Chris Matthews: Stereotypical Liberal Simpleton

[rjamortega]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/22/chris-matthews-makes-emot_n_114313.html
Chris Matthews Makes Emotional Appeal For Voters To Be Racially Open

I hope for one thing when people go to vote: that they look at [Obama's] background, that they look at the age of the two candidates, that they look at their abilities and really open up their hearts and say "what's really good for my kids," who don't have any color awareness.

Kids don't think about race. Think like your kids for once. Think the way they think. It would be great if the older people in the country, the 70 year olds, the 80 year olds who are suspicious of change to say, "you know, why don't I think the way my kids are thinking and think about the future."

Whatever they decide, just open up your heart to this prospect of something different. That's what I hope we do.
My stars! He couldn't have shown a more complete stereotype of the naive liberal. First, Obama non-voters are only motivated by racism. But the second point is SSSOOoooo foolish...

Let's not use our intellect from the platform of maturity. Let us instead draw our logic from the immature, childlike mindset. (this latter point I borrowed from Dennis Prage)

How sweet and innocent some folks can be. :rolleyes:

[Mirror Lake 444]

Actually there are things we could learn from young children like unconditional love. Of course as they get older they are taught by adults this is naive. :rolleyes:

[eugene40]

Actually this isn't surprising, he has been in the bag for Obama for a long time. Remember when he said I believe it as on Leno. That Obama gave him shivers down his leg or something to that effect. However there are many in this country that aren't going to vote for him strictly because of his race. But as for him being naive, I wouldn't say that. I would say his is probably one of the more competent pundits out there right now. I like him better than I do Olberman.

[DiAnna]

Personally, I think all the media talking heads at MSNBC and CNN should just pop on their "Obama in '08" buttons and forget even trying to pretend they are unbiased.

A pox on them all. I'm not voting for either Obama or McCain. Either I don't trust 'em or they aren't qualified. Worst election choice I've faced in more decades of living than I want to confess. Also the most obvious and unabashed media bias that I've ever seen in my life. Really pretty disgusting.

[eugene40]

Personally, I think all the media talking heads at MSNBC and CNN should just pop on their "Obama in '08" buttons and forget even trying to pretend they are unbiased.

A pox on them all. I'm not voting for either Obama or McCain. Either I don't trust 'em or they aren't qualified. Worst election choice I've faced in more decades of living than I want to confess. Also the most obvious and unabashed media bias that I've ever seen in my life. Really pretty disgusting.

Really! I thought Bush v Kerry was the worst. Despite all that is wrong with Obama at least the man is likeable.

[DiAnna]

Really! I thought Bush v Kerry was the worst. Despite all that is wrong with Obama at least the man is likeable.

Yes, Obama is quite likeable. I, in fact, like him very much. However, I do not believe he is the least bit qualified, so for the first time in my life I will be voting for a write-in candidate.

[FilmFestGuy]

Personally, I think all the media talking heads at MSNBC and CNN should just pop on their "Obama in '08" buttons and forget even trying to pretend they are unbiased.

A pox on them all. I'm not voting for either Obama or McCain. Either I don't trust 'em or they aren't qualified. Worst election choice I've faced in more decades of living than I want to confess. Also the most obvious and unabashed media bias that I've ever seen in my life. Really pretty disgusting.

Really? I agree that the media seem enamored with Obama, but there is an historical nature to his candidacy.

However, I feel like the two party's candidates are profoundly better than either Bush or Kerry. Now, are they perfect? Obviously not, but I think it's the best choice probably since 1992 (I actually kinda liked Bush the elder, and having Perot around was at least interesting).

[FilmFestGuy]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/22/chris-matthews-makes-emot_n_114313.html

My stars! He couldn't have shown a more complete stereotype of the naive liberal. First, Obama non-voters are only motivated by racism. But the second point is SSSOOoooo foolish...

Let's not use our intellect from the platform of maturity. Let us instead draw our logic from the immature, childlike mindset. (this latter point I borrowed from Dennis Prage)

How sweet and innocent some folks can be. :rolleyes:

Actually, he was a Goldwater conservative and claims to have voted for Bush in 2000, and I don't think he said anywhere that people who don't support Obama are racist, but was saying that he hopes that it isn't racism that prevents people from voting for him.

And using something that Chris Matthews says as "evidence" that liberals are childlike is disingenuous. The whole argument is merely dismissive. I can say that I think conservatives are childlike because they say "Mine" about everything that anyone has. Isn't it adults that teach children to share, while kids want to have every toy to themselves? So, there. See, conservatives are childlike and liberals are adults. Of course, that's disingenuous, too. But it's as logical as anything Prager says.

