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towski
07-18-2007, 01:28 PM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19816799/
In our justice system, a man is innocent until proven guilty.
But Roger Goodell operates within his own justice system.
The NFL commissioner’s way of doing things may seem autocratic, but remember, his power was attained through democratic means. The NFL Players Association signed off on a basic agreement that gives Goodell full authority to impose penalties against players who run afoul of the law and/or the rules. Not only that, but when there’s an appeal, Goodell decides the outcome of that, too.
So the next shoe you hear drop will be Goodell imposing a lifetime ban on Michael Vick. And he’ll be justified in doing so.
A lifetime ban rarely means lifetime. It means indefinite — and if a player wants to get back into the NFL, he has to keep his nose clean and then reapply for reinstatement. It’s a little like Imus — kicked out during a storm of outrage, then quietly allowed to return when it passes.
The gruesome details:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19814494/
John Goodwin of the Humane Society said the manner in which losing or unwilling dogs were killed was especially troubling.
“Some of the grisly details in these filings shocked even me, and I’m a person who faces this stuff every day,” he said. “I was surprised to see that they were killing dogs by hanging them and one dog was killed by slamming it to the ground. Those are extremely violent methods of execution — they’re unnecessary and just sick.”
About eight young dogs were put to death at the Surry County home after they were found not ready to fight in April 2007, the indictment said. They were killed “by hanging, drowning and/or slamming at least one dog’s body to the ground.”
In March 2003, after a pit bull from Bad Newz Kennels lost in a fight, it said Peace consulted with Vick about the losing dog’s condition, then executed it by wetting it with water and electrocuting it
The Big Bog
07-18-2007, 02:46 PM
Not only should he be banned from the NFL, I think he should be tied to the sole standing tree in the busiest dog park in the country. Upside down.
LibertyorDeath
07-19-2007, 04:43 PM
If he is guilty, I hope Vick is seriously punished for the barbaric and inhumane treatment of these poor dogs. Still, I am sure these dogs are mostly from a long line of in breeding and they would never have made good pets. I think that before a pit bull can be bought or adopted, it should have it's genealogy traced or at least have a full evaluation by an animal behavioral expert. How possible this is I don't know, but with the popularity of this breed and the in breeding and cruel acts like feeding them gun powder taking place it would seem this breed can't be trusted straight away.
Now I don't mean to write this as a statement against this breed but rather a statement against the mistreatment of the breed. I also feel that owning a pit bull is akin to having a gun. When we get a gun we need a license to own and carry it, so to me large guard dog owners should be approved before they can own such a dangerous animal. There are far to many stories of guard dogs attacking innocent victims, "pets & People," both while with their owners and while running the streets. Pits are the most frequent attackers. The lovable pit is playing in the living room or yard with a family member one minute and out of nowhere the dog snaps and causes serious injury or even death to a person or pet. It just seems that both person and possible pet should be evaluated. What I am saying is probably considered unconstitutional and won't ever happen but since that is the case we need to come up with a way to lessen the threat from attack dogs.
It is obvious we are behind the eight ball when it comes to ending illegal dog fighting. Since that will probably be the case for a long long time, maybe we should have to have a license to own these unpredictable dogs.
If he is guilty, I hope Vick is seriously punished for the barbaric and inhumane treatment of these poor dogs. Still, I am sure these dogs are mostly from a long line of in breeding and they would never have made good pets. I think that before a pit bull can be bought or adopted, it should have it's genealogy traced or at least have a full evaluation by an animal behavioral expert. How possible this is I don't know, but with the popularity of this breed and the in breeding and cruel acts like feeding them gun powder taking place it would seem this breed can't be trusted straight away.
