Anunnaki and the Tenth Planet on TLC

[Michele]

Well. I had mentioned in the "where is the garden of eden" thread, after hearing the legend of the Sumerians that their Teachers in the Sky (Anunnaki) spoke of a 10th planet in solar system back 6000 years ago (actually it is the 12th).

When I mentioned this in the other thread, since a 10th planet has now been discovered, planet x, which fits the Anunnaki's description, I couldn't help but be reminded of judeo christian prophesy and therefore wondered, perhaps if that meant the Anunnaki have returned in the same vein as is to return Jesus and come the Messiah. At the time I pondered that I chalked it up to just being conditioned to have thought that. Well. I found this (it is a little wiggy).

Interestingly, I have also often jested that the internet and the whole computer virtual communication age, is but preparing us for when we have to live underground. It is one of my cynical jokes. I started making the joke. hmmm... about a decade ago. I don't make it often, but it is something that comes to mind more often than I make the joke.

Well. That is one of the wiggy parts of this article:

Anunnaki and the Tenth Planet on TLC
Steven Harkless

Extraterrestrial giants that have inhabited earth in the past and are possibly coming back to earth was the topic of a recent program on The Learning Channel. This was not unsolved mysteries or a U.F.O. mystery program; it was a well made documentary on TLC.

The show started by introducing some of the amazing stone structures such as Tihaunaco, in Bolivia, near which 900-ton stone slabs sit on the shores of lake titi caca. Mysterious as the great pyramids is Baalbek [Heliopolis to the Greeks], which has in its walls, stone blocks that are estimated to be 1200 tons. These blocks were quarried and moved five miles as well as lifted 30 feet to fit perfectly into the walls of Baalbek. Even now there are no cranes that could lift such a stone. So who in ancient times could have built such structures? The legends about Baalbek say that giants built it. Legends about other sites such as Tihaunaco and Teotihuacan say that the gods built them. Who were these gods that came from the sky?

The program includes various scientists that believe that there is sufficient evidence to show that human like giants have inhabited the earth in times of great antiquity. In the Old Testament they were called the "Nefilim" which translates to "those who were cast down upon earth." To the Sumerians they were known as the Anunnaki who had come from a tenth planet in our solar system, Nibiru, [or Marduk of Babylonian legend.] They were the ones who bestowed upon the Sumerians the various aspects of civilization, knowledge of the solar system and the zodiac. Over six thousand years ago, Sumerians recorded knowledge of our solar system on a cylinder seal. The sun was at the center of the universe and there are 11 bodies that surround it: Pluto, which we have only recently discovered, and a tenth planet Nibiru -- the planet of the crossing. With the moon and the sun included, it is the twelfth planet. In many ancient religions in the near east and the east, there are 12 gods, 12 tribes, 12 titans of the Greeks, etc.

The program briefly mentioned that astronomers have confirmed that there is in fact another body out there; it has been called planet x and is said to have a long elliptical orbit which takes it far beyond the "known" solar system.

According to Sumerian knowledge, Nibiru has an orbit of 3600 years and when it nears earth it appears as a red body with seeming wings. As it nears earth it has been known to cause great cataclysms such as the great flood, which was recorded all over the world, not just in Genesis.

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[Michele]

The TLC program most interestingly included documentary footage of Voronezh, Russia, where, in 1989, a ship landed in the middle of the city in broad daylight. There were many eyewitnesses from school teachers to children, to scientists, and police. Nine foot tall E.T.'s were seen exiting the ship and seemed to be taking some sort of field samples. Strange lights had been seen in the sky for weeks. This incident became a sensation for the international media. Scientists and military came soon after to study the sight.

Also addressed in the program was the fact that even today there are people of gigantic stature. Could their genes be linked to a time when these beings had cohabited with the mothers of men. In Genesis we read, "The Nefilim were upon the earth, in those days and thereafter too, when the sons of the gods cohabited with the daughters of the Adam, and they bore children unto them. They were the mighty ones of eternity, the people of the shem." [Nefilim was traditionally translated to giants.]

Furthermore, detailed Sumerian texts and depictions written on clay tablets relate how the Anunnaki helped to create the first humans, the Adama. Using the egg of a primordial female, they placed it inside birth goddesses and performed artificial insemination with Anunnaki seed. Genesis relates that, "Elohim created Adam in his image." Genesis is a short simplified version to what has been found in Sumerian texts. For instance E.DIN was a dwelling place of the Anunnaki.

It is interesting that The Learning Channel is providing such information that is usually considered new age speculation; this is not the case considering the amount of archaeological discoveries that make a case for their existence. It is also interesting that the documentary raises the question, are they coming back? Is there a reason to start informing the public through such mainstream media?

According to Sumerian sources, when Nibiru is in our neighborhood there is significant traffic between the two planets. As related by the ancient texts of Sumer, Babylon, Israel, Greece, Egypt, and the Vedas, the Anunnaki/gods once played a vital role in various territories and kingdoms. Their legends bespeak of brilliant weapons that could smite whole cities, dramas, wars, and vehicles referred to as sky-chariots, Ishtar's boat of heaven, the celestial boat of RA, and bright whirlwinds that ascended to the heavens... to the abode of the gods- Nibiru.

Zecharia Sitchin who wrote "The Twelfth Planet" has predicted the arrival of Nibiru in our lifetime. Also interesting, Major Ed Dames, former remote viewer for U.S. Defense Intelligence, has disclosed on the Art Bell Show that when he asked his remote viewing group where they saw themselves in their future, everyone had seen themselves living underground except for one man of 80 years who has already passed away. The vision reminds me of Hopi legends which relate that at the end of the 3rd cycle of life, their people went underground until it was safe to go to the surface and emerge into the fourth world from the si pa pu. The Incas and Aztecs have similar legends. The U.S. government has many underground facilities and tunnels that may have purposes other than the advent of nuclear war.

According to many sources, due to Nibiru's size and gravitational affect, the Earth will be greatly affected as it gets closer and we will see it. I have become fascinated with the subject, after reading 'The Twelfth Planet', as it resonates on some level of truth for me; I do not believe that this is mere speculation. Recently I have seen very strange luminous vehicles flying about the sky near Sedona Arizona where locals insist that there is an underground military/ufo base. Such notions are indeed shocking. Yet it seems that the parameters of our rational are constantly being reset as we discover more in science and in spirit. My basic conclusion is that there is much more going on right now than most of us would imagine; and there is much in the past, enigmas that have been left behind, of which some elite groups do have knowledge. If no one else, the Anunnaki themselves....

[Michele]

This is for Captian America

Below one of three of the most prominent Sumero-Akkadian poems unearthed to date, in their entirety -- complete with lost & unintelligble passages and gaps:

Enki and the World Order

The beginning of the poem is unitelligible. When it becomes intelligible, Enki is decreeing the fate of "the land" (Sumer).

