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coberst
11-22-2007, 06:36 AM
Negative persona (mask) inhibits learning

‘To be negative’ is not the same as ‘to be critical’.

The dictionary has many definitions for this word, “critical”, but I would choose the critical (decisive) meaning, as regarding learning, to be—exercising or involving careful judgment or judicious evaluation.

A negative persona is an attitude of non-acceptance.

I think that part of the problem is that too many of us have only an accept button and a reject button.

Accept or reject are not the only options one has. The most important and generally overlooked, especially by the young, is the option to ‘hold’.

It appears to me that many young people consider that ‘to be negative is to be cool’. This leads them into responding that ‘X’ is false when responding to an OP that states that ‘X’ is true.

When a person takes a public position affirming or denying the truth of ‘Y’ they are often locking themselves into a difficult position. If their original position was based on opinion rather than judgment their ego will not easily allow them to change position once they have studied and analyzed ‘Y’.

The moral of this story is that holding a default position of ‘reject or accept’, when we are ignorant, is not smart because our ego will fight any attempt to modify the opinion with a later judgment. Silence, or questions directed at comprehending the matter under consideration, is the smart decision for everyone’s default position.

Our options are reject, accept, and hold. I claim that ‘hold’ is the most important and should be the most often used because everyone is ignorant of almost everything.

Do you accept, reject, or hold judgment regarding my claim?

Izdaari
11-22-2007, 07:53 AM
I accept it, and I personally like to use 'hold' quite a lot. See my reply to your 'argument is war' thread. :lol:

mataj
11-22-2007, 08:28 AM
My persona is as negative as they come, yet, I learn negative things very easily.

O'Grouchy
11-22-2007, 05:10 PM
Unfortunately critical thinking isn't what is taught in schools. There are taught to memorize and regurgitate and otherwise don't rock the boat. This in my opinon leaves kids to choose toeing the line or being totally contrary. This was never more evident than when a friend wanted to pass her LSAT tests (needed for admission to law school). She had taken numerous pre-tests online with horrifying results. Though I have never studied anything alone the lines of law, due to certain traits I have regarding seeing fundamental problems instead of focusing on specifics, she came to me to see if I could help.

She sat down to take another pre-test and I just watched for a while and had her verbalize her thoughts regarding each question without editing her thoughts. Within five questions it was clear she was still in "good student" mode and was accepting the premise given and answering appropriate to that POV. (She got all five wrong). So I pointed out to her that law was more about being critical and argumentative and to read the next five questions with the intent of arguing with it; she got the next five right. Took the real test and went straight to law school in Arizona.

It is a complete shame on our educational system that being a "good" student means accepting and regurgitating rather than thinking and evaluating critically.

Riddley
11-22-2007, 06:13 PM
A part of this must be the amount of personal investment that people put into their opinions. Changing ones mind means, however slightly, an admission that one was not correct in ones original assessment. Then you have to wonder about all of the other things that you believe. School is not about weighing up evidence and, in general, does not value that. What we are supposed to do is remember things to help us pass tests. In employment most managers do not value independent thinking, mostly one does what one is told. People get out of the habit of looking at something from both sides.

O'Grouchy
11-22-2007, 08:08 PM
A part of this must be the amount of personal investment that people put into their opinions. Changing ones mind means, however slightly, an admission that one was not correct in ones original assessment. Then you have to wonder about all of the other things that you believe. School is not about weighing up evidence and, in general, does not value that. What we are supposed to do is remember things to help us pass tests. In employment most managers do not value independent thinking, mostly one does what one is told. People get out of the habit of looking at something from both sides.

Yeah, I agree wholeheartedly that it doesn't get any better in the workplace. No one appreciates ideas that might help things unless you have been there a long time or were specifically hired to improve things. But it is a shame that we don't limit our "obedience" as it were to just employment (where one is being paid to be obedient) but seems to bleed into most all aspects of life. All you have to do is look to the advertisements that are successful to realize this. I decided a while back to not patronize any place whose ads indicated that their customers were idiots (Albertsons with Patricia something and the Carl's Jrs. ads come to mind first). Anyway, it was amazing how few places I felt I could continue to patronize.