Now I don't mean to write this as a statement against this breed but rather a statement against the mistreatment of the breed. I also feel that owning a pit bull is akin to having a gun. When we get a gun we need a license to own and carry it, so to me large guard dog owners should be approved before they can own such a dangerous animal. There are far to many stories of guard dogs attacking innocent victims, "pets & People," both while with their owners and while running the streets. Pits are the most frequent attackers. The lovable pit is playing in the living room or yard with a family member one minute and out of nowhere the dog snaps and causes serious injury or even death to a person or pet. It just seems that both person and possible pet should be evaluated. What I am saying is probably considered unconstitutional and won't ever happen but since that is the case we need to come up with a way to lessen the threat from attack dogs.
It is obvious we are behind the eight ball when it comes to ending illegal dog fighting. Since that will probably be the case for a long long time, maybe we should have to have a license to own these unpredictable dogs.
More anti-pitbull garbage. Yes, they can be extremely aggressive and if you were to do a study on dogs all raised under the same circumstances, this breed would probably show slightly more aggression than the average. This doesn't mean that pitbulls are killing machines (as you insinuated by comparing them to guns). It is all how they are raised.
They are powerful dogs with a natural ability to attack and this potential has been recognized by those with malicious intents. That is the main reason pitbulls have received this negative reputation. So many are bred to kill, and the media focuses on every attack, that people don't realize how sweet they can be. It is people, not this breed or this breed's genetics, that are to blame.
As for Vick, whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty? This immediate judgement just because of media coverage is why our justice system fails the accused with such frequency. If he is guilty, however, than that stupid s*** needs to be slammed on the pavement just like his dogs.
towski
07-19-2007, 05:37 PM
As for Vick, whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty? This immediate judgement just because of media coverage is why our justice system fails the accused with such frequency. If he is guilty, however, than that stupid s*** needs to be slammed on the pavement just like his dogs.
Because I'm not talking about the justice system, where you are absolutely correct about innocent until proven guilty. I'm talking about his employers, who can terminate him for damn near anything they want.
If I get arrested for DUI or drug possesion, I lose my job. Not after I'm found guilty. When I'm arrested.
LibertyorDeath
07-19-2007, 09:21 PM
More anti-pitbull garbage. Yes, they can be extremely aggressive and if you were to do a study on dogs all raised under the same circumstances, this breed would probably show slightly more aggression than the average. This doesn't mean that pitbulls are killing machines (as you insinuated by comparing them to guns). It is all how they are raised.
They are powerful dogs with a natural ability to attack and this potential has been recognized by those with malicious intents. That is the main reason pitbulls have received this negative reputation. So many are bred to kill, and the media focuses on every attack, that people don't realize how sweet they can be. It is people, not this breed or this breed's genetics, that are to blame.
As for Vick, whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty? This immediate judgement just because of media coverage is why our justice system fails the accused with such frequency. If he is guilty, however, than that stupid s*** needs to be slammed on the pavement just like his dogs.(Now I don't mean to write this as a statement against this breed but rather a statement against the mistreatment of the breed.)
IDK, I realize what you are saying about these dogs being sweet. The problem with many of these dogs is that they're unpredictable. They have an untrusting , nervous and aggressive disorder when they are inbred by wreckless owners looking to create an emotional instability in the dogs. Many dogs are given to owners who are loving and good to them and yet attacks are still common. To say that the all these attacks and reports of vicious behavior are due to mistreatment from people is just not true. Other dogs are mistreated and don't have near the problem pit bulls have. Pit Bulls can be wonderful dogs but at the same time if people keep ignoring genetic factors that cause overly aggressive behavior, attacks will be frequent and often. Now at the same time any time a person gets a dog of any breed they should know about that breed and what makes them tick. If getting a license to own these dangerous dogs seems unfair than the least a person can do is take a class on how and how not to treat and approach the dogs. I may think I am a loving and compassionate owner of a guard dog but if I don't understand the breed I am possibly putting myself, the dog and others in danger. Owning a strong and powerful dog comes with great responsibility.
By the way I have had friends with pit bulls and though most of the dogs seemed sweet I could see that these dogs could come uncorked at the slightest misreading of a situation.