"O Sumer, great land, of the lands of the universe,
Filled with steadfast brightness, the people fromsunrise to sunset obedient to the divine decrees,
Thy decrees are excalted decrees, unreachable,
Thy heart is profound, unfathomable,
Thy . . . is like heaven, untouchable.

"The king, begotten, adorns himself with lasting jewel,
The lord, begotten, sets crown on head,
Thy lord is an honored lord; with An, the king, he sits in the shrine of heaven,
Thy king is the great mountain, the father Enlil,
Like . . . the father of all the lands.

"The Anunnaki, the great gods,
In thy midst have taken up their dwelling place,
In thy large groves they consume (their) food.

"O house of Sumer, may thy stables be manhy, may thy cows multiply,
May thy sheepfolds be many, may thy sheep be myriad,
May thy . . . stand,
May thy steadfast . . . lift hand to heaven,
May the Anunnaki decree the fates in thy midst."

To Ur he came,
Enki, king of the abyss, decrees the fate:
"O city, well-supplied, washed by much water, firm standing ox,
Shrine of abundance of the land, knees opened, green like the 'mountain,'
Hashur-forest, wide shade, . . . heroic,
Thy perfected decrees he has directed,
The great mountain, Enlil, in the universe has uttered thy exalted name;
O thou city whose fates have been decreed by Enki,
O thou shrine Ur, neck to heaven mayest thou rise."


There is more...

http://home.nycap.rr.com/foxmob/sumer_pantheon04.htm

Captain America of course I thought of you as you had mentioned the umm Ra and the shrine Urs?

[mahayana]

This is one of the subjects where you have to "suspend disbelief" to really get into it. The book "Chariots Of The Gods" was the first I read speaking of the perfectly-fitted stonework too massive for present technology to move. I believe some legends of war between the giants and the more familiar small, almond-eyed, space race were mentioned, also. What struck me most, though, was the speculation that Biblical things like bushes burning without being consumed, wheels within wheels, the 10 Commandments, angels, Jesus' birth from a virgin, the "bright star" hanging over Bethlehem, ascending into heaven (literally into space), etc were explainable as events of extraterrestrials interacting with humans. Them trying to help us, as it were.

Thanks for sharing this!

[Michele]

Hi mahayana,

This is an ancient legend that predates the old testament, however it seems their is an echo of some of this legend in Genesis. I must tell you that it was coming across this legend that really has moved me or should I say has reignited my wish for more active spiritual seeking.

I am definitely going to read that series... The Tweleth Planet... Actually one doesn't have to suspend one's belief with the Anunnaki anymore than one has to suspend one's belief to literally believe let us say the immaculate conception. If you know what I mean.

[mahayana]

"Actually one doesn't have to suspend one's belief with the Anunnaki anymore than one has to suspend one's belief to literally believe let us say the immaculate conception. If you know what I mean."

Ah, but if you substitute "artificial insemination" for "immaculate conception," then it becomes scientifically believable. My problem is that, even though I know people who have had flying saucers float, then zoom off, right over their houses, I personally have no evidence. (I'm thoroughly naturalistic, and skeptical). And, of course, the philosophical "origin of time and space and matter" questions are not answered, even if spacemen are really out there.

All the "what if" kind of questions are interesting. That other thread "What if Jesus Was A Heretic", the song "What If God Was One Of Us"- I like them. Intellectual freedom is great!

[Michele]

"Actually one doesn't have to suspend one's belief with the Anunnaki anymore than one has to suspend one's belief to literally believe let us say the immaculate conception. If you know what I mean."

Ah, but if you substitute "artificial insemination" for "immaculate conception," then it becomes scientifically believable. My problem is that, even though I know people who have had flying saucers float, then zoom off, right over their houses, I personally have no evidence. (I'm thoroughly naturalistic, and skeptical). And, of course, the philosophical "origin of time and space and matter" questions are not answered, even if spacemen are really out there.

All the "what if" kind of questions are interesting. That other thread "What if Jesus Was A Heretic", the song "What If God Was One Of Us"- I like them. Intellectual freedom is great!

Yes but the anunnaki date back 6000 years ago or more... actually... I am not sure at the time if they were aliens, I just find it interesting that 6000 years ago they spoke of this tenth planet, which I do believe because of the Mars' rover a tenth planet was just discovered...

That is the stuff I find interesting... the spoke of this planet 6000 years before our astronomers could actually see it... as per the texts that are available.

anyway... it takes the dogma out of one's persuit of God. That is why I like it... I certainly wouldn't argue anything definitive... and ... I guess that is my main point... there are mysteries all scripture brings forth... some could be taken literally, some figuratively... but definitively? I don't think so...

see I reject that any of the monotheistic religions wish to argue that their word is the only true word. I reject that... there are too many mysteries, legends, scrolls, scripts, that even predate the old testament... yet in their own way tells the genesis story...

Sumerians predate the old testament... yet even in just what I have placed they speak of genesis...

and their knowledge of the solar system back 6000 years ago, makes one wonder why old world europe every argued the world was flat.

[mahayana]

Michele, I'm glad you're looking at the "big picture" and feeling reborn in a way. I can sense your excitement, it's great!

I did hear a report about the newly discovered planet, on NPR. As I recall it is tiny, way beyond the orbit if Pluto, not the kind of place life could exist. Guess I'll stick with thinking earth-visitors must come from Mars or Venus, or outside our solar system, if they really have visited.

The Question Is Out There, hah!

[earth]

Even scarier concerning the 9th planet: HP Lovecraft believed back in the early 20th century that Pluto (The newly found 9th planet) was home to the "old ones". The elder gods. They would fly to earth using transdimensional wings in the clouds of ether and take Earth back.

I know it's extremely far fetched, and in all honesty can't be true, but HP Lovecrafts stories were based on a modicum of truth.

[Michele]

Michele, I'm glad you're looking at the "big picture" and feeling reborn in a way. I can sense your excitement, it's great!

I did hear a report about the newly discovered planet, on NPR. As I recall it is tiny, way beyond the orbit if Pluto, not the kind of place life could exist. Guess I'll stick with thinking earth-visitors must come from Mars or Venus, or outside our solar system, if they really have visited.

The Question Is Out There, hah!

yes the question is out there... I am convinced it isn't so much the answers when it comes to spiritual pursuit, but the seeking.

Here is more on the annunaki.... I want to learn all about them... from every point of view... archeological... anthropological... Exactly how old they are... the sumerians...

look at the cave paintings.... but I will admit it is very very wiggy as even the reptilians are mentioned in this blurb (and that theory I find to be way out there... you are familiar with Ickes and his reptilian theory... I get off the boat there... although my my so many believe he changed water into wine... wouldn't that make anything possible... even shape shifters where by Bush is OBL or however that theory goes... I really never read it. I just know of it... but now this blurb mentions the reptilians).

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Nibiru and the Anunnaki

by

D.M.

