Surfers ***** Slap Paparazzi

[ScummyD]

Localism. I'm loving this.

video (http://www.tmz.com/tmz_main_video?titleid=1620740763)

Around 12 photographers were on the beach in Malibu this afternoon trying to get shots of Matty (Mathew McConaughey) hitting the surf, when an all-out smackdown was laid on the pappers by turf-protecting surfers.

One pap was hit in the face and we're told suffered a broken nose, while another was thrown into some rocks and had his camera smashed. McConaughey was not involved in the ruckus.

Police tell us a battery report was filed by one photographer and no arrests have been made.

:laughter:

You best exhibit some etiquette when you go to the beach. Or you might just end up beat up, boards broken, or cars waxed.

[eugene40]

I am surprised then didn't beat up them and McConaughey for attracting them.

[ScummyD]

I am surprised then didn't beat up them and McConaughey for attracting them.
It was no fault of McConaughey that's why. The poor bastard, like any star, would not be able to go outside if he concerned himself with this sort of thing. I think they understand that and can appreciate the situation he is in.

But then again, surf photographers and even world class professional surfers sometimes get harassed when they show up at certain spots and start shooting. If the pro surfer showed up alone it is usually okay, but when they cart photographers with them the **** hits the fan. So the photogs hide in the bushes with camouflaged cameras and dark clothing and shoot with powerful lenses from the shoreline under cover. Even then it is not unlikely that some locals will go ballistic. Like yelling and screaming profanities when the pro gets anywhere within 30 yards of the local, telling him to go the **** home, get the **** out of here, and threatening violence.

So it is really just dependent on the break and the nature of the locals there. Being that this was at "Mistos" in Malibu, the locs are probably used to an occasional star paddling out.

[Jarlaxle]

I hope the dirtbags who attacked the photographers end up with long prison sentences, gargantuan fines and/or civil jugdements (six figures), and felony records that follow them forever. Idiocy should be painful.

[ScummyD]

Prison? :lol: Yeah right.

No matter what the sentence it would never be stiff enough to do anything to prevent this or dissuade people from doing it in the future.

[eugene40]

It was no fault of McConaughey that's why. The poor bastard, like any star, would not be able to go outside if he concerned himself with this sort of thing. I think they understand that and can appreciate the situation he is in.

Yea but I have been used to Surfers in Hawaii, I think they would have beaten him up too. I imagine they are used to it in Malibu. Never Surfed there though. I hear that it is nice but if I am heading down that way I prefer Baja or Northern Cali the water is colder but there are less people up there.

But then again, surf photographers and even world class professional surfers sometimes get harassed when they show up at certain spots and start shooting. If the pro surfer showed up alone it is usually okay, but when they cart photographers with them the **** hits the fan. So the photogs hide in the bushes with camouflaged cameras and dark clothing and shoot with powerful lenses from the shoreline under cover. Even then it is not unlikely that some locals will go ballistic. Like yelling and screaming profanities when the pro gets anywhere within 30 yards of the local, telling him to go the **** home, get the **** out of here, and threatening violence.

Yea I have seen that before.

[AgentM]

Immature of the surfers to say the least, but I can understand the sentiments.

[Dangerrmouse]

They all need some prison time with Bubba.

[jamesrage]

As far as I am concerned Paparazzi are nothing more than legal stalkers. The Paparazzi scum got what they deserved.

[SurferH2O]

LOL... This was a beat down just waiting to happen. You do not go into a surf beach with a bunch of cameras to pick on one of their own without permission. The Paparazzi are stalkers and that crap does not fly with surfers who value their privacy. They are lucky this incident did not happen elsewhere. I saw the video and those are the pudgiest set of surfers I have seen in a while. A beat down at the H.B. Cliffs or San Clemente would have meant some hospital time for the stalkers.

Even professional surf photographers have the etiquette to let the surfers know in "territorial breaks" that they are present and are basically "asking for permission". Paparazzi... lol... a beat down waiting to happen. If a pro-photographer goes camo and gets caught he too risks a beat down.

The Paparazzi were not only rude, but stupid. I heard that the comment that truly started the beat down was a photographer telling the surfers to "get jobs" after the surfers told the Paparazzi to "get a real job."

That is just a bad idea.

[ScummyD]

etiquette


That's exactly the word. It's all about etiquette and long as been.

Which is kind of funny, because that is the exact word I use when describing how things work to outsiders and here you, as surfer and somebody I don't know, use the same term.

The unwritten laws violation of which can indeed land you in the hospital.

Did you guys hear that little ***** of a photog whining after he got his nose broken??? :lol: A sniveling, crying little bit of cursing as he walked away in pain and humiliation forever captured on film now racing around the internet. :laughter:

[NiteGuy]

That's exactly the word. It's all about etiquette and long as been.

Which is kind of funny, because that is the exact word I use when describing how things work to outsiders and here you, as surfer and somebody I don't know, use the same term.

The unwritten laws violation of which can indeed land you in the hospital.

Did you guys hear that little ***** of a photog whining after he got his nose broken??? :lol: A sniveling, crying little bit of cursing as he walked away in pain and humiliation forever captured on film now racing around the internet. :laughter:

So, let me see if I have this straight...

A half dozen or so photographers come out to take pictures and video of a hollywood star surfing at a public beach. At least double that number of local surfers spot the photographers, harrass them, assault a number of them, and run them off the beach.

And you consider this a matter of etiquette? I consider it a matter of criminal activity. Since when is harrassment and beating up someone for being on a public beach, regardless of what they are doing there, as long as the activity is legal, considered okay?