Doberman Pincher's were at one time a breed dealing with a similar reputation but that has since slowed down as the dogs popularity has wained and the dogs bloodlines became pure and with out in breeding. Doberman's were known to have a brain that swelled after a few years causing insane behavior. It would seem that is not the problem it was twenty years ago.
No dog is like a gun. (Sort of) I know it may not kill as quickly as a bullet to the head but it still can kill. Owned by the wrong person it may seriously hurt or kill an innocent person or neighbors pet. Felons can own these dogs and use them for violent purposes without any kind of checks
and balances. Bottom line is a gun in the wrong hands will be used to kill. A dog when owned by the wrong person could either be sicked on an innocent person or may escape from an improperly secured pen and maim and/or kill a senior citizen, young person, or pet. The last I can say is that before a person buys a pure bred guard dog they should have all the papers and know that the dogs come from reputable breeders. Any powerful dog that is aggressive should
have regulation in place.
[/Quote] (So many are bred to kill.) Your Words.
Plus if you read the opening line of my last post you will see that I have reserved judgment on Michael Vick. I have always felt Vick was a punk thug and even if they don't find him guilty on the charges he is indicted on he still had to know about the dog fighting ring. Because he knew his cousin or whatever was living in his residence he had to have visited the home where the dogs were held. Wouldn't he have knowledge of the goings on. If it was my home I would not want to freely give it over to a relative without keeping an eye on things. This guy, like his brother is trash and though he is athletic he has no QB skills. Way over paid for a guy who's QB skills are average if he is lucky. If Vick was not aware of this stuff, shame on him for being so trusting of his house guest.
USA-1
07-19-2007, 10:03 PM
They are powerful dogs with a natural ability to attack and this potential has been recognized by those with malicious intents. That is the main reason pitbulls have received this negative reputation. So many are bred to kill, and the media focuses on every attack, that people don't realize how sweet they can be. It is people, not this breed or this breed's genetics, that are to blame.
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Which side are you on? Of course pitbulls can be sweet.... usually right before they chomp on the neighbor kid or turn on their owner.. But man has bred them to be killing machines.
Atticus
07-19-2007, 10:13 PM
Not everybody understands dogs well. Mistakes happen and dogs react badly sometimes in those situations. It appears pit bulls react badly more of the time.
USA-1
07-19-2007, 10:46 PM
Not everybody understands dogs well. Mistakes happen and dogs react badly sometimes in those situations. It appears pit bulls react badly more of the time.
Yes, and their extreme power makes them extra dangerous when they do react badly. Someone is usually maimed or killed. How many golden retrievers have killed somebody?
Last week, a pit bull mauled a 2-year-old boy in Batesville. Logo, the family dog, was tied to a tree when it attacked Matthew Villarreal, clamping down on his face and head, splitting his eyelid and ripping a nerve in his right temple.
The dog wouldn't open its jaws until Matthew's uncle stabbed it with a pocketknife, according to Constable John Simpson with the Zavala County Sheriff's Department.
Matthew was airlifted to University Hospital. Logo was euthanized.
Sauniere
07-20-2007, 01:33 AM
Not only should he be banned from the NFL, I think he should be tied to the sole standing tree in the busiest dog park in the country. Upside down.
I think he should be thrown into a ring with ten pitbulls. He makes me sick.
I think he should be thrown into a ring with ten pitbulls. He makes me sick.
John Stewart suggest we rub him down with liver and turn the dogs loose, just to see if he was as fast and elusive as advertised.
But, I don't think he should play until this is settled. He can't be there for the team and it will be a major distraction.
steveksux
07-22-2007, 07:28 PM
John Stewart suggest we rub him down with liver and turn the dogs loose, just to see if he was as fast and elusive as advertised.
But, I don't think he should play until this is settled. He can't be there for the team and it will be a major distraction.I don't disagree with this reason, although punishing someone before they are proven guilty gives me real heartburn.