As world events continue to unfold, more and more will witness the ugliness of the predominance of bullying behaviour. The rulers of the stronger nations are forcing their will upon the weaker nations and will become more demanding and unreasonable. Nation states are using an enormously oppressive power much like that of masters over slaves.

History is repeating itself – again. There was once a super race of aliens known to the ancient people of the Earth as the Anunnaki. For many reasons, the Anunnaki have been reduced in power today. This race of beings thrives on conquest and enslavement of those who are under them.

This is my account of the story of Nibiru and the Anunnaki:

In recent years, there have been many speculative writings about Planet X, which is also known as Planet Nibiru. Most of these writings are based somewhat on Zecharia Sitchin’s book, The Twelfth Planet. Sitchin, like Velikovsky and Darwin, used his respective theories to support his claims. A question arises: Is Nibiru real? The answer to that is a resounding "Yes".

There are those who believe that the Anunnaki of Nibiru are coming back to Earth soon. They believe that Planet X is going to pass by Earth, in May or June of 2003, on its 3,600 year orbit around our sun. Such believers are terrified of the consequences that a close pass by Nibiru might bring. They fear this will cause earthquakes, tidal waves, severe flooding, food shortages due to climatic conditions, diseases, meteor fire storms, volcanic eruptions and the like. They are afraid that it will result in a great catastrophic infliction of loss of life on Earth.

Planet Nibiru (Ne.Bi.Ru) is known by many names, such as: Planet X, The Twelfth Planet, Marduk, Paradise, "Heaven" and the "Kingdom of the Heavens" and etc. in various cultures. Although Nibiru has been called The Twelfth Planet, technically it is not a planet of our solar system. In fact, it is a planet from another solar system and the star that was the sun of its solar system has been extinguished. Nibiru was never visible from the Earth but the star which was the centre of Nibiru’s solar system was visible in the skies from Earth. The orbiting pattern of Nibiru gave the Anunnaki the advantage of having a mobile observatory from which they could observe and investigate many other planets near its orbit.

The early people named Planet X as Nibiru in Sumerian, and Marduk in Babylonian. It has been said that the ancient Mesopotamians believed that Nibiru was the twelfth planet in our solar system and that it was "heaven" where their gods resided and came from.

Nibirians, the people of Nibiru, are often referred to as Anunnaki, Nephilim, Elohim (plural for god), and Mardukians. I shall refer to them as Anunnaki as this is what the general population was known as by the Sumerians and by those at the present time. The word "Anunnaki" literally means "those who came from heaven to earth". In the Old Testament these "heavenly" visitors are called "Anakim".

more...

http://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/dm_report.html


continued and to mahayana...

[Michele]

Lets get more serious and just look at the sumerians.... Mahayana... I must tell you this whatever I have been hearing from the judeo-christians deadens my senses.... (but of course my vote is not fully in).... All I mean to say was when first I heard of the Sumerians.... who I am told are suppose to be the Kurds... and this story of the anunnaki's along with my new ponderances of Jesus Christ outside of christianity (as I do not like the dogmas in the least)... when I first heard the story ... I had no Idea it overlapped with extraterestrial lore or whatever... it is ... and of course we do know there are UFO sitings as we do know the government is big into that , ie. roswell....

anyway something came alive inside as the story was being told to me even before I found the lead article of this thread... It ignited my imagination in a way that the whole judeo christian thing has never ... especially now with all the bigotry with regard to the holyland... that is so anti-christ to me.

anyway to bring it into a more human squarely pragmatic light.... just something on the sumerians....

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THE SUMERIANS
Writing and Religion
Power and Politics
Paradise and a Great Flood

Writing and Religion

By 7,000 BCE, in what is called the Fertile Crescent, in West Asia, where hunter-gatherers had roamed, planting had grown into the major source of food. There, true farming had begun, with the growing of wheat and barley, the domestication of animals and people permanently settled. By 4500 BCE a people archaeologists call Ubaidians were living in towns in southern Mesopotamia near where the Tigris and Euphrates rivers emptied into the Persian Gulf. The Ubaidians drained marshes. They grew wheat and barley and irrigated their crops by digging ditches to river waters. They kept farm animals. Some of them manufactured pottery. They did weaving, leather or metal work, and some of them were involved in trade with other societies.

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At least twelve cities arose among the Sumerians. Among them were Ur, Uruk, Kish and Lagash -- Ur, for example, becoming a city of about 24,000 people. In the center of each city was a temple that housed the city's gods, and around each city were fields of grain, orchards of date palms, and land for herding. Besides planting and harvesting crops, some Sumerians hunted, fished, or raised livestock. In addition to an increase in population, civilization was also about variety, and enough food was produced to support people who worked at other occupations -- such as the priesthood, pottery making, weaving, carpentry and smithing. There were also traders, and the Sumerians developed an extensive commerce by land and sea. They built seaworthy ships, and they imported from afar items made from the wood, stone, tin and copper not found nearby.
Writing

Sumerian writing is the oldest full-fledged writing that archaeologists have discovered. The Ubaidians may have introduced the Sumerians to the rudiments of writing and recorded numerical calculation, which the Sumerians used with the rise in trade and to calculate and to keep records of supplies and goods exchanged. The Sumerians wrote arithmetic based on units of ten -- the number of fingers on both hands. Concerned about their star-gods, they mapped the stars and divided a circle into units of sixty, from which our own system of numbers, and seconds and minutes, are derived.

more...


http://www.fsmitha.com/h1/ch01.htm

[mahayana]

Of course, another interesting observation is that Sumeria is roughly the same geographical place as Iraq (modern kingdom established in 1921) . We bombed the cr*p out of the cradle of civilization in 1991, and allowed its museums to be looted last year. You are correct, the oldest relics come from the northern region (ca.5000 BC) where the Kurds live, though the crown of the civilization (ca.3000 BC) was in the Tigris-Euphrades river valley, in the South.

(for comparison, Egypt's civilization is well-documented from ~3200 BC, the Chi'n Dynasty in China~2000BC).

[Michele]

Of course, another interesting observation is that Sumeria is roughly the same geographical place as Iraq (modern kingdom established in 1921) . We bombed the cr*p out of the cradle of civilization in 1991, and allowed its museums to be looted last year. You are correct, the oldest relics come from the northern region (ca.5000 BC) where the Kurds live, though the crown of the civilization (ca.3000 BC) was in the Tigris-Euphrades river valley, in the South.

(for comparison, Egypt's civilization is well-documented from ~3200 BC, the Chi'n Dynasty in China~2000BC).

yes that was very sad for someone like me and those like me even without all the details the looting of all that antiquity. A shame the pentagon had the oil ministery so protected and contrary to all the advisement from those concerned with the antiquities in that museum they did not buckle down that museum... That was a symbolic loss of deep meaning...violation of some higher order all guilty in that pillaging. I was very upset about that... since 9/11 I am regularly surprised just how grieved or angered I can become over things that I don't sense others even consider. I don't fully understand it myself, but for I have always believed we via legacy trace back to some ancient knowledge that we all know but have forgotten... we all know it though. I know I know it sounds like nonsense... but it isn't... even what I have read in the past two days about the gnostics... they talk bout the forgotten... It all makes sense to me... I understand it like it is food I haven't been fed for too long... walking in the desert barren.. piece by piece memory returns.

