Bill O’Reilly: a brash, brilliant offensive in the battle for America’s heart and sou

[lord tammerlain]

Bill "Hookers and Coke" O'Reilly defender of America's morals:D

http://www.wndbookservice.com/products/BookPage.asp?prod_cd=c6958
With three straight #1 bestsellers and the highest-rated talk show on cable TV, Bill O'Reilly is one of our nation's most formidable battlers in the culture war – and that's the subject of his latest book, Culture Warrior. In it, this unrelenting fighter for the soul of America marshals all of his celebrated firepower for the defense of traditional values against those who want to transform America into a secular-progressive country. Fighting to keep the drugs and women cheap and easy

[ScummyD]

Fighting to keep the drugs and women cheap and easy

Proves how little you know about the issue you started a thread on for it is the secular progressive movement that seeks such a free license society and not O'Reilly.

[lord tammerlain]

Proves how little you know about the issue you started a thread on for it is the secular progressive movement that seeks such a free license society and not O'Reilly.

Of which Bill O'Reilly is a closet member. A hetro Mark Foley.

One should not forget the tape of Billy asking a female coworker to party with him and get some coke and hookers

[burntgorilla]

I'm sure he meant Diet Coke.

[ScummyD]

Of which Bill O'Reilly is a closet member. A hetro Mark Foley.

One should not forget the tape of Billy asking a female coworker to party with him and get some coke and hookers
This has nothing to do with a legitimate argument.

Petty quibbles in lieu of substantive argumentation. That's all.

[lord tammerlain]

When you present an arguement, people will be waiting

[ScummyD]

:laughter:

That's hilarious. It's your thread. The burden is squarely upon yourself.

Good luck.

[Riddley]

for the defense of traditional values against those who want to transform America into a secular-progressive country.

Traditional values are non-secular and/or regressive?

[Aly Liz]

Of which Bill O'Reilly is a closet member. A hetro Mark Foley.

One should not forget the tape of Billy asking a female coworker to party with him and get some coke and hookers

heres what you need to do.
- log off whistlestopper.
- take a moment and gather your thoughts
- take the time and research the point your trying to make.
- come back



untill then, just stop posting.

[The Big Bog]

heres what you need to do.
- log off whistlestopper.
- take a moment and gather your thoughts
- take the time and research the point your trying to make.
- come back

untill then, just stop posting.
Should the research you're referring to include this (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/1013043mackris16.html)? Are these the "traditional values" you're defending?

P.S. Let me know when we all have your permission to post again. ;)

[Crosscheck]

heres what you need to do.
- log off whistlestopper.
- take a moment and gather your thoughts
- take the time and research the point your trying to make.
- come back


untill then, just stop posting.

You have challenged someone here about not possessing adequate thought process so please give us more detail about your education and accomplishments so that we may have a clearer understanding of the position you view others from.

[Essendon]

Bill O'Reilly and his show are garbage. I don't see why anyone would watch it.

[billygardener]

well it does make good entertainment . . .but yea I don't see how the guy can claim to preach moral values after what he did to his producer. mix him in with Rush "I hate drug addicts" Limbaugh, who incidentally admitted he had been talking out of his *** apologizing for the GOP, and you get a good dose of hypocrisy making you wonder how people can actually take these jokers seriously.

[brainpan]

well it does make good entertainment . . .but yea I don't see how the guy can claim to preach moral values after what he did to his producer.Wait a minute. I'm assumming the coke and hookers allegation is true because nobody is challenging it. But what did Bill do to his producer? I'm almost afraid to ask! :eek:

[rjamortega]

So great! LT just wanted to take a shot at O'Reily, and the rest of you elect to keep the discussion at that level? Traditional culture vs the Progressive movement, and just because it is brought up by a guy who has raging testosterone, you don't care.:rolleyes:

[brainpan]

I don't think it's a conflict most of us recognise. I couldn't consider myself loyal to either side of that imaginary line.

