Al Gore speaks again

[rjamortega]

This doesn't belong in the Science forum as it is just more rantings from a deranged mind (probably should be in the political forum). It is amazing though, the effort that is going into solving an issue which is probably never going to cause much discomfort for hundreds of thousands of years.

http://origin.mercurynews.com/elections/ci_9908392
Gore: Carbon-free electricity in 10 years doable
By DINA CAPPIELLO Associated Press Writer
Article Launched: 07/17/2008 06:57:14 AM PDT

WASHINGTON—Former Vice President Al Gore called Thursday for a "man on the moon" effort to switch all of the nation's electricity production to wind, solar and other carbon-free sources within 10 years, a goal that he said would solve global warming as well as economic and natural security crises caused by dependence on fossil fuels.
"The answer is to end our reliance on carbon-based fuels," Gore told a packed auditorium in Washington's historic Constitution Hall. "When you connect the dots, it turns out that the real solutions to the climate crisis are the very same measures needed to renew our economy and escape the trap of ever-rising energy prices."

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However, I am growing more interested in the developement of alternative energy sources (renewable included) in the interest of what guys like Frank Gaffney have to say. We do need to offer the world a better alternative to transferring wealth to Middle East despots.

Go Al Gore! You crazy fool.:rolleyes:

[Riddley]

Wow the deranged Al Gore is right. No one could have seen that coming:rolleyes:

[Bassman]

The problem that AlGore, Barry Obama and others on the Left seem to have is that they think that Government intervention, with all the ineffeciencies, is the end-all-be all to this situation. If left to the private sector, these initiatives and innovations will take fruit on their own because there is such a demand for it!

[AgentM]

If left to the private sector, these initiatives and innovations will take fruit on their own because there is such a demand for it!

They haven't yet...

[BrokenDoors]

The problem that AlGore, Barry Obama and others on the Left seem to have is that they think that Government intervention, with all the ineffeciencies, is the end-all-be all to this situation. If left to the private sector, these initiatives and innovations will take fruit on their own because there is such a demand for it!

It seems likely that government mandates and incentives would speed the transition along. The government is in a very good position to coordinate and facilitate this sort of strategic national policy.

[pedex]

The problem that AlGore, Barry Obama and others on the Left seem to have is that they think that Government intervention, with all the ineffeciencies, is the end-all-be all to this situation. If left to the private sector, these initiatives and innovations will take fruit on their own because there is such a demand for it!

ok the the first thing is to remove all the subsidies and govt interference in the market by the govt right now, and like it or not much of that is classic republican mantra and dogma

ya know these discussions work much better without the constant generalizations about "left" vs "right", especially when its both that are at fault

[rjamortega]

Wow the deranged Al Gore is right. No one could have seen that coming:rolleyes:

I would say, Gore is stumbling in the right direction.

Climate change is not going to be a paramount problem beyond what nature already has in store for mankind. The drive to revert climate or make it stable is futile and impossible.

[bowerbird]

The problem that AlGore, Barry Obama and others on the Left seem to have is that they think that Government intervention, with all the ineffeciencies, is the end-all-be all to this situation. If left to the private sector, these initiatives and innovations will take fruit on their own because there is such a demand for it!

Ye Gods but I wish that were true.

Here as you are aware, we had the ultimate bottom leech to George Bush - John Howard. Little Johnny was against global warming interventions despite the obviously changing climate hitting our country hard, hard, hard. But we all knew that one day we were going to have to start reigning in our pollution.

Result - with the latest timetable to cap and trade emissions the coal fired power industry is screaming like little girls about the money it is going to cost them.

Sorry but they have known this day was coming for the last 10 - 20 years and they had EVERY opportunity to put some money aside to invest in cleaning up the problem - why if they had started that 10 years ago they would BE in the position now of being able to do something.

Meanwhile there is so much research coming out of countries that have already enacted strict CO2 caps.

Like a messy bedroom - sometimes Mumma has to stand at the door until the mess is cleaned up.

[AgentM]

I love how His Holiness has taken on such airs. Seems like he thinks he speaks for the entire environmental movement. Something of an overnight expert. Not that what he says is wrong...

[MikeD4o7]

The problem that AlGore, Barry Obama and others on the Left seem to have is that they think that Government intervention, with all the ineffeciencies, is the end-all-be all to this situation. If left to the private sector, these initiatives and innovations will take fruit on their own because there is such a demand for it!

Our dependency on oil is very profitable. If the private sector alone controls energy, there's no way we won't continue to use oil as a primary source of energy until we absolutely have to switch. I think another strange thing about the whole private sector vs government debate is that it seems most people are quick to talk about how bad it is that government interferes with business... but in reality, business has far more control of government than government does of business.

