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Bicycleman
06-29-2007, 03:18 PM
During its 2007 Session, the General Assembly of Virginia passed House Bill
3202 (Chapter 896), which was designed to provide additional funds to address various
transportation needs in the Commonwealth. (See this link for the bill:
http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?ses=071&typ=bil&val=hb3202.) The
legislation requires agencies and branches of state government which implement parts of
the legislation to make accessible to the public information about those efforts.
(1) Civil Remedial Fees. The legislation creates “civil remedial fees” to be
assessed against Virginia residents convicted of certain motor vehicle-related or driving
crimes. These civil remedial fees will not apply to traffic infractions like failure to obey a
highway sign or failure to yield or parking too near a hydrant. They apply only to certain
motor vehicle-related or driving felonies and misdemeanors (certain motor vehiclerelated
or driving offenses which are crimes). The civil remedial fees will be assessed
against juveniles who have been found delinquent because they committed one of these
motor vehicle-related or driving felonies or misdemeanors. The civil remedial fees will
not be assessed if the juvenile court defers a final judgment against the juvenile and does
not find the juvenile to be delinquent.
(2) Purpose. The statute states the purpose of these fees is “to generate revenue
from drivers whose proven dangerous driving behavior places significant financial
burdens upon the Commonwealth.”
(3) Effective date. These fees are assessed upon convictions of the applicable
offenses only if the crime was committed on or after July 1, 2007.
(4) An additional fee. In one important way, these fees are like court costs. That
is, if the fee is applicable to a particular conviction, the court must assess the entire civil
remedial fee. However, these civil remedial fees cannot be suspended or reduced. Instead,
by law, an applicable civil remedial fee must be assessed by the court in full. Finally, the
law provides that “The civil remedial fees established by this section shall be in addition
to any other fees, costs, or penalties imposed pursuant to the Code of Virginia.”
(5) Virginia residents only. The civil remedial fee is applicable to Virginia
“residents” convicted of these crimes. The law provides that “The civil remedial fees
established by this section shall be assessed on any resident of Virginia operating a motor
vehicle on the highways of Virginia, including persons to whom Virginia driver's
licenses, commercial driver's licenses, or learner's permits have been issued pursuant to
this title; and persons operating motor vehicles without licenses or whose license has
been revoked or suspended.”
(6) Three-part fee. The civil remedial fees are imposed in three equal parts. If the
fee applies, the court will order the first part of the fee to be paid to the court following
the conviction. The court will also order that the second part of the fee must be paid to
the Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV) within 14 months and, then, that the third part
of the fee must be paid within 26 months of the conviction. DMV will tell people who
owe the second and third parts of the civil remedial fees when those parts of their fees
will be due.

http://www.courts.state.va.us/publications/hb_3202.pdf

Mirror Lake 444
06-30-2007, 01:12 AM
http://www.courts.state.va.us/publications/hb_3202.pdf

Looks like crap to me. I recently got a trackfic ticket for speeding in my state of Indiana. I'm being charged $109.50 for court costs even tough I am sending it in, and there will be no hearing. Then there's the actual fine for $40.50 taked on to that.

Maybe I'm wrong but why pretend the $109.50 is for court costs when there is no court hearing?

BTW, the highway was a multilane lane rural highway with median strip to separate the opposing paired lanes from each other, but the speed limit was only 60 mph. Being flat as a board and this type of highway I question the low speed limt. Seems like a speed trap to me.

I won't be back to this part of Indiana any time soon. They won't get any of my money for anything. I'm doing business elsewhere. They lost a lot more money than they made on my speeding ticket.

Bicycleman
06-30-2007, 08:43 AM
Yep, it's crap, and only Virginia residents will be assessed these fees. Any out of state resident caught violating the same law won't be liable for the additional fees. Talk about unfairness. I predict a Supreme Court challenge on these laws, but how many Va. residents get screwed in the process before it's rectified?

Mirror Lake 444
06-30-2007, 09:21 AM
Yep, it's crap, and only Virginia residents will be assessed these fees. Any out of state resident caught violating the same law won't be liable for the additional fees. Talk about unfairness. I predict a Supreme Court challenge on these laws, but how many Va. residents get screwed in the process before it's rectified?


Supreme court challenge? You do know the supreme court only takes those cases it wants to right? Personally I think the supreme court is very over rated and thinks too much of itself in their portly gowns of superiority. Some of those decisions defy common sense.

Bicycleman
06-30-2007, 01:09 PM
Supreme court challenge? You do know the supreme court only takes those cases it wants to right? Personally I think the supreme court is very over rated and thinks too much of itself in their portly gowns of superiority. Some of those decisions defy common sense.

Well, the US Supreme Court is not noted for some intelligent decisions. In the case of these traffic laws, they will have to get to the Virginia Supreme Court first. That court hasn't always been noted for some monumental decisions, either.