That's the thing about all of this, on an intiutive level... perhaps that is why so much of this sometimes insults me on a deeply personal level. Sometimes I feel as if I am being tortured. I know that sounds dramatic... but you know what I mean. I myself surprised at some of the things I will feel personally insulted by. I can not tell you how much red I see like a bull being goaded when I hear all the comments about cultural superiority, especially when I think of the amazing depth of these antiquities involved.

same with the utter pounding of the holy land by Israel professing to be so concerned with the cradle of only their own civilization... when it is so obvious it all overlaps each other... I realize all wounds run deep, but at one point there must be collective understanding of the matrix of connectivity here. The religious exclusivity is a sin to me. The monotheistic religions in reaction to each other (the reactions created at different times in history) attempt to cancel each other out now. That is reactionary. It has nothing to do with true wisdom. For me it is not aobut exclusivity. It is about connectivity. Something gets upset at some distance it reverberates through the space.

I don't know how it is I am even saying any of this... but I have deep convictions about all of this...without all the historic details.

[mahayana]

Michele- just a word from a simple carpenter. I've spent my life building things, repairing things. And I know that having babies, planting fruit trees, taking care of them, helping them grow- these are holy things. I've never understood destruction, killing people, bulldozing orchards...wrong things are hard to ever accept.

[green lantern]

Well. I had mentioned in the "where is the garden of eden" thread, after hearing the legend of the Sumerians that their Teachers in the Sky (Anunnaki) spoke of a 10th planet in solar system back 6000 years ago (actually it is the 12th).

When I mentioned this in the other thread, since a 10th planet has now been discovered, planet x, which fits the Anunnaki's description, I couldn't help but be reminded of judeo christian prophesy and therefore wondered, perhaps if that meant the Anunnaki have returned in the same vein as is to return Jesus and come the Messiah. At the time I pondered that I chalked it up to just being conditioned to have thought that. Well. I found this (it is a little wiggy).

Interestingly, I have also often jested that the internet and the whole computer virtual communication age, is but preparing us for when we have to live underground. It is one of my cynical jokes. I started making the joke. hmmm... about a decade ago. I don't make it often, but it is something that comes to mind more often than I make the joke.

Well. That is one of the wiggy parts of this article:

Anunnaki and the Tenth Planet on TLC
Steven Harkless

Extraterrestrial giants that have inhabited earth in the past and are possibly coming back to earth was the topic of a recent program on The Learning Channel. This was not unsolved mysteries or a U.F.O. mystery program; it was a well made documentary on TLC.

The show started by introducing some of the amazing stone structures such as Tihaunaco, in Bolivia, near which 900-ton stone slabs sit on the shores of lake titi caca. Mysterious as the great pyramids is Baalbek [Heliopolis to the Greeks], which has in its walls, stone blocks that are estimated to be 1200 tons. These blocks were quarried and moved five miles as well as lifted 30 feet to fit perfectly into the walls of Baalbek. Even now there are no cranes that could lift such a stone. So who in ancient times could have built such structures? The legends about Baalbek say that giants built it. Legends about other sites such as Tihaunaco and Teotihuacan say that the gods built them. Who were these gods that came from the sky?

The program includes various scientists that believe that there is sufficient evidence to show that human like giants have inhabited the earth in times of great antiquity. In the Old Testament they were called the "Nefilim" which translates to "those who were cast down upon earth." To the Sumerians they were known as the Anunnaki who had come from a tenth planet in our solar system, Nibiru, [or Marduk of Babylonian legend.] They were the ones who bestowed upon the Sumerians the various aspects of civilization, knowledge of the solar system and the zodiac. Over six thousand years ago, Sumerians recorded knowledge of our solar system on a cylinder seal. The sun was at the center of the universe and there are 11 bodies that surround it: Pluto, which we have only recently discovered, and a tenth planet Nibiru -- the planet of the crossing. With the moon and the sun included, it is the twelfth planet. In many ancient religions in the near east and the east, there are 12 gods, 12 tribes, 12 titans of the Greeks, etc.

The program briefly mentioned that astronomers have confirmed that there is in fact another body out there; it has been called planet x and is said to have a long elliptical orbit which takes it far beyond the "known" solar system.

According to Sumerian knowledge, Nibiru has an orbit of 3600 years and when it nears earth it appears as a red body with seeming wings. As it nears earth it has been known to cause great cataclysms such as the great flood, which was recorded all over the world, not just in Genesis.

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hey michele, you ever listen to art bell ? his program COAST TO COAST AM has had several programs on planet x and the annunaki. whether you believe any of this or not, it is still an interesting topic.

[Michele]

hey michele, you ever listen to art bell ? his program COAST TO COAST AM has had several programs on planet x and the annunaki. whether you believe any of this or not, it is still an interesting topic.

I have heard of him but no I never listened to him... did you mean the band AM or AM in the morning?

sister sledge is on the radio now.

[green lantern]

I have heard of him but no I never listened to him... did you mean the band AM or AM in the morning?

sister sledge is on the radio now. he comes on at 1 am in my neck of the woods and i listen to him on the am dial
:D alot ot the am stations play the last couple hours of the previous nights show as well. i listen to him on am 800 out of windsor. it is usually him or george noory who hosts the show.

[mahayana]

Actually, the new planet has a name, I'll try to find it. I remember it was named after a goddess of the bottom of the ocean, because of the extreme cold the scientists assume the planet to exist in. The show was on National Public Radio, their regular astronomy segment. It's on the web, too, I'm sure.

[Simon666]

To my knowledge, there is no Planet X.

[mahayana]

Simon, check it out please. It's a small ball of ice and dust, detected by a group of scientists who have been looking for other planets with space telescopes. I heard about it in the last two weeks. It is far beyond Pluto and follows an elliptical path, not in the plane of the other planets. The designation "planet" may not be internationally accepted yet. It's just an object in sun orbit, in my view, but they did name it. And they expect to find other such "planets", according to what I heard.

[Simon666]

The whole thing is probably an error in the data or calculations over 100 years ago that lead researchers at the time to think there was a nineth planet to correct the presumed disturbance in the orbit of other planets. All they found was Pluto, a very small planet with insufficient gravity to have any such influence. Since then, there have been searches for a tenth planet but none was ever found. This led researchers to investigate the data again and calculate the position of planets and they were found to be where they were supposed to be without the need for an extra planet. So the whole thing is probably a data or calculation error. The thing you're speaking about is a huge ice planetoid, and is not even the only one (http://edition.cnn.com/2004/TECH/space/02/20/ice.world.ap/). If that is a planet, than Quaoar which is only ten percent smaller, also is a planet totalling 11, or 12 assuming Pluto-Charon is not a planet-moon system but a double planet system as some have already suggested.