The stance on this incident by the "law and order" conservatives on this board defies belief. I guess it's perfectly all right to beat up on somebody just because you don't like what their doing. So much for that whole adhering to the rule of law thing.

Stay classy guys....

[ScummyD]

And you consider this a matter of etiquette? I consider it a matter of criminal activity.
Uh, those are not mutually exclusive.

Since when is harrassment and beating up someone for being on a public beach, regardless of what they are doing there, as long as the activity is legal, considered okay?
Since about the late 1950s/mid-1960s when Dora ruled da 'Bu.

The stance on this incident by the "law and order" conservatives on this board defies belief. I guess it's perfectly all right to beat up on somebody just because you don't like what their doing. So much for that whole adhering to the rule of law thing.
Cry me a river.

[SurferH2O]

So, let me see if I have this straight...

No... you won't get this straight.

You are destined to get this wrong unless you have every put in the time to understand the culture at a prized surf break. People paid their dues at the spot, which means the put in often blood and sweat to do something they love and are damned if they are going to let some greedy photogs mess it up with crowds of kooks who will take away their way of life by eventually crowding the waters with other kooks looking to join "the crowd".

Try surfing a fine break in that atmosphere. These photogs took an *** kicking that will save the beach and save a whole lot of "ducks" (Dumbass F- word = Ducks) from taking beat downs when they ruin waves by not knowing and thus following etiquette when they drop in on locals and ruin the whole line up. Consider this "justice" to have saved many other altercations in the future.

So no... you will never get this straight because you have zero clue of how bad this situation could get. It is why there is localism, secret spots, and advertisement is not wanted. This same scenario would have happened at nearly any real good break in California, with an exception. Those Malibu boys looked a bit paunchy. Show up at Lower Trestles, the Cliffs, some spots an Newport which I will not name, or much of San Diego county like that and meet some real bruisers who will do more than break that kooks nose. He also won't have a car to drive home in.

[towski]

Do as I say, not as I do.

[prst31]

No... you won't get this straight.

You are destined to get this wrong unless you have every put in the time to understand the culture at a prized surf break. People paid their dues at the spot, which means the put in often blood and sweat to do something they love and are damned if they are going to let some greedy photogs mess it up with crowds of kooks who will take away their way of life by eventually crowding the waters with other kooks looking to join "the crowd".

Try surfing a fine break in that atmosphere. These photogs took an *** kicking that will save the beach and save a whole lot of "ducks" (Dumbass F- word = Ducks) from taking beat downs when they ruin waves by not knowing and thus following etiquette when they drop in on locals and ruin the whole line up. Consider this "justice" to have saved many other altercations in the future.

So no... you will never get this straight because you have zero clue of how bad this situation could get. It is why there is localism, secret spots, and advertisement is not wanted. This same scenario would have happened at nearly any real good break in California, with an exception. Those Malibu boys looked a bit paunchy. Show up at Lower Trestles, the Cliffs, some spots an Newport which I will not name, or much of San Diego county like that and meet some real bruisers who will do more than break that kooks nose. He also won't have a car to drive home in.
Neosurferlocalcons! :D

[NiteGuy]

No... you won't get this straight.

You are destined to get this wrong unless you have every put in the time to understand the culture at a prized surf break. People paid their dues at the spot, which means the put in often blood and sweat to do something they love and are damned if they are going to let some greedy photogs mess it up with crowds of kooks who will take away their way of life by eventually crowding the waters with other kooks looking to join "the crowd".

Try surfing a fine break in that atmosphere. These photogs took an *** kicking that will save the beach and save a whole lot of "ducks" (Dumbass F- word = Ducks) from taking beat downs when they ruin waves by not knowing and thus following etiquette when they drop in on locals and ruin the whole line up. Consider this "justice" to have saved many other altercations in the future.

So no... you will never get this straight because you have zero clue of how bad this situation could get. It is why there is localism, secret spots, and advertisement is not wanted. This same scenario would have happened at nearly any real good break in California, with an exception. Those Malibu boys looked a bit paunchy. Show up at Lower Trestles, the Cliffs, some spots an Newport which I will not name, or much of San Diego county like that and meet some real bruisers who will do more than break that kooks nose. He also won't have a car to drive home in.

Gee, another hypocrit who insists that everyone else follow the rules or the law, but feels no such compunction when it comes to him.

What you'll never get straight, Surfer, is that this is a public beach. Your primitive notions of territoriality notwithstanding, the beach is there for everyone's use, not just you and your buddies.

I don't give a flying fig that your boys are trying to protect what they deem to be "theirs" in terms of good waves, and short rotation lines. They broke the goddamned law.

And anyone of the thugs who can be identified from the photos or videos, beating up someone, or trashing their property, should be in jail, facing not just criminal charges but civil action from the photogs for any physical damage, loss of equipment, and any other damage done.

Maybe next time then, they'll think before they start harrassing folks, and throwing punches.

Question: What would you have thought, if the numbers had been reversed, and the photogs out numbered the surfers by a 2 to 1 margine, and it was the surfers who got the beat-down? I bet you'd be screaming for the cops then.

[AgentM]

Gee, another hypocrit who insists that everyone else follow the rules or the law, but feels no such compunction when it comes to him.

What you'll never get straight, Surfer, is that this is a public beach. Your primitive notions of territoriality notwithstanding, the beach is there for everyone's use, not just you and your buddies.

I don't give a flying fig that your boys are trying to protect what they deem to be "theirs" in terms of good waves, and short rotation lines. They broke the goddamned law.

Hear hear! Well said!

[serenity]

Gee, another hypocrit who insists that everyone else follow the rules or the law, but feels no such compunction when it comes to him.