But you already know that I find him objectionable anyway.

[eugene40]

Yes, Obama is quite likeable. I, in fact, like him very much. However, I do not believe he is the least bit qualified, so for the first time in my life I will be voting for a write-in candidate.

Sadly the only person even though I didn't like him much that I think was the least bit qualified for the job was Bush Sr. I probably will end up voting for Obama only because as we keep going in this campaign I like McCain less and less. With Obama as I have said before, his presidency is going to be largely based on the people he appoints into key positions. And I think he is going to do a better job at that than McCain.

[Dutch]

Actually there are things we could learn from young children like unconditional love. Of course as they get older they are taught by adults this is naive. :rolleyes:

Strangely that's what I learned from my adoptive father. He was the best man I've ever known.

[rjamortega]

Actually, he was a Goldwater conservative and claims to have voted for Bush in 2000, and I don't think he said anywhere that people who don't support Obama are racist, but was saying that he hopes that it isn't racism that prevents people from voting for him.

And using something that Chris Matthews says as "evidence" that liberals are childlike is disingenuous. The whole argument is merely dismissive. I can say that I think conservatives are childlike because they say "Mine" about everything that anyone has. Isn't it adults that teach children to share, while kids want to have every toy to themselves? So, there. See, conservatives are childlike and liberals are adults. Of course, that's disingenuous, too. But it's as logical as anything Prager says.

But you already know that I find him objectionable anyway.

I'm not saying Matthews is, or has always been, liberal. But notice, I purposely included the word "stereotypical".

I am talking about the mindset he uses in making this statement. It is very stereotypical liberal/progressive, from the racial aspect to thinking like a child. And your 'conservatives' analogy also falls on stereotypes.

[beg your pardon]

I never really noticed Chris Matthews as being liberal or conservative, I just notices him being sorta nuts.

[calean]

I never really noticed Chris Matthews as being liberal or conservative, I just notices him being sorta nuts.

I just noticed him as beeing annoying, disrespectful, and overall a hack.

[rjamortega]

I just noticed him as beeing annoying, disrespectful, and overall a hack.

And this latest statement only serves to make that all the more clear.

[Groucho]

I never really noticed Chris Matthews as being liberal or conservative, I just notices him being sorta nuts.


I can agree with that, and I'm not really certain I am excited about him possibly running for the Senate from my state...

It's clear he is an Obama supporter though, and his statement here should be taken in that light. And it's really not that bad -- he is not talking to everyone, just those who may be hesitant to vote for someone who is not white...

[DiAnna]

Sadly the only person even though I didn't like him much that I think was the least bit qualified for the job was Bush Sr. I probably will end up voting for Obama only because as we keep going in this campaign I like McCain less and less. With Obama as I have said before, his presidency is going to be largely based on the people he appoints into key positions. And I think he is going to do a better job at that than McCain.

I think McCain would be a good president. I've respected him for years... right up until he started being Bush's lapdog, and parroted Bush's failed Iraq policies. Now I can't in good conscience vote for him.

I can't in good conscience vote for Obama either, because even when I wasn't terribly enamored of a previous presidential candidate (Kerry comes to mind), I still believed them to be capable of the job. I do not believe Obama is, and I don't not want another unqualified person in the WhiteHouse, leaving the country run by political appointees ala Karl Rove and company.

I'll write in one of my first choices before the democratic nomination took on rock-star status... Bill Richardson or Joe Biden. At least I won't feel like washing my hands after I vote. :)

As for Chris Matthews, he was a democratic speech-writer and campaigner for years, worked in the Carter WhiteHouse and served on the staff of two democratic senators. He is, in fact, quite liberal, and such an unabashed Obama fan (he trashed Hillary for months during the primaries) that he should have just pinned Obama's campaign button on his lapel and given up all semblance of "objectivity".

[patrickt]

I'm keeping track. So far, two people have told me that the only reason someone wouldn't vote for Mr. Obama is race. Lack of experience, poor judgement, and being a socialist can't possibly be a reason for not voting for him.

FilmFestGuy: "I can say that I think conservatives are childlike because they say "Mine" about everything that anyone has."

I think you have it backwards. It's not the conservatives who take what you have to give to someone else--after keeping a sizable quantity for themselves. It's the liberals who look at any money you have left over after taxes and say, "Mine."

[eugene40]

I think you have it backwards. It's not the conservatives who take what you have to give to someone else--after keeping a sizable quantity for themselves. It's the liberals who look at any money you have left over after taxes and say, "Mine."

Wouldn't it be OURS though. Since they are the big social program party. But which is better, the dems taking it now, or the Reps charging it so it gets taken later. Either way it is money taken.