Searching for a Tenth Planet (http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/astronomy/outer_planets_991014.html)

Since Clyde Tombaugh discovered Pluto in 1930, astronomers have searched in vain for a tenth planet. The main justification for the search was made when discrepancies in the predicted positions of the outer planets Uranus and Neptune kept cropping up with alarming regularity.

Uranus has completed over two and a half orbits since its discovery in 1741, and Neptune, discovered in 1846, has completed almost one full circuit. Both planets should have accurately determined orbits by now. And yet, variations in their predicted positions, called residuals, persist.

Critics, most prominent among them, British astronomer Dr. Brian Marsden with the International Astronomical Union, say that inadvertent data error is the real culprit behind the residuals, not a missing planet. In fact, says Dr. Marsden, Planet X is not a scientific problem as much as it is a psychological problem.

Nevertheless, some astronomers believe there may as yet be something we don't know about our own solar system -- an undiscovered planet, or feeble star, a million times further away than Pluto. The justification for their belief stems from an apparent orderly arrangement of certain comets in the sky.

(...more in the interesting article)

Considering the Sumerians finding ten planets (http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/misc/planetx/nutshell.html#sumerians)

Zechariah Sitchin bases his entire theory of the existence of a tenth planet on ancient texts, including Sumerian and biblical writings. However, he is known to misinterpret Sumerian, sometimes grossly. His key finding is based on a seal that shows a diagram that looks like the solar system, with the Sun at the center. It appears to have eleven planets around it. Since Sumerians counted the Sun and Moon as planets, Sitchin says the extra one must be some unknown planet. He also says it has aliens on it who communicated with the ancient Sumerians.

But there are two major problems with this. Well, three, if you count having alien visitations as a problem (and I certainly do). But ignoring that, there are still two biggies. Sitchin claims that the picture shows Uranus, Neptune and Pluto. But the Sumerians didn't have telescopes, and therefore could only have known of them if aliens told them about their existence. But if aliens told them about those planets, why not about the moons of Jupiter and Saturn, or Saturn's rings? The seal doesn't show any of these features. And the Sumerians thought the Moon and Sun were planets, when they aren't. Certainly aliens would know that the Sun and Moon are not planets! Sitchin is picking and choosing things in the picture to support his arguments, and ignoring things that don't support it. That isn't science, it's fantasy. It's also wrong.

Worse, his interpretation of the picture is wrong. The Sumerians have an unambiguous symbol for the Sun: a circle with four triangles around it like rays, and squiggly lines between the triangles. That is emphatically not the symbol in the seal. The symbol used is that of a bright star, but not the Sun. So even Sitchin's basic premise is wrong. Michael Heiser, a Sumerian scholar, outlines all this on his website.

Conclusion: Sitchin's ideas are wrong, and so there is no reason to even introduce the idea of a tenth planet that passes by the Earth

[Michele]

To my knowledge, there is no Planet X.


Actually Simon mars rover just detected a tenth planet with an orbit as described in the article on the anunnaki... that was one of the reasons the article attracted my imagination... mahayana is right it does have a name it is not named planet x it has another name the new planet, but it was said to have a different orbit. The anunnaki spoke of this 10th planet 60000 years ago while it was just detected very recently.



Nasa discovers new planet Sedna
A new planet has been discovered in our solar system. The planet has been name Sedna after the Inuit goddess of the ocean. The planet is 6.2 billion miles from Earth making it the most distant object ever detected orbiting the Sun.

The discovery was made by Dr Michael Brown of the California Institute of Technology. It is the first planet within our solar system to be discovered for over 70 years. The planet is estimated to be 1250 miles across, but NASA researchers say the planet may even have greater dimensions than planet Pluto (1406 miles across).

Sedna is located in the Kuiper Belt, an area of space that contains many bodies, the majority being comprised of rock and ice.
Posted March 15, 2004 at 06:41:51 AM

http://www.google.com/search?q=nasa+discovers+new+planet&sourceid=mozilla-search&start=0&start=0

Nasa discovers new planet beyond Pluto ...

The importance of Sedna is that it is the first such world discovered in its normal orbit. Other similar but smaller worlds, like Quaoar and Varuna, originated in the Kuiper Belt but have since been perturbed into different orbits. The discovery will reignite the debate about what is a planet.

One group of astronomers believe that Pluto is not a true planet but merely one of the largest of a vast number of minor objects in the outer solar system. But some astronomers are already saying it re-defines the solar system.

Following Sedna’s discovery, astronomers at the Tenagra Observatory in Arizona were asked to provide positional information so that an orbit could be determined for Sedna.

Most of the planets in the solar system have been known since ancient times.

http://www.tiderinsider.com/forum/messages/555748.html



I think when the book was written on the tenth planet the author just called it planet x because it had not been official sited.

[Michele]

It is not a nineth planet it is a tenth planet with the sun and moon makes 12 celestial bodies. That is what is so mystical about the anunnaki. They spoke of this 10th planet 6000 years ago... and we have just sited it. They even stated its odd orbit...

I have to find more on Sedna, which is what Nasa just named it. It was found several weeks ago. as per the anunnaki, they stated its orbit was elipsic.. oblong taking 3600 light years to run its orbit.

Not in these articles, but when the discovery was first reported on the news, I remember it being stated something similar about its known orbit at that time it was reported on the news.

[Simon666]

Actually Simon mars rover just detected a tenth planet with an orbit as described in the article on the anunnaki... that was one of the reasons the article attracted my imagination... mahayana is right it does have a name it is not named planet x it has another name the new planet, but it was said to have a different orbit. The anunnaki spoke of this 10th planet 60000 years ago while it was just detected very recently.
The orbit is not "as described by the annunaki", the object is not even big enough to be called a planet and your "tenth planet" was not "discovered by the mars rover".

Btw, from the article you posted was the following part:

Pluto was discovered in 1930 by a fortunate accident. Calculations which later turned out to be in error had predicted a planet beyond Neptune, based on the motions of Uranus and Neptune. Not knowing of the error, American scientist Clyde W. Tombaugh did a careful sky survey from the Lowell Observatory in Arizona which turned up Pluto anyway.

The whole belief of fringe lunatics and ufo believers in a tenth planet is based on faulty calculations.

[Michele]

The orbit is not "as described by the annunaki", the object is not even big enough to be called a planet and your "tenth planet" was not "discovered by the mars rover".

Btw, from the article you posted was the following part:

Pluto was discovered in 1930 by a fortunate accident. Calculations which later turned out to be in error had predicted a planet beyond Neptune, based on the motions of Uranus and Neptune. Not knowing of the error, American scientist Clyde W. Tombaugh did a careful sky survey from the Lowell Observatory in Arizona which turned up Pluto anyway.