What you'll never get straight, Surfer, is that this is a public beach. Your primitive notions of territoriality notwithstanding, the beach is there for everyone's use, not just you and your buddies.

I don't give a flying fig that your boys are trying to protect what they deem to be "theirs" in terms of good waves, and short rotation lines. They broke the goddamned law.

And anyone of the thugs who can be identified from the photos or videos, beating up someone, or trashing their property, should be in jail, facing not just criminal charges but civil action from the photogs for any physical damage, loss of equipment, and any other damage done.

Maybe next time then, they'll think before they start harrassing folks, and throwing punches.

Question: What would you have thought, if the numbers had been reversed, and the photogs out numbered the surfers by a 2 to 1 margine, and it was the surfers who got the beat-down? I bet you'd be screaming for the cops then.


Of course you're right. And no doubt it would be fun to watch the territorial, self-proclaimed "owners" take a bit of their own medicine. (And surfers are not exactly nortoriously tougher than everybody else: that's what we call a self-adoring myth.)

[SurferH2O]

Gee, another hypocrit who insists that everyone else follow the rules or the law, but feels no such compunction when it comes to him.

What you'll never get straight, Surfer, is that this is a public beach. Your primitive notions of territoriality notwithstanding, the beach is there for everyone's use, not just you and your buddies.

I don't give a flying fig that your boys are trying to protect what they deem to be "theirs" in terms of good waves, and short rotation lines. They broke the goddamned law.

And anyone of the thugs who can be identified from the photos or videos, beating up someone, or trashing their property, should be in jail, facing not just criminal charges but civil action from the photogs for any physical damage, loss of equipment, and any other damage done.

Maybe next time then, they'll think before they start harassing folks, and throwing punches.

Question: What would you have thought, if the numbers had been reversed, and the photogs out numbered the surfers by a 2 to 1 margine, and it was the surfers who got the beat-down? I bet you'd be screaming for the cops then.

It has more to do with what goes on in the water, than on the beach. When a spot gets known by some kook surfers because of exposure like this from some dumb *** photogs, then real issues and injuries happen. If you have ever seen what happens when one surfer accidentally runs over some kook who dropped who did not have priority, then perhaps you would not be talking out of the side of your neck.

These surfers know from experience and history that when a surf break gets this kind of exposure that will be the inevitable bloody ER visit conclusion. A broken nose by a photog and a few slashed tires will pale in comparison to the injuries that will be sustained at that break if the kooks show up.

If this was just another part of H.B.'s 4 mile beach, then let the photogs go. This is limited break with finite opportunities.

The surfers know the law and are more than willing to deal with the consequences. I have seen this first hand. I am not playing internet tough guy. I have let more crap go in the water than 90% of the guys I know. I only once had a real altercation in the water, and that was because the same damn idiot dropped in on me two consecutive times causing me to wipe out and take my board on the head the second time. I had even warned him after the fist offense. Yep, I punched him right on the jaw. Will he do it again? I doubt it. I explained priority to him as he sulked off while a crowd of locals tried to bait me to completely finish him off.

I was also ran over once by another kook that could not turn his freaking plank. When I came back up to go ballistic a chick surfer gave this guy such a rash of crap that I really had nothing to say except to ask her out. She laughed and said no.

As for a photog to surfer beat down. From the looks of those guys in Malibu, that is quite possible. They looked really weak. It would take more than a 2 to 1 at the Cliffs in H.B., in San Diego County, at Trestles, etc... but if it happened, I can say that it is the way of the jungle which is what surfing is about. The surfers would take their beatings and show up the next day. There is a pecking order, there are rules not on any books, and their are consequences to violating them.

Imagine a kook dropping in on me in the following shot.

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f141/SurferH2O/RockyPierWinter2006.jpg

Someone is getting hurt... I would hope that it is not me.

Just because the law says it is alright to stalk a celebrity or take shots of a prized surf break does not make it right. And... when things are not right I have no problem standing up for what is right.

As I stated you will never get it.

[Dangerrmouse]

These petty criminals need to be shown no tolerance, and prosecuted for their all too common thuggery.

[ScummyD]

:laughter:

[Heads_On_Pikes]

...Surfin' ... Surfin' U.S.A. ... :D

Some tards got smacked down. What's the big deal?

[Crosscheck]

Of course you're right. And no doubt it would be fun to watch the territorial, self-proclaimed "owners" take a bit of their own medicine. (And surfers are not exactly nortoriously tougher than everybody else: that's what we call a self-adoring myth.)


I have some logger friends up here in the Northwest who I would put up against any of these surfers.
I know these surfers are a gnarly bunch but my money would still be on the boys up here in Oregon.

One thing I have learned is never try to arm wrestle some guy who makes his living with a 24 inch chain saw.

[ScummyD]

I have some logger friends up here in the Northwest who I would put up against any of these surfers.
My uncle owns Kellerman Logging out of Oregon. Bring it.

[serenity]

I have some logger friends up here in the Northwest who I would put up against any of these surfers.
I know these surfers are a gnarly bunch but my money would still be on the boys up here in Oregon.

One thing I have learned is never try to arm wrestle some guy who makes his living with a 24 inch chain saw.


:) I hear that. I've lost much of my strength since I made foreman (I get all the young bucks to climb the seventy foot trees...screw that noise, I'm done. :) ), and not that I was ever Superman to begin with--but some of these guys are as hard as the trees they kill.

[Crosscheck]

My uncle owns Kellerman Logging out of Oregon. Bring it.