But if that's the reason, that decision should be made by the team, they're the ones affected by his distraction. NFL commissioner should be concerned with the NFL as a whole, not whether a particular team would be more competitive with or without a certain player with a distraction.
Randy
Crosscheck
07-22-2007, 10:20 PM
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About eight young dogs were put to death at the Surry County home after they were found not ready to fight in April 2007, the indictment said. They were killed “by hanging, drowning and/or slamming at least one dog’s body to the ground.”
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In March 2003, after a pit bull from Bad Newz Kennels lost in a fight, it said Peace consulted with Vick about the losing dog’s condition, then executed it by wetting it with water and electrocuting it
The NFL won't have to ban him at all. If all the above mention is true and that he had a hand in this then I don't think the fans are going to let him have one second of peace on the field. He will be hounded from the second he steps on the field. Not just the PETA folks either. This will bring the taste of vomit to almost every fan who has ever owned and loved a dog.
The fans will allow wife beaters , drug abusers, and violent assaulters to play but I really feel they close the line at dog abusers. A dog tries everything to please his master and to treat an animal like this is the nature of serial murders.
May he die in poverty and forever regret blowing his whole career. This is almost like child sex abuse as there is no excuse whatsoever.
I don't disagree with this reason, although punishing someone before they are proven guilty gives me real heartburn.
But if that's the reason, that decision should be made by the team, they're the ones affected by his distraction. NFL commissioner should be concerned with the NFL as a whole, not whether a particular team would be more competitive with or without a certain player with a distraction.
Randy
I think what the team wants is for him to take a paid leave of absence as he will not be able to conduct court and prepare effectively with the team. It seems like a reasonable request to me, but has not yet been accepted.
Atticus
07-22-2007, 11:03 PM
I think what the team wants is for him to take a paid leave of absence as he will not be able to conduct court and prepare effectively with the team. It seems like a reasonable request to me, but has not yet been accepted.What's the difference between that and a suspension with pay? Other than they are asking him rather than telling him?
What's the difference between that and a suspension with pay? Other than they are asking him rather than telling him?
Well, one, they are asking him. Since he really won't be able to do the job required of him, as court dates will take away from the required practice time to get timing down, it's a reasonable request. But they are, as I understand it, also talking to the league and the players association to seek a reasonable way to proceed.
Heads_On_Pikes
07-22-2007, 11:24 PM
Quote:
About eight young dogs were put to death at the Surry County home after they were found not ready to fight in April 2007, the indictment said. They were killed “by hanging, drowning and/or slamming at least one dog’s body to the ground.”
Quote:
In March 2003, after a pit bull from Bad Newz Kennels lost in a fight, it said Peace consulted with Vick about the losing dog’s condition, then executed it by wetting it with water and electrocuting it
The NFL won't have to ban him at all. If all the above mention is true and that he had a hand in this then I don't think the fans are going to let him have one second of peace on the field. He will be hounded from the second he steps on the field. Not just the PETA folks either. This will bring the taste of vomit to almost every fan who has ever owned and loved a dog.
The fans will allow wife beaters , drug abusers, and violent assaulters to play but I really feel they close the line at dog abusers. A dog tries everything to please his master and to treat an animal like this is the nature of serial murders.
May he die in poverty and forever regret blowing his whole career. This is almost like child sex abuse as there is no excuse whatsoever.
IF found guilty, I agree. Dog fighting is disgusting and you can damn well bet there is a LOT more criminal activity associated with those involved in taking part in that particular "activity".
One of those indicted with him, Tony Taylor, as I understand it has been involved and even spent time in prison for drug related activity. Even once used a truck by Vick in such an activity. The AJC says Coach Reeves helped keep Vick's name out of the press that time.
green lantern
07-23-2007, 10:12 AM
One of those indicted with him, Tony Taylor, as I understand it has been involved and even spent time in prison for drug related activity. Even once used a truck by Vick in such an activity. The AJC says Coach Reeves helped keep Vick's name out of the press that time.perhaps coach reeves needs to be questioned as well...