The whole belief of fringe lunatics and ufo believers in a tenth planet is based on faulty calculations.

well okay I am not arguing with you.... and I meant 6000 years ago not 60000 (the extra zero was a typo).. but has nasa changed its reasoning since its last report.

I wasn't aware that the legend of the anunnaki had anything to do with ufo lunatics.

[Michele]

here is from Nasa's site:

Planet-Like Body Discovered at Fringes of Our Solar System
03.15.04
What's bigger than an asteroid, smaller than a planet, red all over and far, far away? The answer -- a mysterious planet-like body orbiting our Sun -- has been discovered by NASA-funded researchers led by an astronomer at the California Institute of Technology, Pasadena, Calif.

The object is three times farther away from Earth than Pluto, making it the most distant known in the solar system.

"The Sun appears so small from that distance that you could completely block it out with the head of a pin," said Dr. Mike Brown, Caltech associate professor of planetary astronomy and leader of the research team. The object, unofficially named "Sedna," is 13 billion kilometers (8 billion miles) away from Earth.

This is likely the first detection of the long-hypothesized "Oort cloud," a faraway repository of small icy bodies that supplies the comets that streak by Earth.

snip

Scientists used the fact that even the Spitzer telescope was unable to detect the heat of the extremely distant, cold object to determine that it must be no more than 1,700 kilometers (about 1,000 miles) in diameter, smaller than Pluto. By combining all available data, Brown estimates the size at about halfway between that of Pluto and Quaoar, the planetoid discovered by the same team in 2002. Until "Sedna" was detected, Quaoar was the largest known body beyond Pluto.


HERE THEY MENTION THE EXTREMELY ELIPTICAL ORBIT

The extremely elliptical orbit of Sedna is unlike anything previously seen by astronomers; however, it resembles that of objects predicted to lie in the hypothetical Oort cloud. The cloud is thought to explain the existence of certain comets. It is believed to surround the Sun and extend outward halfway to the star closest to the Sun. But Sedna is 10 times closer than the predicted distance of the Oort cloud. Brown says this "inner Oort cloud" may have been formed by gravity from a rogue star near the Sun in the solar system's early days.

http://www.nasa.gov/vision/universe/solarsystem/planet_like_body.html

AND THAT WAS WHAT THE LEGEND HAD SAID.

This was a discovering in the middle of March. Why are you saying it is not a planet? I don't understand.

[Simon666]

I wasn't aware that the legend of the anunnaki had anything to do with ufo lunatics.
I posted that several posts up discrediting that whole story and you made a post about ufo lunatics as well. This is yours:

Extraterrestrial giants that have inhabited earth in the past and are possibly coming back to earth was the topic of a recent program on The Learning Channel. This was not unsolved mysteries or a U.F.O. mystery program; it was a well made documentary on TLC.

[Michele]

Rabinowitz says there is indirect evidence that "Sedna" may have a moon. The researchers hope to check this possibility with NASA's Hubble Space Telescope.

I am not sure why you say it is not a tenth planet?

[Michele]

I posted that several posts up discrediting that whole story and you made a post about ufo lunatics as well. This is yours:

Extraterrestrial giants that have inhabited earth in the past and are possibly coming back to earth was the topic of a recent program on The Learning Channel. This was not unsolved mysteries or a U.F.O. mystery program; it was a well made documentary on TLC.


yes but I am not talking about that part. I am just talking about this new discovering about the tenth planet now named sedna.

[Simon666]

I am not sure why you say it is not a tenth planet?
Because there are several other planetoids in the same size category and probably still several undiscovered ones as big or possibly bigger than Sedna.

[Michele]

I don't look it as ufo lunatics... as I don't follow all that... I came upon the anunnaki legend via the sumerian... I must admit I have to read the stuff you placed. I haven't really yet. I am just now talking about this discovery of the tenth planet that is all. And the documentary the author was talking about was on the learning channel not some UFO lunatic station.

I am not going to have an argument about UFOs... I agree some of the story is wiggy... but

that is not the whole of the part of the legend that intriques me. I am intriqued for other reasons.

[Michele]

Because there are several other planetoids in the same size category and probably still several undiscovered ones as big or possibly bigger than Sedna.

yes I noticed the mention of the body Quaoar was the largest known body beyond Pluto. and yes I notice Nasa is not calling it a tenth planet...

However, I am not sure is quaoar considered a planet or no. and just because this is a new discovery of another body... does that mean it is not to be called a planet...

Anyway... the materials you placed what year were they written? I don't have to believe in what the planet x people say... I am more interested in real data on the sumerians moreso.... as one of your articles state:

Ancient texts do not discuss the existence of a tenth planet.


My imagination just got pulled in because I was under the impression that Sedna was named a tenth planet...but it is not a tenth planet?

the planet x stuff came after I had first heard the legend without the UFO stuff.

I will read the stuff you placed as i will read as much now as I can about the sumerians themselves, what is known about the texts vs not. That is what I am most interested in. The Legend is intriquing enough without the planetary stuff anyway.

[Simon666]

Sedna nor Quaoar is as of now considered a planet. I've read about discussions in the astronomic community to consider Pluto and Charon a double planet system instead of a planet moon system since they do not differ that much in size. There is also discussion on changing the status of Pluto, taking it's title of planet away and consider it an ice dwarf, the biggest one found and the closest one to the sun.

[Michele]

It is all very interesting. All In know is that at first it was reported as a planet... I can see now however that there is much discussion in regard to what makes a planet a planet.

The articles I pull up are all from 15th of March...the waver...

It's another world . . . but is it our 10th planet?
By Louise Milligan and agencies
March 15, 2004

SCIENTISTS have found a new world orbiting the solar system – more than 3 billion kilometres further away from the Sun than Pluto and 40 years away from Earth in a space shuttle.

NASA is expected to announce today the discovery of the space object, which some experts believe could be a new planet.

It is provisionally known as Sedna, after the Inuit goddess of the sea.

The discovery of Sedna – 10 billion kilometres from Earth – is a testament to the new generation of high-powered telescopes.

Measurements suggest Sedna's diameter is almost 2000km – the biggest find in the solar system since Pluto was discovered 74 years ago. It is believed to be made of ice and rock, and is slightly smaller than Pluto.

The find will reignite the debate over what constitutes a planet. Some scientists claim even Pluto is too small to count as one.

According to astronomer Michael Brown of the California Institute of Technology, who discovered Sedna, there could be many other new worlds orbiting the Sun and waiting to be discovered.

"Sedna is very big, and much further out than previous discoveries," he said. "I'm pretty sure there are other large bodies up there too."

But physicist and cosmologist Paul Davies, of Sydney's Macquarie University, said it was folly to describe Sedna as a planet. "It's fun, it's exciting, but let's keep it in proportion," Professor Davies said yesterday.

He said scientists had known for "a decade or so the solar system does not come to an abrupt halt" and there were a number of "planetessimals" or little planets, like Sedna.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,8968352%255E29098,00.html

OTHER ARTICLES FROM THE 15TH STATE NEW PLANET NOT NECESSARILY TENTH PLANET

Astronomers discover 'new planet'

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3511678.stm

'New planet' forces rethink
By Helen Briggs
BBC News Online
MARCH 17TH.