Your uncle can rip your arm off you, can't he? ;)

[ScummyD]

I never beat him arm wrestling.

"It's a hard land that breeds a hard man."--Louis L'Amour

[SurferH2O]

I would bet loggers would throttle the surfers in that video. As I said they looked pudgy. However, a logger/surfer battle royal with surfers from Trestles representing would be a great battle! I would buy tickets.

Many loggers apparently are missing limbs however? Is it legal for them to in act a beat down with their prosthetics?

We certainly need some rule discussions. Surfers are big into etiquette. :D

[serenity]

Many loggers apparently are missing limbs however? Is it legal for them to in act a beat down with their prosthetics?

We certainly need some rule discussions. Surfers are big into etiquette.

Ah, an excellent point!

1. Both surfers and loggers have excellent balance; but I'd lean slightly in favor of the surfers on that one.

2. Both tend (yes, a generalization) to being decently strong.

3. Both are at home in rough elements.

4. Yes, loggers are often, though not always, wounded. I'm missing a pinkie finger, personally, though I don't think that matters much.

5. Loggers tend to be cigarette smokers. (I can't speak for surfers.)

6. The median age of loggers is arguably older than that of surfers.

This gives surfers the edge on energy, but loggers the edge on experience.

(That's why women always disagree about which is preferable, the 20 year olds or the 40 year olds: we both have our special charms, I guess).

So yeah, maybe I'm being too optimistic about the logger win. Then again, loggers are magnificent and excellent, so there's that.

We'll never know till we organize the battle. (Neutral terrain: flat ground. 'Cuz you guys would trounce us in the water, and we'd destroy you in the trees. :) )

[AgentM]

I'd buy tickets to that. Coming from a forestry town I'd be rooting for the loggers...then afterwords I'd promptly sign up for surfing lessons.

[Crosscheck]

http://rcrawford79.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/axmen12.jpg

The one thing this guy has that the surfer doesn't is hard as nail toughness. Surfing takes physical agility and atheletism for certain. Am certain they could hold their own in a city tavern fight. The surfer could out run the logger.

But climbing through brush over the roughest terrain and through the crappiest weather this is one tough hombre. I don't care how many days a week that surfer goes to Gold's Gym. The logger is hardened like a knife blade.

[ScummyD]

Tell that Laird Hamilton. He'd kick the **** out that logger all day long.

[ScummyD]

http://www.sheilaomalley.com/archives/laird_hamilton_teahupoo.jpg
Teahupoo.

[Heads_On_Pikes]

http://rcrawford79.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/axmen12.jpg

The one thing this guy has that the surfer doesn't is hard as nail toughness. Surfing takes physical agility and atheletism for certain. Am certain they could hold their own in a city tavern fight. The surfer could out run the logger.

But climbing through brush over the roughest terrain and through the crappiest weather this is one tough hombre. I don't care how many days a week that surfer goes to Gold's Gym. The logger is hardened like a knife blade.


You oughtta see that guys wife!!!!

I don't know man, crazy tough is good ... but that guy don't real bright. A sharp mind is the best weapon. Does he even realize, or care, that there is a handle on that tool? :D

>>stirs Surfers vs, Loggers pot furiously<<

I gotta go with Surfers so far, I think they sustain less rock-to heads shots. Loggers get more limb-to-head shots. I am going to Google the stats tomorrow and place my bet!

[serenity]

I don't know man, crazy tough is good ... but that guy don't real bright. A sharp mind is the best weapon. Does he even realize, or care, that there is a handle on that tool?

(First, I want to point out the irony in someone saying, "but that guy don't real bright." :) )



Sure, we're not bright. But that only means we don't understand the consequences of our actions, and are more likely to commit homicide during our battle.

As for the saw--this guy's so tough that he prefers the feel of the teeth slicing his shoulder to ribbons.

You guys are screwed.

[Dangerrmouse]

What do you mean handle? He's holding the handle! He doesn't need a namby-pamby saw when he can club trees down with that tool of his!

[SurferH2O]

Nah.... he doesn't even use that to take down the trees, that is what his fists are for. Note: He only wear the gloves when he punches trees down to protect woodland creatures he must rough handle at times. Otherwise he would likely squish wolves, elk, and bears with his bare hands. The gloves give a softness to his Ogre like powers.

The chainsaw is just weight to keep him fit during lunch breaks.

[Jarlaxle]

Old age and treachery will beat youth and enthusiasm every time. My wife has this framed in her exercise room, and used to say it to her students, usually after sending someone twice her size and 10 years younger flying.

Also, the surfers might be dumb enough to fight fair. Loggers aren't that stupid...knuckledusters (my wife has--and highly recommends--them sewn into a pair of kidskin gloves), steel-toe boots, shivs, a 2" guardrail nut on 3' of twine or fishing line (don't laugh until you've seen it in action).

The easier solution for dealing with the thugs would be a simple 5-6 person blanket party, though. I'll donate a couple old blankets and a tire knocker.

[AgentM]

Old age and treachery will beat youth and enthusiasm every time. My wife has this framed in her exercise room, and used to say it to her students, usually after sending someone twice her size and 10 years younger flying.

:eek: Where/what does your wife teach?

[Crosscheck]

Tell that Laird Hamilton. He'd kick the **** out that logger all day long.

Yes, an Sylvester Stallone could whip Mike Tyson. :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Crosscheck]

The more I think about it. Wouldn't you love to see Sylvester Stallone fight someone like Larry Holmes ( only three yrs apart in age). In a real full contact fight. Even Joe Frazier I bet could still be one nasty customer in the square ring.

[Jarlaxle]

Where/what does your wife teach?

