This is why New York Needs the Death Penalty!!!

[Bassman]

http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20061206/1037447.asp


2 officers are shot chasing suspect


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One, a woman, is struck in the jaw and is listed in critical condition

By JANICE L. HABUDA and ANTHONY CARDINALE
News Staff Reporters
12/6/2006


Two Buffalo police officers were shot at about 9 p.m. Tuesday while responding to a fight inside a gas station-store at West Chippewa Street and South Elmwood Avenue.
Officer Patricia A. Parete, 41, was shot in the jaw and undergoing surgery in Erie County Medical Center, where she was listed in critical condition. Officer Carl E. Andolina, also 41, a five-year police veteran, reportedly was shot in the arm, the bullet traveling to his neck, and taken to ECMC, where he was listed in fair condition. Police took Varner Harris, whose age was either 19 or 20, into custody in Police Headquarters late Tuesday. The hallways of the facility were sectioned off with yellow crime tape where blood had dripped to the floor.

During a news briefing inside ECMC, Police Commissioner H. McCarthy Gipson said the two officers were working together when they responded to a report of a fight inside a Valero gas-store outlet.

According to Gipson, the gunman fled on foot and shot at the officers near the corner of Chippewa Street and Whitney Place. Andolina continued to chase the suspect after he was shot and, with a bullet lodged in his neck, tackled the man and held him.

Police recovered a handgun they believe was used to shoot the officers. It was not known whether the officers returned fire. Gipson said officials were consulting with the district attorney's office to consider charges against the suspect, which would likely include assault and attempted murder.


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Now, just to refresh everyone's collective memory, three State Troopers were shot this past summer by Ralph "Bucky" (scumbag) Phillips. One Trooper, Joseph A. Logombardo, died from his wounds. Without the Death Penalty on the books, monsters like Phillips and Varner Harris, will just stew in a cell at taxpayers expense!!

[towski]

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?did=543&scid=45

In North Carolina, it costs the taxpayers $2.16 million per execution more than the cost of a non-death penalty murder case with a sentence of life imprisonment. In Texas, a death penalty case costs an average of $2.3 million, about three times the cost of imprisoning someone for 40 years in a single cell at the highest security level.

I hope you have better death penalty arguments than the cost to taxpayers.

[Bassman]

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?did=543&scid=45

In North Carolina, it costs the taxpayers $2.16 million per execution more than the cost of a non-death penalty murder case with a sentence of life imprisonment. In Texas, a death penalty case costs an average of $2.3 million, about three times the cost of imprisoning someone for 40 years in a single cell at the highest security level.

I hope you have better death penalty arguments than the cost to taxpayers.
Oh, of course. Ralph Phillips struts into the courtrooms with such a cocky smile knowing full well that he'll never pay the ultimate price for his crime. And now, if either Buffalo officer dies, Harris will never see the "Hot Shot".

[Dangerrmouse]

On the other hand they are looking at several decades of prison life, unless they or another inmate do something about it.

[Bassman]

On the other hand they are looking at several decades of prison life, unless they or another inmate do something about it.

But that's it. Cop killers are considered heroes in prison. Why is anyone even remotely sympathetic towards these monsters?

My sympathies lie with the victims and the police.

[bowerbird]

Hanging is too good for them - bring back the whipping post:p says she only HALF in jest.

[Bassman]

Hanging is too good for them - bring back the whipping post:p says she only HALF in jest.

Point??

[bowerbird]

I am not in favour of capital punishment - that is far too permanent but I do think our system undervalues corporal punishment - which CAN be an even bigger deterrent. Those who disagree with the effectiveness of corporal punishment should check with our Asian neighbours who do use it.

[towski]

But that's it. Cop killers are considered heroes in prison. Why is anyone even remotely sympathetic towards these monsters?

My sympathies lie with the victims and the police.

My sympathies lie with the victims as well. I was in no way being sympathetic towards the killers.

I simply wanted a better reason for capital punishment than the poor taxpayers, which doesn't wash.

[Dangerrmouse]

Endless years denied liberty takes the shine off any "hero" status.

[bowerbird]

Endless years denied liberty takes the shine off any "hero" status.

And that is my problem with incarceration right there. I know that there are some who are better off behind bars but for some things - perhaps we would be better off with corporal punishment than incarceration.

What hurts more six hits on the backside with a cane or going to jail for 6 months?

[Bassman]

I am not in favour of capital punishment - that is far too permanent but I do think our system undervalues corporal punishment - which CAN be an even bigger deterrent. Those who disagree with the effectiveness of corporal punishment should check with our Asian neighbours who do use it.