NetxMan
07-23-2007, 12:28 PM
Vick has always seemed like the gangster type to me. Sad that the same crap in the NBA is moving over to the NFL.
My team has been plagued with Pac-Man Jones... What a great athlete but horrible character.
Hopefully the NFL will be hard on these types so it doesn't turn into a whole bunch of gangsters on the field.
towski
07-23-2007, 01:30 PM
Vick has always seemed like the gangster type to me. Sad that the same crap in the NBA is moving over to the NFL.
My team has been plagued with Pac-Man Jones... What a great athlete but horrible character.
Hopefully the NFL will be hard on these types so it doesn't turn into a whole bunch of gangsters on the field.
I wonder if the "gangster" problem has anything to do with dumping 15 million dollars on 18-22 year olds? I'd imagine that would create a problem in just about any sector of society. The problem is that that's precisely where your talent pool lies. How do you do a better job of making sure they are prepared for the inevitable problems and trouble that comes with that kind of cash?
NetxMan
07-23-2007, 02:41 PM
You are probably right about your asseration that the dumping of that much money on a teenager/young adult isn't good.
I think there are more that you don't hear about that do just fine with it. Its all about who you surround yourself with is those situations.
perhaps coach reeves needs to be questioned as well...
Well, his actions are being brought to light, as well as others in the organization.
But I think Towski is correct that too much money too soon, and too much of being treated as if you're special and above the rules the rest of us live by can't really be a positive. Some learn. Some are just smarter and more able to cope. But if we were trying to mold responsible young men, I think this may not be the best way to do it.
I could be wrong, but I don't believe Vick plays this year.
From bad to worse
Falcons fear serious consequences if Vick practices
Posted: Monday July 23, 2007 1:57AM; Updated: Monday July 23, 2007 11:11AM
(snip)
No matter what Blank does -- and this is in contrast to the NFL's original statement about letting the judicial process run its course -- commissioner Roger Goodell reserves the right to add on to whatever punitive action Blank will take. Both men can justify acting before Vick's trial in federal court because Vick insisted to Goodell and Blank he had no involvement at the property in question, an assertion that has been shot full of holes by four corroborating witnesses in the case.
I also strongly believe new coach Bobby Petrino would rather have a training camp with the much-maligned Joey Harrington as his starting quarterback than have a training camp with Vick as his starter, considering all the attendant problems Vick's presence could cause. Would there be daily picketing by animal-rights groups? Would Vick, the face of the franchise, be booed lustily by most fans? Imagine the nightmare of preparing for the season with the Falcons faithful ripping the home team daily. The team has considered just that possibility.
I know the Falcons are deeply worried about the circus that training camp would be if Vick were on the field.
(snip)
At the end of the day, Blank runs a football business. And imagine his bitterness knowing his franchise player, a player he committed $130 million to just 30 months ago, a player he personally wheeled around the sidelines when Vick broke his leg in 2003, got himself involved in something as distracting and hurtful as a federal dogfighting case.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/peter_king/07/22/vick/index.html?bcnn=yes
CVN76
07-23-2007, 09:48 PM
NFL Commissioner Tells Michael Vick to Stay Out of Training Camp Amid Dogfighting Charges
NEW YORK — Michael Vick was ordered by commissioner Roger Goodell on Monday to stay away from the Atlanta Falcons' training camp until the league reviews the dogfighting charges against him.
"While it is for the criminal justice system to determine your guilt or innocence, it is my responsibility as commissioner of the National Football League to determine whether your conduct, even if not criminal, nonetheless violated league policies, including the Personal Conduct Policy," Goodell said in a letter to the quarterback.
The NFL said Vick would still get his preseason pay and Goodell told the Falcons to withhold any disciplinary action of their own until the league's review was completed.