Are these allegations against O'Reilly legitimate? I'm just surprised I haven't heard about them before.

[lord tammerlain]

I don't think it's a conflict most of us recognise. I couldn't consider myself loyal to either side of that imaginary line.

Are these allegations against O'Reilly legitimate? I'm just surprised I haven't heard about them before.

Yes the allegations against O'Reilly are legitimate.


He was I believe charged with Sexual harasment(sp) after making rather graphic phone calls to a female employee, which she taped. One part of the tape had O'Reilly saying they should go out, get some cocaine, a hooker and have a great night. I believe he settled the case.


For a person who on his show "represents " traditional culture such behaviour is rather shocking. Now if it was GI Joe on the other hand;)

[brainpan]

For a person who on his show "represents " traditional culture such behaviour is rather shocking. Now if it was GI Joe on the other hand;)It is shocking. It's inexplicable that he would make such a suggestion, but the fact he did it in a harrassing manner just floors me. What kind of cognitive dissonance makes a person fight hard for a paradigm he clearly doesn't believe in?

[lord tammerlain]

It is shocking. It's inexplicable that he would make such a suggestion, but the fact he did it in a harrassing manner just floors me. What kind of cognitive dissonance makes a person fight hard for a paradigm he clearly doesn't believe in?

Money, hosting a TV is surely a well paid gig. Better then being a host on Inside Edition in any case.

[Izdaari]

Yes the allegations against O'Reilly are legitimate.


He was I believe charged with Sexual harasment(sp) after making rather graphic phone calls to a female employee, which she taped. One part of the tape had O'Reilly saying they should go out, get some cocaine, a hooker and have a great night. I believe he settled the case.


For a person who on his show "represents " traditional culture such behaviour is rather shocking. Now if it was GI Joe on the other hand;)
That an allegation has been made and settled does not make it true. As I'm sure all of you know, celebrities often settle meritless lawsuits simply to avoid further bad publicity. Settling is in no way an admission of guilt.

[FlyingGuineapig]

The sexual harrassement lawsuit was settled back in 2004, so it's faded from most folks memory. Bill gave an apology, and an amount in excess of $2 million (although probably less than the original $60 million).

The interesting question (of which I don't know the answer) is whether or not there's actually a tape of Bill making the comments. According to what I remember from the story, from a legal standpoint, the tape doesn't matter since it wouldn't hold up in court. However, from a "reputation" stand point, it matters quite a bit. If there was a tape, then Bill definitely got his money's worth - no matter how much it was.

[lord tammerlain]

The sexual harrassement lawsuit was settled back in 2004, so it's faded from most folks memory. Bill gave an apology, and an amount in excess of $2 million (although probably less than the original $60 million).

The interesting question (of which I don't know the answer) is whether or not there's actually a tape of Bill making the comments. According to what I remember from the story, from a legal standpoint, the tape doesn't matter since it wouldn't hold up in court. However, from a "reputation" stand point, it matters quite a bit. If there was a tape, then Bill definitely got his money's worth - no matter how much it was.

There is a tape, it was played on one of the tabloid TV shows which is why I remember it so well

[Crosscheck]

That an allegation has been made and settled does not make it true. As I'm sure all of you know, celebrities often settle meritless lawsuits simply to avoid further bad publicity. Settling is in no way an admission of guilt.


One would think with the O'Reilly persona he presents to the public that he would attack the female producer equal to a military blitz. With his money he would go all out and end up suing her for libel. Surely this toughen man of steel would not submit to such a lesser opponent.

So one must agree that O'Reilly probably isn't guilty nor is OJ, nor was Nixon a crook nor did Clinton inhale and on and on and on. Really, how stupid do they think we are?

[Aly Liz]

Should the research you're referring to include this (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/1013043mackris16.html)? Are these the "traditional values" you're defending?