Here's my take on it. Police Officers, Corrections Officers, FBI, ATF, and the Armed Forces all have one thing in common: to protect its citizenry, both foreign and domestic. I hold an especially high regard for these people because they're more than willing to place themselves in the line of fire. And when you have scumbags like Phillips who flaunts himself and is made to be some sort of warped "folkhero" like Charles Manson, then someone's way of thinking is severly damaged. I bet that if Phillps were facing the Death Penalty, he would not be smirking. And oh yes, it is a permanent solution: the scumbag certainly won't be committing any more crime ;)

[JoeR]

He'd probably still be smirking. He obviously doesn't care about his life too much if he is willing to shoot at cops.

[Michele]

Oh, of course. Ralph Phillips struts into the courtrooms with such a cocky smile knowing full well that he'll never pay the ultimate price for his crime. And now, if either Buffalo officer dies, Harris will never see the "Hot Shot".

what about when an officer shoots an unarmed citizen for what proves to be no really verifiable reason, (hypothetically speaking like a rogue cop or one with a known temper and past write ups)... you would call for the death penalty?

Or are officers of the law exempt from the death penalty in every case?

[jamesrage]

http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20061206/1037447.asp


2 officers are shot chasing suspect


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One, a woman, is struck in the jaw and is listed in critical condition

By JANICE L. HABUDA and ANTHONY CARDINALE
News Staff Reporters
12/6/2006





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Now, just to refresh everyone's collective memory, three State Troopers were shot this past summer by Ralph "Bucky" (scumbag) Phillips. One Trooper, Joseph A. Logombardo, died from his wounds. Without the Death Penalty on the books, monsters like Phillips and Varner Harris, will just stew in a cell at taxpayers expense!!

Don't forget they might potentially escape too,thus harming more people(of course most likely they are already are harming other people who are also behind bars,but they are irrelevant).

[jamesrage]

My sympathies lie with the victims as well. I was in no way being sympathetic towards the killers.

I simply wanted a better reason for capital punishment than the poor taxpayers, which doesn't wash.

You do know some of those poor tax payers are also family members of the victims?So essentially your telling the victims family they have to financially support the scumbag who murdered their loved one.Thats like killing someone and then getting the victim's family to take care of you for the rest of your life.

[towski]

You do know some of those poor tax payers are also family members of the victims?So essentially your telling the victims family they have to financially support the scumbag who murdered their loved one.Thats like killing someone and then getting the victim's family to take care of you for the rest of your life.

Those same family members/taxpayers have to pay more to execute them. Not sure I understand your point?

[serenity]

My feelings on the death penalty aside (I oppose it), I see no reason why a cop-killing is a worse offense than any other. A police officer's life is worth no more nor less than anyone else's. (Obviously.)

As for the idea of putting themselves in harm's way...there are many jobs, many many jobs, that are far more dangerous than that of a police officer's (if we're going to use such heretical measurements as numbers of people killed or wounded).

[Dangerrmouse]

Those same family members/taxpayers have to pay more to execute them. Not sure I understand your point?

I think you understand his point perfectly well. It's just jr. that doesn't!

[Ed Sane]

I personally believe in the death penalty, (as a states right issue) it should be the voters who decide whether there should be one or not.

Personally I just wish that the states which did carry out the death penalty should only use the method of hanging. You can re-use the rope. Why spend more then you have to?

[jamesrage]

Those same family members/taxpayers have to pay more to execute them. Not sure I understand your point?
The only ones making such claims are anti-death penalty lobby,so you will forgive me if I just do not agree with you.Beside over time as forensics gets better the cost of a trial will go down and so will the appeals,thus making it cheaper to execute someone.

So you are saying that you do not think it is ****ed up to force the victim's family to take care of the individual who murdered their loved one?

[towski]

The only ones making such claims are anti-death penalty lobby,so you will forgive me if I just do not agree with you.Beside over time as forensics gets better the cost of a trial will go down and so will the appeals,thus making it cheaper to execute someone.

So you are saying that you do not think it is ****ed up to force the victim's family to take care of the individual who murdered their loved one?

****ed up? Of course it's ****ed up. But unless you have some sort of alternative society you're ready to propose, one in which the criminal justice system isn't dependent on tax dollars, it's going to be ****ed up. Isn't it ****ed up that they have to pay for the execution? Of course it's ****ed up. ****ed up, I tell you. ****ed up.

But James, whether you imprison them or kill them, the taxpayer foots the bill. Sure, it may be ****ed up, but that's the ****ed up way the ****ed up system works, and I, for one, am glad america has the ****ed up criminal justice system it has, not the ****ed up system that other ****ed up countries do.

