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towski
08-16-2007, 04:41 PM
http://www.abpnews.com/2703.article

An early candidate for the presidency of the Southern Baptist Convention has called on Baptists to pray for misfortune to befall employees of a church-state watchdog group.

Wiley Drake, a pastor, radio crusader and Baptist gadfly, issued an Aug. 14 statement calling for “imprecatory prayer” from his supporters against two communications staffers for Americans United for Separation of Church and State. The term “imprecatory prayer” is used to describe prayers, mostly in the Bible's Old Testament, that the righteous used to call down God’s wrath against their enemies.

Americans United, based in Washington, advocates for a strict interpretation of the Constitution’s ban on government support for religion. They asked the Internal Revenue Service to investigate the tax-exempt status of Drake’s congregation, First Southern Baptist Church of Buena Park, Calif., after Drake used church letterhead and a church-supported radio show to endorse a Republican presidential candidate.

Drake, who served as the SBCs second vice president in 2006-2007, also became the first person publicly announced as a nominee for the SBC presidency Aug. 13. That day a member of Drake’s church, Robert Bosworth, announced his intention to nominate his pastor for the SBC presidency at the denomination’s next annual meeting, in June in Indianapolis.

Drake sent out the statement endorsing former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee Aug. 11, and later endorsed him again on his radio show. On Aug. 12, Huckabee surprised many observers by coming in second place in the Republican field in the Iowa Straw Poll.


“Use of church letterhead to endorse a candidate for public office appears to violate the provisions of federal tax law that prohibit non-profit intervention in political campaigns,” Lynn said. “Drake’s endorsement of a candidate on a church-based radio show raises the same concerns.”

In the past, churches that faced similar charges have lost their tax-exempt status, although often the IRS simply warns tax-exempt organizations against further violations.

The letterhead Drake used for the Huckabee endorsement also lists his SBC vice-presidential office. The fact that he formerly served as an SBC officer is also noted on the press release calling for God’s wrath on Americans United.

In the statement, Drake asks supporters to “specifically target” the group’s communications director, Joe Conn, and his associate, Jeremy Leaming. Their names usually appear as the return address or contact line on press releases. Drake’s call to arms said Conn and Leaming “are those who lead the attack” on him.

Ethos
08-16-2007, 05:02 PM
If a tornado were to demolish the church, I wonder how such a message would be interpreted.

Ethos

DrWho
08-16-2007, 05:48 PM
http://www.abpnews.com/2703.article

When people do evil things justice demands that they receive the consequence due to them. I would be a a pretty bad person if I learned that the guy down the street was preying on the young children in the neighborhood and I didn't get upset about it and motivated to do something within the law to stop it. I would even be justified to ask God for help.

But somehow I doubt that this pastor is merely pursuing a righteous cause.

DrWho
08-16-2007, 05:50 PM
If a tornado were to demolish the church, I wonder how such a message would be interpreted.

Ethos


I would think that the building wasn't strong enough to resist a tornado.

The Big Bog
08-16-2007, 05:52 PM
When people do evil things justice demands that they receive the consequence due to them. I would be a a pretty bad person if I learned that the guy down the street was preying on the young children in the neighborhood and I didn't get upset about it and motivated to do something within the law to stop it. I would even be justified to ask God for help.


What about people who pray for bad things to happen to other people for political reasons?

towski
08-16-2007, 05:53 PM
When people do evil things justice demands that they receive the consequence due to them. I would be a a pretty bad person if I learned that the guy down the street was preying on the young children in the neighborhood and I didn't get upset about it and motivated to do something within the law to stop it. I would even be justified to ask God for help.

But somehow I doubt that this pastor is merely pursuing a righteous cause.

A group that believes in seperation of church and state does 'evil things' that 'demand justice', similar to 'child predators'??? :eek:

dittohead not!
08-16-2007, 06:26 PM
Suggested prayer:

Oh, almighty God, please bring down thy wrath on the heads of Americans United for Separation of Church and State. They are vile, and evil people who actually believe in the Constitution of the United States and not in the divine theocracy that we wish on the world.

A nice plague of locusts would be nice, but please be sure that they don't eat our crops as well.

Come to think of it, an earthquake that destroys their building, or perhaps a plague of boils..

Yes, that's it. A plague of big red, boils on their heads, and on their butts as well. That's what we, as compassionate Christians wish on these despicable people.

Oh, yes and while thee is at it, how about a little rewrite of the Bill of Rights, just to get Satan out of it?

Amen.

DrWho
08-16-2007, 06:40 PM
What about people who pray for bad things to happen to other people for political reasons?


It still doesn't sound like a righteous cause. Could that be the reason that in Jesus' prayer which he gave us as an example He included "not my will but yours" I guess it's a good thing that the person who answers prays is righteous.

DrWho
08-16-2007, 06:43 PM
A group that believes in seperation of church and state does 'evil things' that 'demand justice', similar to 'child predators'??? :eek:

I'm sorry I wasn't clear. I highly doubt that these people can be equated with the child molesters. I was saying that the pastor has probably gotten things really screwed up in his mind.

Alvin T. Grey
08-16-2007, 06:56 PM
Calling himself a 'Christian' for a start. I seem to remember Jesus as being rather against smiting.
Come to think of it, he was probably the first Liberal in history........Hmmmmmm, now there's a thought.

Atticus
08-16-2007, 07:08 PM
I think they have the wrong approach:

Luke 6:27-28--"But I say unto you that hear, Love your enemies, do good to them that hate you, bless them that curse you, pray for them that despitefully use you." (emphasis added)

Romans 12:19-21--"Avenge not yourselves, beloved, but give place unto the wrath of God : for it is written, Vengeance belongeth unto me; I will recompense, saith the Lord. But if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him to drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire upon his head. Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good." (emphasis added)

burntgorilla
08-16-2007, 09:34 PM
I think they have the wrong approach:

Luke 6:27-28--"But I say unto you that hear, Love your enemies, do good to them that hate you, bless them that curse you, pray for them that despitefully use you." (emphasis added)

Romans 12:19-21--"Avenge not yourselves, beloved, but give place unto the wrath of God : for it is written, Vengeance belongeth unto me; I will recompense, saith the Lord. But if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him to drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire upon his head. Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good." (emphasis added)

Unfortunately that end of the Bible seems to have taken a back seat in recent years.

dittohead not!
08-17-2007, 12:48 AM
I think they have the wrong approach:

Luke 6:27-28--"But I say unto you that hear, Love your enemies, do good to them that hate you, bless them that curse you, pray for them that despitefully use you." (emphasis added)

Romans 12:19-21--"Avenge not yourselves, beloved, but give place unto the wrath of God : for it is written, Vengeance belongeth unto me; I will recompense, saith the Lord. But if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him to drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire upon his head. Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good." (emphasis added)

That sounds like the words of a social liberal to me. I think Alvin is right.