Pluto-Kuiper Express, Nasa
A probe will be sent to investigate Pluto - a planet or not
Astronomers are to rethink the system for classifying planets following the discovery of what some claim is the 10th in the Solar System.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3516952.stm

So you are saying that now they are not calling sedna a planet.... hmmm. I do notice that in the nasa site they called it planet-like

All I know is this is another fascinating subject... Simon I will let you know once I have read through the articles you placed... if I have anymore questions for you... very interesting stuff...

but it doesn't make the sumerians or the anunnaki any less intriguing, one way or another.

[Michele]

Sedna nor Quaoar is as of now considered a planet. I've read about discussions in the astronomic community to consider Pluto and Charon a double planet system instead of a planet moon system since they do not differ that much in size. There is also discussion on changing the status of Pluto, taking it's title of planet away and consider it an ice dwarf, the biggest one found and the closest one to the sun.

Yet, also Simon, considering as you say that planet status might be taken away from Pluto, indicates that at this early stage one may not take much of what the astronomic community says is all that definitive...

I mean it is said Pluto was discovered in 1930. It is taught as a planet and now 70 years later they are revisiting this to the degree that they may take its planet status away. Once they find out more about Sedna... then one might consider that in another 10 years they might consider giving Sedna it's planet status back... it could work both ways... Right?

or No?

[Simon666]

The find will reignite the debate over what constitutes a planet. Some scientists claim even Pluto is too small to count as one.

According to astronomer Michael Brown of the California Institute of Technology, who discovered Sedna, there could be many other new worlds orbiting the Sun and waiting to be discovered.

"Sedna is very big, and much further out than previous discoveries," he said. "I'm pretty sure there are other large bodies up there too."
It isn't called a planet yet, although it is in the category between a planet and the largest asteroid of near planet size, or planetoid, Ceres. Ceres is almost 1000 km in diameter and located between Mars and Jupiter. It is pretty clear that there are possibly a number of other ice dwarves who aren't found yet, but have diameters in the same category of Sedna and perhaps even Pluto or Charon. In my opinion it would be silly to declare there are say, 15-25 planets with silly names, when a number of them are quite small and outside category. The first couple of planets in our solar system, Mercurius, Venus, Earth and Mars are solid and rocky, between Mars and Jupiter there is an asteroid belt that failed to form a planet, and then you have Jupiter, Saturnus, Uranus and Neptunus which are gas giants. I would be in favor of calling all planets beyond Neptunus, which are in the category of solid huge ice balls, ice dwarves instead of planets.

[Michele]

yes I understand the logic of what you are saying and what is guiding the quandary. However you didn't answer my question. Here it is again:


Yet, also Simon, considering as you say that planet status might be taken away from Pluto, indicates that at this early stage one may not take much of what the astronomic community says is all that definitive...

I mean it is said Pluto was discovered in 1930. It is taught as a planet and now 70 years later they are revisiting this to the degree that they may take its planet status away. Once they find out more about Sedna... then one might consider that in another 10 years they might consider giving Sedna it's planet status back... it could work both ways... Right?

or No?

Also Sedna is on a very long elipptical orbit... which has some ramifications regarding our weather patterns... as implied in the nasa site... which states... so while it is farthest from the sun of course it is very cold but as it's orbit comes closer to the sun... I get the impression that it will warm and not necessarily melt...

Nasa site states...

"Sedna" will become closer and brighter over the next 72 years before it begins its 10,500-year trip to the far reaches of the solar system and back again. "The last time "Sedna" was this close to the Sun, Earth was just coming out of the last ice age; the next time it comes back, the world might again be a completely different place," said Brown.

This indicates .... well... that it appears astronomers were aware of this body? or that they have calculated its orbit based on the length and speed of it?

Anyway my question is the same... it seems right at this moment as you have said... they are not sure whether it is a planet or not... and at some time int he future they could name it a planet... as my mind, which knows little about the criteria, is thinking as it comes closer to the sun it will warm up and apparently since it has come closer to the sun before as indicated at that time it did not melt away. I guess I also need to know based on what they know of its orbit just how close to the sun it can get. Have they answered that question yet?

And then at one point if it were to regain planet status would at that time it be considered our 10th planet as pluto was considered our 9th or I guess than if pluto losses its planet status ----- it would than be considered our 9th planet.... hmmm one way or another....

I am not sure it has much relevance in the way of discrediting the anunnaki legend... you know at one time after supposedly the anunnaki's taught about our solar system old world European seemed to devolve with their insistance that the world was flat which would not be consistent with what the anunnaki's had supposedly said.

But then again even the sumerian texts are in question, so I guess it is also a matter of understand what the real legend is. Hah it is all a leap of faith running neck in neck with the changing definitions of our scientists. The games of mortal interpretations.

[Simon666]

I mean it is said Pluto was discovered in 1930. It is taught as a planet and now 70 years later they are revisiting this to the degree that they may take its planet status away. Once they find out more about Sedna... then one might consider that in another 10 years they might consider giving Sedna it's planet status back... it could work both ways... Right?
Wrong. Sedna hasn't received planet status yet in the first place, so it can't get it back. I even doubt it ever will get the status of a planet.
Also Sedna is on a very long elipptical orbit... which has some ramifications regarding our weather patterns... as implied in the nasa site... which states... so while it is farthest from the sun of course it is very cold but as it's orbit comes closer to the sun... I get the impression that it will warm and not necessarily melt...
The orbit of nearby planets like Mars or even Jupiter has no influence on our weather pattern, let alone objects as small and far away as Sedna. Where did you get that one from?
"Sedna" will become closer and brighter over the next 72 years before it begins its 10,500-year trip to the far reaches of the solar system and back again. "The last time "Sedna" was this close to the Sun, Earth was just coming out of the last ice age; the next time it comes back, the world might again be a completely different place," said Brown.
Perhaps some of its surface will melt or evaporate, making it look brighter. That the last time Sedna came that close to the sun, there was an ice age on earth is not a causal relationship. There cannot be such a relationship.

[Michele]

The orbit of nearby planets like Mars or even Jupiter has no influence on our weather pattern, let alone objects as small and far away as Sedna. Where did you get that one from?