She used to be a martial arts instructor.

[ScummyD]

Yes, an Sylvester Stallone could whip Mike Tyson. :lol: :lol: :lol:
You obviously know very little about surfing.

[ScummyD]

http://rcrawford79.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/axmen12.jpg

The one thing this guy has that the surfer doesn't is hard as nail toughness. Surfing takes physical agility and atheletism for certain. Am certain they could hold their own in a city tavern fight. The surfer could out run the logger.

But climbing through brush over the roughest terrain and through the crappiest weather this is one tough hombre. I don't care how many days a week that surfer goes to Gold's Gym. The logger is hardened like a knife blade.

Let's see. . .that fat *** retarded logger toe to toe with L.H., hmmmm. :lol:

http://www.eastcoastpaddlesurfing.com/p7hg_img_1/fullsize/Laird_Photos_1_058_fs.jpg
Not even a contest.

The one thing this guy has that the surfer doesn't is hard as nail toughness. Surfing takes physical agility and atheletism for certain. Am certain they could hold their own in a city tavern fight. The surfer could out run the logger.

But climbing through brush over the roughest terrain and through the crappiest weather this is one tough hombre. I don't care how many days a week that surfer goes to Gold's Gym. The logger is hardened like a knife blade.
:rofl:

Climbing through brush??? :lol: Crappy weather??? :lol:

Pleeeeeeaaaase. :crying:

Try over three decades of paddling around the world's oceans. Shoulders like the rocky mountains. For training you hold your breath, swim to the sea floor, pick up a boulder and run along the bottom of the ocean as far as you can hold your breath.

Try surfing waves three stories high moving thirty miles an hour and that crash down exploding on the reef with thousands of pounds per square inch.

Try wiping out on one of these rolling mountains coming out of the Gulf Of Alaska the product of massive winter storms. It feels like your arms and legs are literally going to be ripped off. Salt water is injected under your eye lids until they look like small water balloons. Up the nose. You are driven deep underwater and spun in the world's largest washing machine until you have no idea which way is up. Meanwhile you continue to hold your breath.

You might be in California in the winter and the water could be 55 degrees or less sucking the life and energy right out of you. The water heavy as compared to the tropics. You may get pressed into the reef like hamburger or slammed against a rocky coast line. And you finally scratch your way to the surface gasping for breath just in time to see the next wave in the set already broken and barreling down on you in the form of a twenty foot plus wall of white water. Peter Davi died this winter at Ghost Tree in California. This is serious ****.

A well known local surfer, he paddled out when everybody else from around the world was using teams of jet skis and towing in. Davies held to his belief that if you wipe out you should be able to swim your way out of the impact zone. He never made it and his body was found floating a little while later.

http://www.sheilaomalley.com/archives/laird_hamilton_teahupoo.jpg
I suspect for somebody that does not surf and who knows nothing of the sport the photo above means nothing and surely doesn't convey what it does to the trained eye.

All I can say is that logger in your photo sure as hell doesn't look "hard as nails" and certainly doesn't look the part better than a Hawaiian waterman like L.H.

All day long. And with bare feet.

[ScummyD]

Strength. Stamina. Agility. Dexterity.

All day long.

[prst31]

Let's see. . .that fat *** retarded logger toe to toe with L.H., hmmmm. :lol:

http://www.eastcoastpaddlesurfing.com/p7hg_img_1/fullsize/Laird_Photos_1_058_fs.jpg
Not even a contest.


:rofl:

Climbing through brush??? :lol: Crappy weather??? :lol:

Pleeeeeeaaaase. :crying:

Try over three decades of paddling around the world's oceans. Shoulders like the rocky mountains. For training you hold your breath, swim to the sea floor, pick up a boulder and run along the bottom of the ocean as far as you can hold your breath.

Try surfing waves three stories high moving thirty miles an hour and that crash down exploding on the reef with thousands of pounds per square inch.

Try wiping out on one of these rolling mountains coming out of the Gulf Of Alaska the product of massive winter storms. It feels like your arms and legs are literally going to be ripped off. Salt water is injected under your eye lids until they look like small water balloons. Up the nose. You are driven deep underwater and spun in the world's largest washing machine until you have no idea which way is up. Meanwhile you continue to hold your breath.

You might be in California in the winter and the water could be 55 degrees or less sucking the life and energy right out of you. The water heavy as compared to the tropics. You may get pressed into the reef like hamburger or slammed against a rocky coast line. And you finally scratch your way to the surface gasping for breath just in time to see the next wave in the set already broken and barreling down on you in the form of a twenty foot plus wall of white water. Peter Davi died this winter at Ghost Tree in California. This is serious ****.

A well known local surfer, he paddled out when everybody else from around the world was using teams of jet skis and towing in. Davies held to his belief that if you wipe out you should be able to swim your way out of the impact zone. He never made it and his body was found floating a little while later.

http://www.sheilaomalley.com/archives/laird_hamilton_teahupoo.jpg
I suspect for somebody that does not surf and who knows nothing of the sport the photo above means nothing and surely doesn't convey what it does to the trained eye.

All I can say is that logger in your photo sure as hell doesn't look "hard as nails" and certainly doesn't look the part better than a Hawaiian waterman like L.H.

All day long. And with bare feet.If that wave, from edge to edge in the picture frame is 60' long x 40' high x 20' deep, that = approx. 359,000 gallons of water (7.48 gallons per cubic foot), weighing approximately 2.99 million lbs (8.34 lbs per gallon). Not to mention the energy it's packing = very dead man if mistake.