Goodell told Vick the league would complete its review as quickly as possible and that he expected full cooperation.
The Falcons open camp on Thursday, the same day Vick is scheduled to be arraigned in Richmond, Va., on charges of sponsoring a dogfighting operation.
Vick, the No. 1 overall pick in the 2001 draft, last season became the first quarterback ever to rush for more than 1,000 yards.
After his indictment last week, the NFL's position was that it would monitor developments and allow the legal process to "determine the facts."
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,290515,00.html
I'm convinced he won't play this year.
Vick hearing sparks courthouse circus scene
Media, protesters jockey for position, awaiting QB's afternoon appearance
By D. ORLANDO LEDBETTER, JEREMY REDMON
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 07/26/07
Richmond, Va. — Falcons quarterback Michael Vick is scheduled to enter a plea to dogfighting related charges in federal court here today, while his team prepares to move on without him at its first official practice of the 2007 season.
Vick and his three co-defendants are due for a bond hearing in the U.S. District Court at 3:30 p.m. followed by a 4 p.m. arraignment. A federal judge is expected to set a trial date at that arraignment.
http://www.ajc.com/falcons/content/sports/falcons/stories/2007/07/26/77130399_vick.html
http://www.ajc.com/falcons/content/sports/falcons/stories/2007/07/26/vickscene_0726.html?cxntlid=homepage_tab_newstab
Vick pleads not guilty
Dogfighting trial for Falcons QB set for Nov. 26
By JEREMY REDMON, D. ORLANDO LEDBETTER
Published on: 07/26/07
Richmond, Va. -- Michael Vick and all three co-defendants pleaded not guilty to federal dogfighting-related charges and asked for a jury trial during an appearance in federal court Thursday.
The judge set the trial date for Nov. 26.
Federal prosectors announced that a "superceding" indictment will be entered by August, meaning more charges are possible.
Vick will remain free. No bond was set, but Vick and the defendants must meet several restictions.
Vick's attorney Billy Martin read a prepared statement with Vick's mother standing by his side.
"You all heard and saw that this was the first step from Michael and proving his innocence," said Martin, who called the indictment "mere allegations."
"We are conducting our own investigation, looking forward to standing before the world to say that Michael Vick is innocent."
Martin also read a statement from Vick, apologizing to his mother. "I want to tell my mom I'm sorry for what she has to go through."
Vick apologized to his teammates for not appearing at training camp today.
"He'd like to tell the world that he'd like to be nowhere else now than at training camp," Martin said. "Ladies and gentlemen, this is going to be a hard-fought trial," Martin concluded.
http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/sports/falcons/stories/2007/07/26/vickhearing_0726.html
One POV:
"This has nothing to do with his job performance," Weiss shouted to passing cars. "Even if he's guilty, let him play. So what if he's guilty."
Minutes later he explained his stance.
"It's the warm fuzzy animal mentality. If it was rattle snake fighting, nobody would have a problem with it," he said.
http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/sports/falcons/stories/2007/07/26/falsceneonline_0726.html
I wonder how this will effect things?
Plea hearing set for Vick co-defendant
The Associated Press
Published on: 07/27/07
Richmond — One of Michael Vick's co-defendants doesn't want to wait for trial.
Instead, a plea agreement hearing has been scheduled for Tony Taylor at 9 a.m. Monday in the federal dogfighting conspiracy case.
Taylor's hearing was added to U.S. District Judge Henry E. Hudson's docket Friday, a day after he and the other three defendants pleaded not guilty before the same judge. Vick and the others still are scheduled for trial Nov. 26.
Prosecutors claim Taylor, 34, found the Surry County property purchased by Vick and used it as the site of "Bad Newz Kennels," a dogfighting enterprise. The Hampton man also allegedly helped purchase pit bulls and killed at least two dogs that fared poorly in test fights.
http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/sports/falcons/stories/2007/07/27/0728plea.html
Atticus
07-28-2007, 01:51 AM
I wonder how this will effect things?