Perhaps some of its surface will melt or evaporate, making it look brighter. That the last time Sedna came that close to the sun, there was an ice age on earth is not a causal relationship. There cannot be such a relationship.

what do you mean not a causal relationship.... I mean it seems irrelevant that mars or jupiter orbits do not effect our weather patterns... it seemed to be suggested that the orbit of sedna did... at least that is what I thought that blurb from nasa implied. Are you saying that bodily orbits have no causal correlation with weather patterns at all? And perhaps I am misinterpreting the reference regarding the ice age might have been to demarcate time rather than a causal factor as you say.

as to whether it was named a planet or not... you missed the point entirely... the point is the scientific community makes many discoveries that have them making definitive statements.... so the point is that although sedna never had planetary status, It was reported as planet like, and while in your opinion you don't think it will get planetary status.... doesn't mean it won't...

but no matter, because I am just utilizing logic... you appear to know more about planetary science than I... and I appreciate the rudimentary heads up on what sort of criteria dictates one definition over the other....

it just seems at this point it is to early to say what number planet it might be or not as it appears the criteria is in flux... as you say now pluto may be demoted as an ice something... I have to look into this when time permits... are you suggesting that it is thought at this time that sedna falls into the same definition as pluto... it being an ice dwarf never to be a planet?

it just seems to me that this is not yet conclusive or definitive is all.

[mahayana]

"Are you saying that bodily orbits have no causal correlation with weather patterns at all? "

Michele, the only two celestial bodies that affect Earth directly are the Moon and the Sun. The other stuff, planets aligning, influences of Mars and Venus, etc is astrology. Weather is little understood, the changing currents in the various layers of the atmosphere, changes in ocean temperature, what causes ice ages; even scientific predictions are notoriously unreliable, where weather is concerned.

[Simon666]

what do you mean not a causal relationship
That it is not a cause-effect relationship. If I tell you the last time I saw some person, a terrible accident happened, does not mean automatically that person caused the accident. Similarly, it was in no way suggested that Sedna was responsible for the ice age since the last time it came close was during the ice age.
Are you saying that bodily orbits have no causal correlation with weather patterns at all? And perhaps I am misinterpreting the reference regarding the ice age might have been to demarcate time rather than a causal factor as you say.
No, only the orbit of the earth around the sun has a small influence on the weather as the orbit is more or less constant apart from a few percent. Satellite measurements of the lower troposphere have revealed that the Earth's average global temperature is approximately 0.01 degrees F (about 0.02 degrees C) warmer when the moon is full than when it's new (between the Sun and the Earth). The moon hence has very little influence of the climate and the distance between earth and moon hence even less.

More info. (http://www.gsfc.nasa.gov/gsfc/educ/science/1998/04-06-98.htm)

[mahayana]

"No, only the orbit of the earth around the sun has a small influence on the weather as the orbit is more or less constant apart from a few percent. Satellite measurements of the lower troposphere have revealed that the Earth's average global temperature is approximately 0.01 degrees F (about 0.02 degrees C) warmer when the moon is full than when it's new (between the Sun and the Earth). The moon hence has very little influence of the climate and the distance between earth and moon hence even less."

Agreed. The moon affects the earth in a huge way, gravitationally ( tides being no small phenomenon), but no obvious affect on weather from this closest celestial body. The phases of the moon may affect plant and animal physiology (menses and seed-sprouting come to mind), this perhaps having to do with photo-sensitivity to moonlight.

The sun's constant bombardment of earth with photons and other radioactive particles (combined of course with earth orbit, earth axis and spin, etc) produces the gross weather factors. (Daytime heating, evaporation and cooling, pressure gradients, seasons). All the other phenomena are affected by these.

[Michele]

That it is not a cause-effect relationship. If I tell you the last time I saw some person, a terrible accident happened, does not mean automatically that person caused the accident. Similarly, it was in no way suggested that Sedna was responsible for the ice age since the last time it came close was during the ice age.

No, only the orbit of the earth around the sun has a small influence on the weather as the orbit is more or less constant apart from a few percent. Satellite measurements of the lower troposphere have revealed that the Earth's average global temperature is approximately 0.01 degrees F (about 0.02 degrees C) warmer when the moon is full than when it's new (between the Sun and the Earth). The moon hence has very little influence of the climate and the distance between earth and moon hence even less.

More info. (http://www.gsfc.nasa.gov/gsfc/educ/science/1998/04-06-98.htm)


Thanks simon...

I hope you understand I am not arguing with you. I had never heard about the anunnaki till very recently and I had no Idea it was a legend that overlapped with what people I guess are calling the UFO looney's.

I think I am mixing up the science with some of what I had heard of the anunnaki legend itself and it was from the legend... (that someone told me) that I heard about this oblong orbit of this so named tenth planet having an affect on weather. Interestingly, well.... there were a number of things that intriqued me about the legend itself (as I said i didn't not equate it with UFO people, although I see that it is), and I happened to be told the story, just after I had heard about the siting of Sedna. I really don't know much about the since of space and the solar system and I guess neither does the news as they did report it as a 10th planent... of course now I see that what makes a planet a planet is an ongoing discussion and such.

Anyway, I think if one goes back to the sumerians, one has to read enough as well to grasp what is really known about their texts...

All in all, this was all very interesting. Regardless of all the fine points, or the UFO part of the story and such, it is still very interesting that reference to a 10th planet was made so long ago. However, there seems (as is to be expected) even argument about the sumerian texts.

I think it is kind of funny in a way... there are all these miraculous things that one has to contend with in Christian scripture... well even the old testament... the creation of eden.... the hundreds of years people lived... the immaculate conceptions... it all defies science you know.... yet people believe it....

from one perspective I don't see how that is any less looney... than the anunnaki legend with regard to the return of these extraterrestrial... both require, as Mahayana stated early on in this thread, a suspension of believe.

Just simply... supposedly the anunnaki talked of 10 planets 6000 years ago well before Old World Europe decided for some time that the world was flat... and only now it seems comes this additional body that may or may not be a planet ... but its orbit is similar to how the legend describes it...

I am not sure what I am saying... but that it is all very interesting... and while the astronomy is just as fasicinating as the legend... It is also important for me to understand what really is known about the legend and the sumerian texts rather than how they have been embellished.

Therefore, I have decided there are so many books on my book list... I am going to hold off on reading the Twelfth Planet and instead focus on other materials regarding the sumerian civilization for some of the dryer facts that may or may not be known.

[Michele]

"Are you saying that bodily orbits have no causal correlation with weather patterns at all? "

Michele, the only two celestial bodies that affect Earth directly are the Moon and the Sun. The other stuff, planets aligning, influences of Mars and Venus, etc is astrology. Weather is little understood, the changing currents in the various layers of the atmosphere, changes in ocean temperature, what causes ice ages; even scientific predictions are notoriously unreliable, where weather is concerned.

yes I had considered that for in astrology people are always talking about the affect of mercury retrograde and such... I just thing all in all it is very interesting. With regard to what you say... you know how sciences are... they make their statements only to have us find years later they are redacting their own interpretations... it is exact perhaps but not always definitive... It is a vast universe... there is much we still don't know for sure...

I just find it interesting that many of the same people that suspend belief when it comes to so much of what is said with regard to the bible... will adamantly draw the line with a legend such as the one I place here... I think it is all to be considered and then reconsidered... for it encompasses all the mysteries of the universe...

not that I am protesting what the astronomical community knows or what guides them...I am not... it is all somewhat fascinating.