[ScummyD]

If that wave, from edge to edge in the picture frame is 60' long x 40' high x 20' deep, that = approx. 359,000 gallons of water (7.48 gallons per cubic foot), weighing approximately 2.99 million lbs (8.34 lbs per gallon). Not to mention the energy it's packing = very dead man if mistake.

Wow, that is fascinating. Thanks for throwing together those numbers.

And just think, only several feet below the water's surface lies razor sharp coral reef. I often wonder how these guys paddle with balls that big.

I am not sure too many people understand just how much training and physical conditioning goes into being able to surf big waves. And Teahupoo is a whole other category.

All it takes is one small mistake, one small miscalculation, and you're pressed into the reef like hamburger meat. If that doesn't squeeze the life out of you then you end up drowning. I know about logging and have a first hand knowledge of that, too, and I realize people loose digits and even their lives, but from what I know of either of them logging is nothing compared to surfing in all the respects I have noted.

[Crosscheck]

Loggers This group kept its tragic status as one of the most dangerous occupations by recording 80 deaths, a fatality rate of 90.2 per 100,000. That's an improvement from a year earlier, when there were 85 logging fatalities.

Loggers deal with mammoth weights and irregularly shaped tree trunks that can be very difficult to control. In addition, they may be injured in remote areas far from medical help and succumb to injuries that might not otherwise have been fatal.



Ok, show me the number of surfers who are killed.



http://money.cnn.com/2006/08/16/pf/2005_most_dangerous_jobs/index.htm

[ScummyD]

I figured you'd cling to the fatality line.

[Crosscheck]

Still waiting.

[ScummyD]

You're the one lacking and needing to make up some ground here.

[Crosscheck]

You're the one lacking and needing to make up some ground here.


Empty handed again, huh? This ball is out of the park,,,,,,,

[Jarlaxle]

Of course, the logger can end the fight with one quick motion...the hard yank of the starter cord as he fires up his chainsaw. For some reason, most people won't argue with someone holding a running chainsaw.

PS--Don't care how tough the surfer is...he'll go down in a heap shrieking like a damned soul after a steel-toe boot in the crotch. Seen it. Fighting fair is for the stupid (which is why I have a pistol, but anyway...).

[ScummyD]

I'd like to see what the logger could do with his chainsaw running. And stumbling around with steel toe boots on.:lol: Not much.

As if the surfer would just be standing around waiting to get hacked apart. If the guy has chainsaw I have my semi-auto assault rifle and turn the guy into Swiss cheese.

Hell. I could take his *** out with one good beach stone right to the head while he is trying to wield his chainsaw on something other than a stationary tree trunk.

[SurferH2O]

All big wave surfers are in incredible shape. To be in adequate shape for just double overhead waves (12 ft.) you must really commit yourself. These animals are going for 30+ foot waves... it is insane.

Lumberjacks are tough, so I will not pass judgement.

[serenity]

Any logger who has spent a lifetime wielding saws (and they are notoriously unwieldy, I can tell you), scrabbling through dense, dirty brush, clinging to the tops of trees that are pushed in a fifty foot arc by powerful winds--yeah, I'd bet on us.

Rather than the pretty surfer boys. :)

A lifetime of this work makes you harder than pounding weights and riding waves.

Sorry, guys. I wanted to be friendly about it, but I happen to know--know, mind you--that it's no contest.

And for the sake of full disclosure, I personally have gotten soft. Plus I'm 41, and so i would likely lose that fight. I now have the privelege of ordering the young(er) bucks to do the dirty work, while I steer the skidder around.

But they're hard as a math test.

In fact, they couldn't fight the surfers properly, because they'd be laughing too much at the prospect.

[Jarlaxle]

And I'd bet not one of them would be dumb enough to fight fair.

[serenity]

Let's see. . .that fat *** retarded logger toe to toe with L.H., hmmmm.

My sweet little niece is mentally challenged.

And yet she's morally superior to anyone who uses the word "retarded" as an insult.

[Crosscheck]

Any logger who has spent a lifetime wielding saws (and they are notoriously unwieldy, I can tell you), scrabbling through dense, dirty brush, clinging to the tops of trees that are pushed in a fifty foot arc by powerful winds--yeah, I'd bet on us.


One can't use generalizations as we all know that. Not every surfer is a Mike Tyson nor is every logger. I have seen some loggers who have beaten up their bodies so badly they won't have the same flexibility as some young surfer.

That being said I must say for a fact the toughest , strongest person I ever met in my life was a logger.

When he was in high school he was a state wrestling champ. I must have knew him when he was in his 30's. His arms were shaped like large tubes coming out of his shoulders. There weren't definition to the biceps it seemed. I arm wrestled him once when I was a steel worker. It felt like my arm got hold of a thrashing machine. Have never had someone just explode with that kind of power and slam my hand down. If I couldn't beat a guy I would make it a long painful ordeal but this was over in seconds. I seen him do it to another younger buddy of mine who was bigger than me.

I also seen him fight a smart aleck once. He was just like a moving locomotive coming at this guy. Have been around boxing and fighting my whole life but this scared me as I didn't know if I could get him to stop once it was over.
A good friend he was. I still have a scar inside my nostril from him lifting it upward in a sparring match.

Yes, the surfer looks like he is in excellent shape but that doesn't gurantee one he can fight. Have you heard of a Mister Universe going on to win the heavyweight boxing championship?

[ScummyD]

Yes, the surfer looks like he is in excellent shape but that doesn't gurantee one he can fight. Have you heard of a Mister Universe going on to win the heavyweight boxing championship?
Of course. However, you are changing the point because you got mopped up with your first one. You tried to claim that what loggers have that surfers don't is "hard as nail toughness." And you posted a picture of a flabby faced slob as if it was supposed to support your opinion.