[FilmFestGuy]

What saddens me is that there was one point in America when FDR could say, "We are going to win this war and we are going to win the peace that follows," and we would rallied around him. We were asked to sacrifice and sacrifice, we did. He told us it would be a long war and that there would be many casualties and we accepted the challenge.

When Americans were afraid of a Cold War enemy who had launched Sputnik, Kennedy said, "First, I believe that this nation should commit itself to achieving the goal, before this decade is out, of landing a man on the Moon and returning him safely to the Earth." And you know what we did? We did it.

There was a time when a leader could declare even the most outrageous goals. American ingenuity would shine forth and we would achieve them.

Today, our leaders simply say, "Drill for more oil!", "Go shopping!" "You're all a bunch of whiners!"

Sure, Gore's challenge is audacious. But there was once a time when Americans could look to audacious goals, challenge our brightest thinkers and engineers to devise ways to make them come to fruition, and the American people would do their part - either through sheer sacrifice of rations (or giving up their nylons); or through buckling down and investing in their government through tax raises.

Then, upon achievement of the said goal, we found ourselves in the midst of boom times. A few years of belt-tightening lead to greatness in this nation.

Now, sadly, I don't think we can do anything anymore because we're too complacent, lazy, and damn anyone for asking us to sacrifice a thing.

We get attacked, and we're asked to go shopping. We go to war, and we get deep, deficit-expanding tax cuts.

We cured polio and smallpox. Now, we can't provide healthcare to 1 out of 6 Americans.

And when someone offers us a challenge, all we can do is scoff at it.

As far as I'm concerned, nothing is possible in this nation anymore because no one will do anything.

And don't tell me the market will take care of it. The market has brought us the gas guzzlers that have ruined us; the oil prices that are killing us; the housing market bust that's ruining us.

And so far, our elected leaders can only come up with solutions that will only further cripple this nation. While we scoff at the one leader - who lost one of, it not the strangest election in American history - who actually challenges us to do something truly historical.

What have we become?

[rjamortega]

What saddens me is that there was one point in America when FDR could say, "We are going to win this war and we are going to win the peace that follows," and we would rallied around him. We were asked to sacrifice and sacrifice, we did. He told us it would be a long war and that there would be many casualties and we accepted the challenge.

When Americans were afraid of a Cold War enemy who had launched Sputnik, Kennedy said, "First, I believe that this nation should commit itself to achieving the goal, before this decade is out, of landing a man on the Moon and returning him safely to the Earth." And you know what we did? We did it.

There was a time when a leader could declare even the most outrageous goals. American ingenuity would shine forth and we would achieve them.

Today, our leaders simply say, "Drill for more oil!", "Go shopping!" "You're all a bunch of whiners!"

Sure, Gore's challenge is audacious. But there was once a time when Americans could look to audacious goals, challenge our brightest thinkers and engineers to devise ways to make them come to fruition, and the American people would do their part - either through sheer sacrifice of rations (or giving up their nylons); or through buckling down and investing in their government through tax raises.

Then, upon achievement of the said goal, we found ourselves in the midst of boom times. A few years of belt-tightening lead to greatness in this nation.

Now, sadly, I don't think we can do anything anymore because we're too complacent, lazy, and damn anyone for asking us to sacrifice a thing.

We get attacked, and we're asked to go shopping. We go to war, and we get deep, deficit-expanding tax cuts.

We cured polio and smallpox. Now, we can't provide healthcare to 1 out of 6 Americans.

And when someone offers us a challenge, all we can do is scoff at it.

As far as I'm concerned, nothing is possible in this nation anymore because no one will do anything.

And don't tell me the market will take care of it. The market has brought us the gas guzzlers that have ruined us; the oil prices that are killing us; the housing market bust that's ruining us.

And so far, our elected leaders can only come up with solutions that will only further cripple this nation. While we scoff at the one leader - who lost one of, it not the strangest election in American history - who actually challenges us to do something truly historical.

What have we become?

Well, apparently some of us have become "zealots" for science.

You probably can't see it through your eyes, but there is a huge difference between former national threats and climate change. Curing disease, and curing nature. The former problems are visual. We experience them. We can get our eyes and minds around them. But (as some folks like to call it) catastrophic climate change/"global warming"?! You honestly believe you can tackle and conquer that?!!?

A lot of common people on the street understand, even if subcontiously, that nature will one day bring about the end of man. But how is it that science experts can be so sure where the current trend in climate is leading us? And how are they so sure nature will respond positively to their solutions? This foe nature is far bigger than some military threat or disease.

If you want to gain the support of every citizen, then you have to come up with an argument that makes realistic sense. Changing nature is simply a wee bit too formidable. Come up with something that is attainable, like beating gas prices and foreign enemies by replacing their imported products with your own more efficient alternatives. Stop being a deranged, wild-eyed madman ala Al Gore. Make sense, not hysteria.