P.S. Let me know when we all have your permission to post again. ;)


you are now free to post. thanks. =]

[willieboy31]

Yes the allegations against O'Reilly are legitimate.


He was I believe charged with Sexual harasment(sp) after making rather graphic phone calls to a female employee, which she taped. One part of the tape had O'Reilly saying they should go out, get some cocaine, a hooker and have a great night. I believe he settled the case.

He made a pass at a female co-worker that she interpreted as unwanted, and he did not. The issue was not proven to be legitmate since it did not go to court. Many famous and rich people settle out of court rather than go through lenghty and time consuming civil litigation.

As for the coke allegation, no where have I seen or heard this. Could you site your source.

Bill O'Reilly and his show are garbage. I don't see why anyone would watch it.
US media has been dominated by liberal news media for decades, and still is. Begining in 1980s a new phenonemna began--primarily as a backlash against a hugely unpopular president to some--Rush Limbagh. Conservatives at last had a voice, albeit on radio. Most radio was music oriented, but Rush presented a voice that had not been heard. Later FOX news came along and TV viewers had a choice, news that was not just liberal. O'reilly is just one of the more successful of the conservatives. But FOX has several liberals on air as well.

Many liberals here in the US hate it that another voice is heard. Oh, they still have CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, NPR radio, Air AMerica, etc. but it simply not enough. Liberals here in America continually rail against O'reilly because they do not apparently want the conservative voice to be heard. After all, for decades we had but the three dinasours ABC, NBC, CBS to dictate one position only. With Croncite or the now discredited Dan Rather spoon feeding the US public the liberal position only for years, is it any wonder the people here are glad to have another side presented?

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"The biggest lie, is the lie of ommision." I said it, but I doubt I was the first.
"You talk about history, but sometimes history must be corrected." Stalin

[serenity]

Many liberals here in the US hate it that another voice is heard. Oh, they still have CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, NPR radio, Air AMerica, etc. but it simply not enough. Liberals here in America continually rail against O'reilly because they do not apparently want the conservative voice to be heard. After all, for decades we had but the three dinasours ABC, NBC, CBS to dictate one position only. With Croncite or the now discredited Dan Rather spoon feeding the US public the liberal position only for years, is it any wonder the people here are glad to have another side presented?


I have nothing whatsoever against conservative voices being heard. And O'Reillly I actually prefer to, say, Limbaugh, as at least Big Bill will now and then target things such as massive corporations.

The main problems with O'Reilly are twofold, one minor and one major:

the minor one is his bullying tactics. He's even been known to shut off people's mics when he doesn't like their point of view;

The major issue is his outright, shameless lying. He has been accused of this before, but he himself provided the proof: he told a Canadian journalist, with whom he was arguing, that he would call for a boycott of Canadian goods (because they had the good sense not to come along on the Iraq adventure). He told her that, "according to the Paris Business Review," France had been severely economically damaged by American boycotts.

Well, first of all, at least at the time of his comments, France was doing just fine with its trade with America. But I suppose economic arguments can get highly complex and (to me) confusing; so the incontrovertible lie was the other part of his statement:

The "Paris Business Review" does not exist. There's no such publication. He made it up, out of whole cloth, in front of millions of viewers, in order to "win" a debate.

That's lying. Period.

[roderic]

I honestly don't understand why someone like o'Reilly could be so popular, an ill-tempered liar and demagogue.

I guess he's got some entertainment value, for those who share his slanted views.

His popularity in the US is disconcerting.

[ScummyD]

It's amusing how some people get emotionally disturbed due to the popularity of Bill O'Reilly.

Interesting somebody would grant a tv personality such power over their lives.

[roderic]

Interesting somebody would grant a tv personality such power over their lives.Hardly, - you overestimate O'Reilly as well as your own reading comprehension skills.

I merely made a comment in a thread dedicated to the little scoundrel. :D

[ScummyD]

Hardly, - you overestimate O'Reilly as well as your own reading comprehension skills.

