is.Keeping in mind that the patrons are also part of the exibit, as Randy pointed out.:D

[Meek Heir]

I did not say you were bashing "Christianity", I said you were bashing Christians. The Christians you are bashing that are a part of establishing this museum.

And if I were to say "My brother is a retard." I would be bashing an atheist. But his lack of religious belief is not important to the statement.

[Meek Heir]

Keeping in mind that the patrons are also part of the exibit, as Randy pointed out.:D

I don't think that patrons have much historical or artistic value.

[steveksux]

Now here you are wrong, this museum is a building devoted to the acquisition, conservation, study and exhibition of objects having historical and artistic value. A museum it is.So does superstition have historical value? Or are you hoping to squeeze it into the artistic category? If this was a museum of creation myths of the world, it might qualify. It appears that these people are serious about this, as shocking as it may seem, they seem to really believe this stuff...

Randy

[brainpan]

And if I were to say "My brother is a retard." I would be bashing an atheist. But his lack of religious belief is not important to the statement.I suspect neo's difficulty with terms owes to a certain sympathy for the people building the museum.

[neo of the mind]

This is crazy talk.

This is like saying you can't bash pedophile priests because it would be bashing Christians.

People reap what they sow. Embrace medieval mockworthy beliefs, you can't expect to not be mocked. :shrug: That's how mocking is supposed to work. Mocking the handicapped, mocking for something you're born with and cannot help is abuse of mocking. Mocking people for crazy ideas they willingly embrace is entirely appropriate. Indeed, it is precisely what mockery aspires to be in its finer moments.

Randy

To each his own, have at it if it is entertaining to you.

[Meek Heir]

So does superstition have historical value? Or are you hoping to squeeze it into the artistic category? If this was a museum of creation myths of the world, it might qualify. It appears that these people are serious about this, as shocking as it may seem, they seem to really believe this stuff...

Randy

Believeing things in spite of facts has both historical and artistic value. The artistry of their contortions around logic are important. And historically people have been believeing things that are impossible for centuries. I might even be able to fit science in through some psychology, but then the patrons would really be part of the exhibit.

[brainpan]

...but then the patrons would really be part of the exhibit.:D ......

[Strel]

I did not say you were bashing "Christianity", I said you were bashing Christians. The Christians you are bashing that are a part of establishing this museum.

Like I said, you can bash people all you want, that does not mean it will be accepted as appropriate.



Same argument. Our objections to these person's fraudulent and kooky museum is based on the fact that it is fraudulent and kooky. That they call themselves Christians is incidental. Our criticism of them doesn't have a thing to do with Jesus Henry Christ.

[neo of the mind]

Same argument. Our objections to these person's fraudulent and kooky museum is based on the fact that it is fraudulent and kooky. That they call themselves Christians is incidental. Our criticism of them doesn't have a thing to do with Jesus Henry Christ.

It's a given that Jesus Christ has nothing to do with your criticism.

[Strel]

It's a given that Jesus Christ has nothing to do with your criticism.

Given that it isn't related, that would be a wise assumption.


Or should I interpret this as just another occurrence of you telling me what my beliefs are?:lol: :lol:

[neo of the mind]

"Given that it isn't related, that would be a wise assumption.


Or should I interpret this as just another occurrence of you telling me what my beliefs are?"


My stating that Jesus Christ has nothing to do with your criticism, is based off of what I know about him, not you.

[The Big Bog]

Speaking of which, if we're going to do museums that have "Religion X's take on history", why don't we do one that tells the stories of the Bhagavad Gita, the Ramayana, and the Mahabharata?

I'm thinking about launching a fundraising campaign for a museum on tobacco. There will be various exhibits and dioramas showing that tobacco is actually good for the body and doesn't cause cancer at all.

And I don't expect to be mocked for it. :mad:

[Strel]

"Given that it isn't related, that would be a wise assumption.


Or should I interpret this as just another occurrence of you telling me what my beliefs are?"


My stating that Jesus Christ has nothing to do with your criticism, is based off of what I know about him, not you.

Jesus made a statement about dinosaurs? Maybe you could point us to that verse.

Unless this was just a really weak attempt at an ad hominem.:lol:

[neo of the mind]

Jesus made a statement about dinosaurs? Maybe you could point us to that verse.

Unless this was just a really weak attempt at an ad hominem.:lol:

Nice try, but you apparently don't understand what I said. I thought it was rather plain and I can not break it down into any simplier terms.

I'll restate it again in a more concise structure:

You said:

"Or should I interpret this as just another occurrence of you telling me what my beliefs are?"

which I replied with:
"My stating that Jesus Christ has nothing to do with your criticism, is based off of what I know about him, not you."

[Strel]

This is the statement I believe you need to explain:


It's a given that Jesus Christ has nothing to do with your criticism.


You are either conceding the point I made about this not being about Christianity or Christians per se, or you meant something else.

[prst31]

Last chance. Discuss the topic, not the members.

[neo of the mind]

Last chance. Discuss the topic, not the members.

How many moderators are on this forum? 5 or 6? Just a question. I am curious because some moderators have "moderator" under their name and others don't.

[prst31]

Click "View Forum Leaders" at the bottom of the forum homepage. Some? I'm the only lazy one I think.

[towski]

How many moderators are on this forum? 5 or 6? Just a question. I am curious because some moderators have "moderator" under their name and others don't.

By the way, all moderator names are in italics.

[Craig]

Bold Italics, that is.

[Atticus]

Bold Italics, that is.Indeed.

[steveksux]

This is your last chance, guys.

Debate the topic, not the typeface of the moderators names.

Randy

[towski]

This is your last chance, guys.

Debate the topic, not the typeface of the moderators names.

Randy

LOL. :D

[steveksux]

LOL. :DHey, someone's got to police the Police.... ;)

Randy

[brainpan]

This is your last chance, guys.

Debate the topic, not the typeface of the moderators names.

RandyA true comedian you are. We'll miss ya'! ;)

[JD3]

This is your last chance, guys.

Debate the topic, not the typeface of the moderators names.

Randy

Hey, I was really getting into the bold type discussion! ;)


:sorry:

[prst31]

This is your last chance, guys.

Debate the topic, not the typeface of the moderators names.

Randy:lol: Exactly.

[neo of the mind]

Thanks for the responses mods...all thirty of ya. LOL.

[towski]

Thanks for the responses mods...all thirty of ya. LOL.

We live to serve. Sort of.