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Agnostic
11-22-2003, 11:56 AM
13 churches torched by Islamic militants in Nigeria
November 21, 2003

Lagos - Islamic militants burnt to the ground 13 churches and several houses in a remote northern Nigerian town after a Christian student was accused of blasphemy.

Irate youths torched churches, houses and shops late on Tuesday in Kazaure, some 80km north of Kano, a northern provincial capital where hundreds have died in religious clashes in the past three years.

The dispute began when a Christian student was accused of insulting the Prophet Mohammad and a group of Muslims were not satisfied with the response of school authorities.

Police in Jigawa state, said the rioters attempted to invade the school but were repelled by police.

"The hoodlums then mob-ilised and went into town, where they started looting and burning people's property," said Keirian Dudari, assistant inspector general of police in Kano. "Thirteen churches were burnt and several houses and shops were torched, but there were no deaths."

The town was calm yesterday after reinforcements were deployed to quell the riots.

The violence came after three students were killed and more than 30 injured in fighting between Muslims and Christians at a university in northeastern city of Maiduguri earlier this month.

More than 5 000 people have been killed in religious violence in northern Nigeria in the past four years since the introduction of Islamic sharia law in 12 states. - Reuters


If all religions were banned, the world would be a saner, safer place. (http://www.capetimes.co.za/index.php?fSectionId=272&fArticleId=290322)

DRMIZER
11-23-2003, 03:26 PM
I must agree!

Shamedog18
11-23-2003, 05:25 PM
Religion can be good in some cases, but it causes too much fighting and stunts the growth of civilization. My feeling is that we could've been where we are now a thousand years ago if religion (or maybe not religion, but the people who abuse and misinterpret religion) wasn't around.

I don't think we should erase religion from this earth necessarily, but I wish people would take it more moderately.

Agnostic
11-23-2003, 11:12 PM
Religion needs to be consigned to the dustbin of history where it belongs.

:angel:

BRIT
11-30-2003, 04:02 PM
AGNOSTIC FROM INDIA

Would you call hinduhism a peacful religion when they in the recent riots killed thousands of muslims.

Tore down a mosque because they believe a temple relating to hinduhism was there, which in act the archeologist found out to be false.

Don't blame a faith for what a minority of ignorant, ill educated ppl do and dont generalise next time!

Chiasmus
11-30-2003, 09:51 PM
You cannot blame the religion for what the people do. Lots of bad things are done in the name of religion; lots of bad things are done in the name of personal finance. Should we get rid of money?

Religion almost always is a wonderful thing.

"Let the one who has no sins cast the first stone."

Agnostic
11-30-2003, 11:48 PM
Brit,
Hinduism is the worst of them all.

:angel:

Duo_Maxwell
12-01-2003, 01:32 AM
because there have been relatively few atrocities commited in its name?

It's not liek Islam or Christianity. I don't think we could list the # of atroicites in their names if we had a whole month.

Why is hinduism the worst?

Is buddism the 2nd worst?

Agnostic
12-01-2003, 02:29 AM
"Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master" - Commissioner Pravin Lal, "U.N. Declaration of Rights

Hinduism does just that. A whole lot of people are barred from reading the Vedas. At least Islam gives every Muslim access to the Koran.:cool:

But we are digressing. Is Islam really a religion of peace?

Duo_Maxwell
12-01-2003, 02:52 AM
Hinduism does just that. A whole lot of people are barred from reading the Vedas. At least Islam gives every Muslim access to the Koran

Is that just in India or in general for all hindus? That's pretty disturbing now that you mention it.....:confused:
The possibilities for abuse are as wide as the ocean....yikes.

Is anything except Buddism a religion of peace? (GENERALLY)

Agnostic
12-02-2003, 08:12 AM
Duo_Maxwell,

Is anything except Buddism a religion of peace?

Not that I know of. Only Buddhism is nonviolent. And that is only theoretical.

Ask the Tamils of Sri Lanka how peaceful the Buddhists are.

All religion is trash. Fairy tales to pit man against man in the name of nonexistent gods, and worse, justification for illtreating women.

After all, god had only raw material to make Adam remember?

He had to kayo Adam and filch his rib in order to make Eve.

Or so they say...

Duo_Maxwell
12-02-2003, 08:56 PM
lol.

not to mention that the Japanese terrorists who released seryin gas into the subways were buddist....