As far as breaking laws, I don't drive reckless or drink so most would say, "What are you worried about?" I too have been the victim of an unscrupulous cop. I was following a cop down a rural 55 mph highway at 40 mph. We had gone through some torrential rain, but we drove out of it into an area that hadn't received any rain. Still the officer drove 40 mph, mile after mile. I finally decided to pass him. What could he say, as long as I passed him at the speed limit? As soon as I passed him, I was pulled over and cited for reckless driving, driving too fast for road conditions. "What road conditions?", I asked.

At court the cop claimed the road conditions were so bad, he couldn't see 25 feet out his windshield. I had color weather maps, showing otherwise, but the judge refused to look at the maps and said he believed his officer over anything a citizen said. My lawyer got the charges reduced to improper driving due to my excellent driving record. Then if I took their driving school, the charges would be dropped, and I would receive 5 good driving points already onto my excellent record. I could have appealed, but as far as my lawyer was concerned, he won the case. I didn't think so, not if I had to take a driving school that I didn't need. At the school, the teacher agreed with me, that I had been railroaded, and that's the way it was done in that town. Hence, with these new laws on the books, I don't feel so comfortable on the roads. It's no telling what they will do with a burned out tail light. Remember the commercial where the guy gets stopped by the fat sheriff with the Smokey Bear hat? "You're in a heap a trouble, boy!"

Mygorilla
06-30-2007, 08:01 PM
IMO, the new law is unconstitutional because it only pertains to VA residents. Non-VA residents will not be held to the same charges. I don't believe that it will be very long before the Virginia Supreme Court will shoot the law down, that is if the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals doesn't get it first.

Mirror Lake 444
07-01-2007, 02:08 AM
Well, the US Supreme Court is not noted for some intelligent decisions. In the case of these traffic laws, they will have to get to the Virginia Supreme Court first. That court hasn't always been noted for some monumental decisions, either.

As far as breaking laws, I don't drive reckless or drink so most would say, "What are you worried about?" I too have been the victim of an unscrupulous cop. I was following a cop down a rural 55 mph highway at 40 mph. We had gone through some torrential rain, but we drove out of it into an area that hadn't received any rain. Still the officer drove 40 mph, mile after mile. I finally decided to pass him. What could he say, as long as I passed him at the speed limit? As soon as I passed him, I was pulled over and cited for reckless driving, driving too fast for road conditions. "What road conditions?", I asked.

At court the cop claimed the road conditions were so bad, he couldn't see 25 feet out his windshield. I had color weather maps, showing otherwise, but the judge refused to look at the maps and said he believed his officer over anything a citizen said. My lawyer got the charges reduced to improper driving due to my excellent driving record. Then if I took their driving school, the charges would be dropped, and I would receive 5 good driving points already onto my excellent record. I could have appealed, but as far as my lawyer was concerned, he won the case. I didn't think so, not if I had to take a driving school that I didn't need. At the school, the teacher agreed with me, that I had been railroaded, and that's the way it was done in that town. Hence, with these new laws on the books, I don't feel so comfortable on the roads. It's no telling what they will do with a burned out tail light. Remember the commercial where the guy gets stopped by the fat sheriff with the Smokey Bear hat? "You're in a heap a trouble, boy!"


Actually if I insinuated I was the victum of an unsrupulous cop that was not the case. He was doing his job. It is the other factors I have a problem with.

Your case is proof we only think we live in a truly democratic society. What we really have to be vigulent about though, is if we let our freedoms slide down a slipper slope that makes this look like childs play. I believe there is fair fine line complying with the constitution, and once we rationalize that this is O.K.and that is O.K. we are headed for trouble.

I hope you're state supreme court strikes this down. It sets a very bad precedent.

Bicycleman
07-01-2007, 08:28 PM
Mirror, I understood you in that I knew you were not the victim of a bad cop, but just the situation and how the police must enforce the laws to be able to perform their jobs.

I agree with you about our sliding freedoms. People today are too comfortable. They will just take it on the chin and as long as it doesn't happen to them, everything goes along merrily.

HB3202
07-05-2007, 08:51 PM
ATTENTION , ATTENTION, ATTENTION, for those Northern Virginians that really want to have a chance at waking from this nightmare, please show up at the last chance meeting to speak your peace on July 12th. FINAL DECISION TO ACTUALLY ENACT THE PSYCHO FEES CAN & PROBABLY WILL BE MADE AT THE END OF THIS MEETING ! ! !
For details on the meeting and the address for written input, SEE PAGE 2 OF THIS PDF: http://thenovaauthority.org/PDFs/Press_Releases/public_hearing_jul_07.pdf

PLEASE, Tell your friends....(& enemies)