Plea hearing set for Vick co-defendant
The Associated Press
Published on: 07/27/07
Richmond — One of Michael Vick's co-defendants doesn't want to wait for trial.
Instead, a plea agreement hearing has been scheduled for Tony Taylor at 9 a.m. Monday in the federal dogfighting conspiracy case.
Taylor's hearing was added to U.S. District Judge Henry E. Hudson's docket Friday, a day after he and the other three defendants pleaded not guilty before the same judge. Vick and the others still are scheduled for trial Nov. 26.
Prosecutors claim Taylor, 34, found the Surry County property purchased by Vick and used it as the site of "Bad Newz Kennels," a dogfighting enterprise. The Hampton man also allegedly helped purchase pit bulls and killed at least two dogs that fared poorly in test fights.
http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/sports/falcons/stories/2007/07/27/0728plea.html
Umm... I'm thinking two words: State's Evidence.
Umm... I'm thinking two words: State's Evidence.
So am I.
I believe Mr. Taylor is saying Yes Vick did:
http://alt.cimedia.com/ajc/pdf/vicktaylor0730.pdf
DRMIZER
07-30-2007, 04:51 PM
Today one of Vick's co-defendents pleaded guilty. Anyone who does this kind of activity should not only be banned from the NFL but banned from the human race.
USA-1
07-30-2007, 05:14 PM
VICK is Toast. What a piece of work he is. I hope he spends some time in prison and his lawyers bankrupt him.
Looks like soon there will only be Vick:
Vick Co-Defendants Set For Plea Agreement Hearings
ATLANTA -- The last two co-defendants in the federal dogfighting case against Falcons quarterback Michael Vick have scheduled plea agreement hearings.
Co-defendant Tony Taylor has already pleaded guilty.
The U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Virginia has scheduled plea agreement hearings for the two remaining co-defendants -- Quanis Phillips of Atlanta is scheduled for Friday at 9 a.m. and Purnell Peace of Virginia Beach is scheduled for Thursday morning at 9 a.m.
Philips and Peace were the remaining co-defendants of Vick. Taylor, Philips, Peace and Vick all plead not guilty just last month to two felony crimes -- conspiracy to commit an unlawful act and sponsoring an animal in an unlawful animal fighting venture.
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/13882652/detail.html
LibertyorDeath
08-17-2007, 02:16 AM
I wonder just what Vick's defense will be when he goes against the state and his former friends?
How is Vick gonna explain not knowing of the large number of dogs being inhumanely treated in his back yard? How is he going to explain simply turning over his home with no knowledge of all that was going on at HIS home? How is Vick going to explain away involvement when I am sure the witnesses for the defense will be tracing Vick to money used to purchase dogs and equipment? I wouldn't think the other defendants had the kind of funds that Vick has. Looks like Vick's goose is cooked!
USA-1
08-17-2007, 07:41 AM
Vick should be banned and Pitbulls should be banned from this planet.
Grandfather worried about pit bull that killed seven-year-old Minneapolis boy
A seven-year-old Minneapolis boy was killed Wednesday afternoon by a pit bulldog his father kept chained up in the basement of the family home. Zachary King died after being bitten on the throat.
"I saw blood all the way down his neck, all the way down to his feet," said Lincoln Freeman, a neighbor. "It was just horrible.
When the boy's father ran to help his son, he too was severely bitten, on the arm. The father, also named Zachary King, then shot and killed the dog with his gun.
Minneapolis Animal Control and Care removed six other pit bulls from the home, including a female and her five puppies.