But given the # of atrocities...i think buddism has the least under its belt...

but i'm still wondering, if denial of information to religious documents only in India for Hinduist?

altoidabuser
12-02-2003, 10:25 PM
You cannot blame the religion for what the people do. Lots of bad things are done in the name of religion; lots of bad things are done in the name of personal finance. Should we get rid of money?

I both agree and disagree with that statement. Religion has brought great ideas (love your neighboor as yourself), but it is because of religion that countless atrocities have, and are still being done.

Religion is easy to fight over. Religion is basically the way you live. Many religions vastly differ from each other. So you have people, not just hating people's personality traits or whatever, but we have people that hate they very way people live. And each side fighting "know" their religion is the right one. I think that is the main reason religion isn't one of the more peaceful things in the world.

Today though, Buddism doesn't seem to be very violent, as well as Christians today (I think). Christians of the past were certainly violent, but this day in age, Christians seem more peaceful. There may be some things I don't know about.

mahayana
12-07-2003, 09:36 AM
No religion that I know of is inherently violent, but man may be.

All major religions contain a version of the Golden Rule. In Islam it goes "No one of you is a believer until he desires for his brother that which he desires for himself."

In Judaism it is "What is hateful to you do not unto your fellow man. That is the entire Law: all the rest is commentary."

Buddhism and Hinduism consider killing to be sinful, not just murder.

And Jesus preached "love your enemy" not just "love your neighbor as yourself."

The Ten Commandments imply that people are prone to do all the forbidden things. The question is how to change human nature.

Stormyone
12-10-2003, 11:19 AM
At this time, there are a lot of Religious leaders of the group in question inciting violence against "non believers" around the world. As long as the followers of these people continue to do the terrible things they do, the so called "Religion of Peace" will be a lie.

Some of the leaders claim it is only a minority doing this. If that is so, why dont they police their own?

The truth is, they actually believe it themselves, but are afraid to go public. So they sit back and wait.


:eek: :eek:

mahayana
12-10-2003, 07:46 PM
Stormyone, if you are referring to militant Islamists, such as Bin Laden, you should realize that most Muslims (and their Religious Leaders), disapprove of this so-called jihad.

Islamists have a political agenda, but their behavior denies and shames their faith.

How well are Christian leaders doing at controlling their own members who kill in the name of "war on terror"?

NimNim
12-10-2003, 07:48 PM
Originally posted by BRIT

Don't blame a faith for what a minority of ignorant, ill educated ppl do and dont generalise next time!

I'm surprised to hear the words "faith", "ignorant", and "ill educated" used in such a manner where the latter two were not used to describe the first. I would contend that all who practice faith, are by definition, ignorant and ill educated.

Just my two cents.

mahayana
12-10-2003, 08:05 PM
So like John Lennon, you imagine "nothing to kill or die for...and no religion, too"?

NimNim
12-10-2003, 08:07 PM
Originally posted by mahayana
So like John Lennon, you imagine "nothing to kill or die for...and no religion, too"?

Rather... Plenty to die for, nothing to kill for, and no religion.

Stormyone
12-11-2003, 09:39 AM
Stormyone, if you are referring to militant Islamists, such as Bin Laden, you should realize that most Muslims (and their Religious Leaders), disapprove of this so-called jihad.

That is exactly what I was referring to. I didnt think it would be hard to figure it out.

The problem with "most Muslims and their Religious Leaders" is that they are not doing anything about it. A little whine here and there will not do the job. They have to loudly condemn the violence done in the name of their religion.

It appears to many that they are strangely silent and waiting for the winner to appear. That will not do

dritalin
12-11-2003, 03:06 PM
I can't remember, I heard this somewhere. Maybe you guys can remind me. In the name of what religion did the scurge of communism unite?

Oh, wait....

Blueangel
12-11-2003, 03:41 PM
Originally posted by dritalin
I can't remember, I heard this somewhere. Maybe you guys can remind me. In the name of what religion did the scurge of communism unite?

Oh, wait.... Well Russia is mainly Russian Orthodox (a form of Catholicism), there are many faiths in Eastern Europe including, Catholics, Lutherans, Moravians, Muslims, etc.
I'm unsure about the religious mix of China currently, if any.

And your point is? ;)

dritalin
12-11-2003, 03:49 PM
Well Russia is mainly Russian Orthodox (a form of Catholicism), there are many faiths in Eastern Europe including, Catholics, Lutherans, Moravians, Muslims, etc.

Oi, if it weren't for that wink I'd think you were serious.