Now you are switching to martial prowess.

Most serious surfers are familiar with localism and having to fight their way into the line up if not scrapping on the beach. If you paddle out at a break and don't act correctly or do not show proper etiquette you will be confronted on it and you may well get your *** kicked.

On our boat trip over the Santa Cruz Island yesterday to do some spearfishing my friend Stan, who is life long surfer that used to spend a considerable amount of time in Hawaii surfing big waves, recounted a story that expresses the sort of thing I am talking about regarding localism. He was out surfing a break at the islands 25 miles offshore from my home town here. A guy sitting in the line up made a threatening comment along the lines of "this break isn't for sporties. This is for guys that work out here." What he meant was that the break was not for sport fishermen from the mainland but for commercial fishermen and divers. Stan paddled over to the guy, got right up in his face, told him to **** off, and that he was surfing this place when the other guy was still sucking his mom's dick and that he had a boat at 16 before he had a car and had never seen this guy in the ****ing water ever. He told him to get the **** out of the water and that he never wanted to see the mother****er there again or he would beat the **** out of him. With tail between his legs the guy paddled away and got aboard the boat he was on and drove off.

I am not familiar with loggers operating under any sort of similar hostile conditions or atmosphere that breed such fierce competitiveness and aggression. It's still a bit of the Wild West out on the seas and surfers reflect a bit of pirate character in certain circumstances.

Nature, through surf, water, wind, and sun breeds a degree of toughness unseen in the logging world. Not to mention pitching and rolling about on a boat at sea for 15 or more hours before, after, and during surf sessions. Sleeping on it, too, sometimes.

If spear fishing you are wearing a wetsuit for the majority of the time and constantly in and out of the water. You want to talk about toughness? Try shooting a six and a half foot 300 pound blue fin tuna in open water. A fish that can swim up to 40 to 60 miles per hour. You blast one and they bolt swimming as fast as they can in an instinctual battle for their life dragging you behind them. Sometimes you have to fight off sharks that smell the blood in the water and show up trying to get a free meal during your effort to kill the fish and drag it back to the boat.

Crawling through bushes, climbing trees, and holding a saw ain't ****. It's the Serengeti plain in the surfing world and it breeds a man tougher than a two dollar steak.

And, seeing as how I am the only one in this thread that appears to have personal experience in surfing and logging I win.

Game over.

[Crosscheck]

Of course. However, you are changing the point because you got mopped up with your first one. You tried to claim that what loggers have that surfers don't is "hard as nail toughness." And you posted a picture of a flabby faced slob as if it was supposed to support your opinion.

Now you are switching to martial prowess.

Most serious surfers are familiar with localism and having to fight their way into the line up if not scrapping on the beach. If you paddle out at a break and don't act correctly or do not show proper etiquette you will be confronted on it and you may well get your *** kicked.

On our boat trip over the Santa Cruz Island yesterday to do some spearfishing my friend Stan, who is life long surfer that used to spend a considerable amount of time in Hawaii surfing big waves, recounted a story that expresses the sort of thing I am talking about regarding localism. He was out surfing a break at the islands 25 miles offshore from my home town here. A guy sitting in the line up made a threatening comment along the lines of "this break isn't for sporties. This is for guys that work out here." What he meant was that the break was not for sport fishermen from the mainland but for commercial fishermen and divers. Stan paddled over to the guy, got right up in his face, told him to **** off, and that he was surfing this place when the other guy was still sucking his mom's dick and that he had a boat at 16 before he had a car and had never seen this guy in the ****ing water ever. He told him to get the **** out of the water and that he never wanted to see the mother****er there again or he would beat the **** out of him. With tail between his legs the guy paddled away and got aboard the boat he was on and drove off.

I am not familiar with loggers operating under any sort of similar hostile conditions or atmosphere that breed such fierce competitiveness and aggression. It's still a bit of the Wild West out on the seas and surfers reflect a bit of pirate character in certain circumstances.

Nature, through surf, water, wind, and sun breeds a degree of toughness unseen in the logging world. Not to mention pitching and rolling about on a boat at sea for 15 or more hours before, after, and during surf sessions. Sleeping on it, too, sometimes.

If spear fishing you are wearing a wetsuit for the majority of the time and constantly in and out of the water. You want to talk about toughness? Try shooting a six and a half foot 300 pound blue fin tuna in open water. A fish that can swim up to 40 to 60 miles per hour. You blast one and they bolt swimming as fast as they can in an instinctual battle for their life dragging you behind them. Sometimes you have to fight off sharks that smell the blood in the water and show up trying to get a free meal during your effort to kill the fish and drag it back to the boat.

Crawling through bushes, climbing trees, and holding a saw ain't ****. It's the Serengeti plain in the surfing world and it breeds a man tougher than a two dollar steak.

And, seeing as how I am the only one in this thread that appears to have personal experience in surfing and logging I win.

Game over.

Not really. By the degree of vulgarity used in this posting there must be some teen chat room minus one of its most active chatters. Postings as above should be deleted.

[ScummyD]

This is comical.

Here the guy writes of about somebody being "tough as nails." Then when trounced in the debate he proceeds to whine and snivel about the supposed "vulgarity" of a few curse words used in telling a true story related in an effort to give people a little deeper understanding about the subculture of surfers.

:crying: You can't compete and so complain that it should be deleted.

It is clear you have no clue what tough as nails means. If you think that little story is vulgar, :laughter:, you would soil your underwear in no time flat after seeing what goes on out in the water. :lol:

[serenity]

Nature, through surf, water, wind, and sun breeds a degree of toughness unseen in the logging world.