"I don't know if he was playing with the dog or what," said Robert L. King, Zachary's Grandfather. He worried about his grandchildren being around the pit bulls and recently warned Zachary to "back away from that dog" when he saw him playing with the pit bull that later killed him. "I don't trust pit bulls period," he said. "As far as I'm concerned you can kill them all."
http://www.kare11.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=262338
Report: Vick agrees to plea deal, prison possible
Story Highlights
# NEW: Vick to plead guilty to conspiracy in dogfighting case, newspaper says
# Prosecutors offering Vick 18-36 months, sources tell CNN
# Three of Vick's co-defendants have pleaded guilty in dog fighting case
# NFL has not announced how Vick's career would be affected by plea
From Mike Phelan
CNN
(CNN) -- Atlanta Falcons quarterback Michael Vick has accepted a plea deal that could send him to prison, ending a federal dogfighting prosecution that jeopardizes his pro football career, a Virginia newspaper is reporting.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/08/20/vick/index.html
The judge is not bound by the agreement. So, should the judge follow the agreement, or give Vick up to six years?
LibertyorDeath
08-20-2007, 05:33 PM
Vick should be banned and Pitbulls should be banned from this planet.
Grandfather worried about pit bull that killed seven-year-old Minneapolis boy
A seven-year-old Minneapolis boy was killed Wednesday afternoon by a pit bulldog his father kept chained up in the basement of the family home. Zachary King died after being bitten on the throat.
"I saw blood all the way down his neck, all the way down to his feet," said Lincoln Freeman, a neighbor. "It was just horrible.
When the boy's father ran to help his son, he too was severely bitten, on the arm. The father, also named Zachary King, then shot and killed the dog with his gun.
Minneapolis Animal Control and Care removed six other pit bulls from the home, including a female and her five puppies.
"I don't know if he was playing with the dog or what," said Robert L. King, Zachary's Grandfather. He worried about his grandchildren being around the pit bulls and recently warned Zachary to "back away from that dog" when he saw him playing with the pit bull that later killed him. "I don't trust pit bulls period," he said. "As far as I'm concerned you can kill them all."
http://www.kare11.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=262338
Pitbulls are no doubt a breed with a nasty reputation both deserved and at times undeserved. With so many stories in the news about pitbull attacks it would seem something should be done. My personal opinion is that a person should take classes for caring for specific breeds of guard dogs and they should also be made to have a permit or license to own such an animal. The cost of such would depend on the animals attack record in the state they live in. I also think all communities should force people to immunize their dogs from rabies.
My thinking is if people buy their dogs from dealers who haven't been checked thoroughly for correct breeding practices they should be fined or spend time in jail. One of the main problems with these dogs imo is the fact that they come from a long line of in breeding and other corrupt practices. If we could somehow make owning these dogs a little harder and we could see to it that the dogs are adopted from good backgrounds and lessen the chances that these dogs suffer from emotional issues we may have fewer attacks. It won't change the dogs overall make up but maybe lessen the attack mentality a bit more. I would like to see research about these dogs breeding and environmental factors. Those who say it is the owners of these dogs who cause this are misguided at best. These dogs come from a long line of fighting and in breeding. Good owners get attacked or lose control of these dogs as well. I don't think we can exterminate these dogs but we can take precautions and pass laws to protect the dogs and those who may be attacked in the future.
USA-1
08-23-2007, 12:40 PM
http://kstp.com/article/stories/S174948.shtml?cat=1
A four-year-old boy is recovering after he was bitten by a dog overnight in the north metro.
Rescue crews were called to the 4600 block of Polk St. NE in Fridley just after midnight.
The boy has been identified by his family as Taylor Bailey.
His grandfather Ron Walters told 5 EYEWITNESS NEWS that the dog that attacked him is a pit bull that lives near the boy.
He said he's heard about recent dog attacks in the Twin Cities, but never thought it would happen to his family. Walters also said his daughter and grandchildren have no health insurance.
"The back of his leg was lying open," Walters said. The boy is recovering at Unity Hospital; his specific condition was not immediately available.
People own pitbulls because of some shortcomings in their personal lives. The dogs have a rep and the owners want that tough guy rep. They think it's cool to own a dog that can kill a human being. It is just another part of our sick culture.
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