[jamesrage]

****ed up? Of course it's ****ed up. But unless you have some sort of alternative society you're ready to propose, one in which the criminal justice system isn't dependent on tax dollars, it's going to be ****ed up. Isn't it ****ed up that they have to pay for the execution? Of course it's ****ed up. ****ed up, I tell you. ****ed up.

But James, whether you imprison them or kill them, the taxpayer foots the bill. Sure, it may be ****ed up, but that's the ****ed up way the ****ed up system works, and I, for one, am glad america has the ****ed up criminal justice system it has, not the ****ed up system that other ****ed up countries do.

When forensics gets better the anti-death penalty crowd will have less excuses for opposing the death penalty and then the only reason for opposing the death penalty is because they feel sorry for these and do not give two ****s about the victims.

[towski]

When forensics gets better the anti-death penalty crowd will have less excuses for opposing the death penalty and then the only reason for opposing the death penalty is because they feel sorry for these and do not give two ****s about the victims.

Or they oppose the government having power to kill. :shrug:

I take it you agree, though, that it's ****ed up that the victim has to pay for the execution?

[jamesrage]

Or they oppose the government having power to kill. :shrug:


I think it is a total disregard for the victims why they want the lives of these scum spared.



I take it you agree, though, that it's ****ed up that the victim has to pay for the execution?

Not as ****ed up as making them pay for the meals, housing, medical, weights, lawyers,sex change and other entertainment and luxuries while their loved one is in the ground.

[towski]

I think it is a total disregard for the victims why they want the lives of these scum spared.

Well, I'm not a death penalty opponent, but I don't think everyone thinks of things in the black and white manner with which you approach things. :shrug:


Not as ****ed up as making them pay for the meals, housing, medical, weights, lawyers,sex change and other entertainment and luxuries while their loved one is in the ground.

Is it a debate about which is more ****ed up? What's it matter? They're both ****ed up, what difference does it make? I guess I just don't have a "which is more ****ed up" scale in my head with which to approach this...

[jamesrage]

Well, I'm not a death penalty opponent, but I don't think everyone thinks of things in the black and white manner with which you approach things. :shrug:

Thinking that there is little grey areas is what gets us in trouble,it makes it hard to recognize the fact there is evil and what is evil.

[steveksux]

Those same family members/taxpayers have to pay more to execute them. Not sure I understand your point?

The option with the cheapest cost is not always the best value for your money... ;)

Randy

[steveksux]

When forensics gets better the anti-death penalty crowd will have less excuses for opposing the death penalty and then the only reason for opposing the death penalty is because they feel sorry for these and do not give two ****s about the victims.
In addition, if the forensics get good enough the odds of convicting innocent people by mistake goes down too!

Randy

[Geiger2040]

I'd prefer to have criminals die of AIDS in their jail cells after being raped...that's true justice...it's free too!

[Dangerrmouse]

Were you frightened by an escaped criminal as a child?

[Geiger2040]

Nope not at all....I mean we should just have the criminals kills themselves off

[serenity]

I'd prefer to have criminals die of AIDS in their jail cells after being raped...that's true justice...it's free too!

Ah, another advocate of rape; there don’t seem to be many, but there are a few here who support rape.


Nope not at all....I mean we should just have the criminals kills themselves off

They wouldn’t be killing each other off. The stronger, meaner, more dangerous and violent offenders would be doing fine; it’s generally the weaker, non-violent offenders who bear the brunt of the prison rape horror which you cavalierly defend and support.

Ah well…some people love power, and adore powerful people so much, that it extends even to the criminals themselves. Now tell me: why would you hate the weaker, victimized inmates more than the stronger and more vicious ones?

[Geiger2040]

So you mean to say that tougher criminals who have sex with men in their cells do not run the risk of disease?

I'm not advocating rape...because in prison everyone sees it as sex and not rape.

[serenity]

So you mean to say that tougher criminals who have sex with men in their cells do not run the risk of disease?

To put as delicately as possible--and this is true for heterosexual practices as well--the "catcher" is at greater risk than the "pitcher."

Irrelevant really, because we're talking about rape; the victim does not "deserve" disease the way we might be inclined to think so for the perpetrator.


I'm not advocating rape...because in prison everyone sees it as sex and not rape.

Ha! Except for the rape victims, you mean, which is a substantial number. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about here. But I appreciate your pointing out so perfectly that your viewpoint is irrelevant.

[Geiger2040]

I am just being a jackass!

[Dangerrmouse]

I couldn't possibly comment.

[serenity]

I am just being a jackass!


:)

OK...I admit, this has disarmed me a bit.