Sixty hours a week working in the woods, scummy.

In winter as well as summer.

Surfing is a joke in comparison. I feel like I'm listening to a little boy boast about beating up a grown man.

You have exactly zero idea what you're talking about.


Hence your delusion that accusing somebody of transgendered incest is "proof" of toughness.

[Crosscheck]

This is comical.

Here the guy writes of about somebody being "tough as nails." Then when trounced in the debate he proceeds to whine and snivel about the supposed "vulgarity" of a few curse words used in telling a true story related in an effort to give people a little deeper understanding about the subculture of surfers.

:crying: You can't compete and so complain that it should be deleted.

It is clear you have no clue what tough as nails means. If you think that little story is vulgar, :laughter:, you would soil your underwear in no time flat after seeing what goes on out in the water. :lol:

Simply read the forum rules:

" By agreeing to these rules, you warrant that you will not post any messages that are obscene, vulgar, sexually-explicit, hateful, threatening, violative of any laws (e.g. death threats, libel, warez, etc.) or otherwise violative the rules and policies of this forum,"

It isn't more clear than that. But don't let me impede your rant, am certain many are impressed with it here.

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[Jarlaxle]

Seems to me that most "serious" surfers (including Stan, who will hopefully end up as shark food sometime soon...too bad the other guy didn't have a 12-bore) are simply bullies, like the slimeball in high school who beat up the younger students. Like that guy, the best way to deal with them would seem to be repeated application of a large, heavy object (bat, hammer, pipe, brass knuckles) to the kidneys, kneecaps, cranium, and genital area.

[ScummyD]

Seems to me that most "serious" surfers (including Stan, who will hopefully end up as shark food sometime soon...too bad the other guy didn't have a 12-bore)
Funny you should say that. I was spearfishing with Stan again yesterday (I shot a 48 pound white seasbass.) and he made the comment cursing the fact that it was always this one particular friend of his that sees the sharks and not him. One time the guy saw a white shark and climbed up the cliff out at the islands to get out of the water. Meanwhile Stan was snorkeling around and had no idea.

are simply bullies,
:crying:

like the slimeball in high school who beat up the younger students. Like that guy, the best way to deal with them would seem to be repeated application of a large, heavy object (bat, hammer, pipe, brass knuckles) to the kidneys, kneecaps, cranium, and genital area.
You're not likely to have any of that out in the water on your surfboard.

Hope you can swim good.:)

[AgentM]

Funny you should say that. I was spearfishing with Stan again yesterday (I shot a 48 pound white seasbass.) and he made the comment cursing the fact that it was always this one particular friend of his that sees the sharks and not him. One time the guy saw a white shark and climbed up the cliff out at the islands to get out of the water. Meanwhile Stan was snorkeling around and had no idea.

Are sharks much of a problem for the surfers down in Cali?

[ScummyD]

No, not at all here. But we do see them once in awhile.

Although up in northern California very much so. It ain't called the Red Triangle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Triangle_(Pacific_Ocean)) for nothing.

[serenity]

The probability of a fatal shark attack is some measure less than, say, drowning. Or being killed in a car accident. Or (and I'm not joking) dying from a falling coconut.

Or--sticking with the ongoing topic--logging!

So it's not as if surfers are actually bravely facing down man-eaters. That's just a pretty little myth, its genesis in Stephen Spielberg.

[AgentM]

So it's not as if surfers are actually bravely facing down man-eaters. That's just a pretty little myth, its genesis in Stephen Spielberg.

I realized that, I just didn't know how much of a menace they were in reality.

[serenity]

I realized that, I just didn't know how much of a menace they were in reality.


I believe the answer is practically zero. Not quite zero, but close.

[ScummyD]

http://bp2.blogger.com/_UK95fsAAirE/SIi5a6pNgoI/AAAAAAAAAEA/9DfkZPMqr18/s400/anonymous.JPG
That's me in blue.

White seabass from Saturday's hunt. About two hundred pounds worth.

[towski]

I didn't know you were black.

[ScummyD]

I didn't know you were black.

Australian Aborigine to be precise. Hence the lighter toned hair.

[ScummyD]

http://www.sheilaomalley.com/archives/laird_hamilton_teahupoo.jpg
Teahupoo.

Video of that ride: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcaZarxilJQ&feature=related
The sheer tonnage of the wave is enough to crush the life out of a fella and bend limbs backwards, and give you a saltwater enema. Then comes the razor sharp coral reef several feet below the surface. Makes logging look like recess at the local elementary school.

[serenity]

On the contrary, 70 feet up in a wind-swayed tree in subzero New England winters makes surfing look like an effete little distraction, an amusement to enjoy as a respite from something actually dangerous.

[Crosscheck]

On the contrary, 70 feet up in a wind-swayed tree in subzero New England winters makes surfing look like an effete little distraction, an amusement to enjoy as a respite from something actually dangerous.


You are forgetting after getting out of the water they have to walk across blazing hot sand to get up to the Starbucks to get a double latte. Thank god they have those little tables with the umbrellas for them.

[serenity]

You are forgetting after getting out of the water they have to walk across blazing hot sand to get up to the Starbucks to get a double latte. Thank god they have those little tables with the umbrellas for them.


Ha! just so.

Of course it's a fairly stupid debate anyway. But if people are going to tell me that an amusement like surfing is so incredibly dangerous, compared to all those hard labor jobs that everybody (including the surfers) actually KNOW ar emore dangerous, then I'll condescend to play along.