I merely made a comment in a thread dedicated to the little scoundrel.

You admitted that Bill O'Reilly had a considerable amount of power over your life and that his popularity emotionally disturbed you.

However you wish to try and backpeddle from that admission in an attempt to save face is your choice.

Good luck with that.

[roderic]

I have neither mentioned "power over" nor "life" in my comments.

You need to learn to make sense of what you read, instead of putting words into my mouth, dude.

[willieboy31]

I have nothing whatsoever against conservative voices being heard

Truely refreshing. I applaud this open mindedness and approval of diversity, which is so lacking among many liberals. :flowers:

the minor one is his bullying tactics.

O'Reilly certainly can be abrupt, sometimes more than I like, but at other times he treads too softly, to my mind, as with Al Sharpton. But liberals such as Chris Mathews grill and badger guests as bad as O'Reilly. So I guess no guests can go to their programs unaware.

Regarding the group from France, I have no idea if they exist or not or if O'Reilly stated the wrong group in his haste to make a point or not. I do know if he lied, at least on a regular basis, it certainly stands to reason that all the liberal media haters would call him on it.

[willieboy31]

I honestly don't understand why someone like o'Reilly could be so popular, an ill-tempered liar and demagogue.

I guess he's got some entertainment value, for those who share his slanted views.

His popularity in the US is disconcerting.

O'Reilly is popluar to many because he is mostly socially conservative, and in America the media is dominated by the other side: liberals. Here mostly liberal demogogues have most airtime, so why should it be disconcerting for another voice heard, especially that speaks for many if not most Americans?

Does your country not let any opposition speak? We have a strong 1st Ammendment here to protect this right.

[towski]

Regarding the Paris Business Review:

http://mediamatters.org/items/200405020006

[roderic]

I do know if he lied, at least on a regular basis, it certainly stands to reason that all the liberal media haters would call him on it.
What are "liberal media haters"? Never heard of it.:eek:

[willieboy31]

What are "liberal media haters"? Never heard of it

Rather sloppy of me. I rephrase to "members of the liberal media establisment who hate an opposing viewpoint: conservative."

[serenity]

Regarding the group from France, I have no idea if they exist or not or if O'Reilly stated the wrong group in his haste to make a point or not.

"The Paris Business Review" certainly does not exist; search for it, if you like. All you will find is a joke site, posted after the event to make fun of O'Reilly's lie.

And how, pray tell, could this be a "mistake" mad ein haste? He named it, specifically. If I were to name something COMPLETELY made up to prove a point, with no basis in reality at all, I think it would be fair enough to call me on it.

O'Reilly was in fact sked about it, and instead of saying what he "meant to" (which would give your point at least the possibility of leverage) he threw a patented O'Reilly tantrum. So...he lied. That's it.

[ScummyD]

I have neither mentioned "power over" nor "life" in my comments.
Yeah, no kidding Sherlock. But so what? That means nothing.

Those terms are inherent in your admission that "His popularity in the US is disconcerting."

Perhaps you are ignorant of the definition of the word you used.

Disconcerting means to cause an emotional disturbance. You effectively admitted that the popularity of some guy on TV disturbed you emotionally. I thought that it was quite sad to see somebody like you admit that a TV personality has such power over your life as to disturb you emotionally. And so I noted it.

You need to learn to make sense of what you read, instead of putting words into my mouth, dude.
Not at all. I have excellent reading comprehension skills.

It is you that needs to learn some basic logic and, apparently, some definitions of words, as well.

:laughter: I have put no words in your mouth. You have in point of fact declared to the entire class that O'Reilly's popularity disturbs you emotionally.

I did not make that up. You admitted it openly.

As I stated, However you wish to try and backpeddle from that admission in an attempt to save face is your choice.

Good luck with that.

[Dangerrmouse]

Brash, Brilliant Offensive ...... Bill's no genius, but Meatloaf always sang that "Two out of three ain't bad!"